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byQq
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1 Post
January 13 2011 15:05 GMT
#1721
Rox.kis.Brat_OK go! ^)
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
January 13 2011 15:07 GMT
#1722
Haha in gomtv creted it's own topic about who is going to korea and every single post is voting for bratok lol.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 13 2011 15:09 GMT
#1723
Soon enough Brat will have more votes than Huk :D
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SuicidalSCV
Profile Joined January 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 15:13:52
January 13 2011 15:13 GMT
#1724
Hey Nazgul, glad to see you)

Wanted to ask, if you had a chance to hang out with Bratok? Just wondering)

Thanks
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
January 13 2011 15:16 GMT
#1725
On January 14 2011 00:03 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 22:43 Tigi wrote:
On January 13 2011 21:25 Liquid`Ret wrote:
MY VOTE ARE FOR BRAT_OK

but no really i vote for myself, huk, and hayder. would suck if one of us who actually live here would have nothing to do for monthssssss cause we lose in qualifier (there's a lot of really good players in the qualifier, and me and haypro actually play zerg so yea.)

there's not a single tournament other than gsl, unless ur willing to wake up at 7 am and play in bad lag on us server keke

gg

If someone has the chance to qualy, but fails, why should he deserve a spot then ?


If someone doesn't even try to qualify, does that automatically make him better than the guy who attempted to qualify and failed?

I don't think so. If anything, it makes him even more of a wildcard. Why should he deserve the spot then?

Liquid guys have been there longest, Liquid is the most powerful foreign team (by some margin), their members in Korea live in a pro team house and it is veeeery unlikely any foreigner who hasn't even been to Korea yet or played a single game against their top players is more qualified to play in Code A than Ret, Huk and Haypro.


Its not they don't try to qualy, they don't have the chance. But if you have the chance to qualy just with your skill like the liquid guys why should they need a wild card? On the other hand people it would be more clever to give the spot to people that don't have the chance to qualy. For example HuK will probaly get a spot in prem, but Brat_OK could be the best player on the world, but as long as he doesn't have the money to go there he has no chance to qualy. (Obviously this is unrealistic cause he would find a sponsor to get him over there just see it theoretically).
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
nathangonmad
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom317 Posts
January 13 2011 15:17 GMT
#1726
Voting for Kiwikaki. I don't know how he feels about moving to korea but I deffantly think his play is good enough to compete in the GSL A rank (maybe even S rank)
Keep trying Leenock
xzipit
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1 Post
January 13 2011 15:20 GMT
#1727
My vote for Brat_OK!!
Yeah yeah yeah
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 15:28:08
January 13 2011 15:20 GMT
#1728
Ret, White-Ra, iNcontroL and Effka (as we need some ladies to compete in the GSL).
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
ReD-EyeD
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation32 Posts
January 13 2011 15:27 GMT
#1729
Brat_Ok is streaming right now if someone interested.
http://www.goodgame.ru/news.php?ocd=view&id=8418
Welcome to watch his games (TLO, WhiteRa, Satiini was his previous opponents).
escapeandpunish
Profile Joined May 2010
United States40 Posts
January 13 2011 15:29 GMT
#1730
Machine
sometimes your the hammer, sometimes your the nail...
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
January 13 2011 15:32 GMT
#1731
Would like to see Morrow
Always look on the bright side of life
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 13 2011 15:32 GMT
#1732
While I'm sure this popularity 'poll' means very little in the end, I think it's fine that the Russian community comes here to voice their opinion. After all, that this poll is taking place on TL.net makes it flawed by default, TL guys will get way more votes than they deserve just for being the homeboys (whether they do deserve a spot or not is another question), Incontrol will get votes for being funny at SotG etc.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 13 2011 15:34 GMT
#1733
On January 14 2011 00:16 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 00:03 Talin wrote:
On January 13 2011 22:43 Tigi wrote:
On January 13 2011 21:25 Liquid`Ret wrote:
MY VOTE ARE FOR BRAT_OK

but no really i vote for myself, huk, and hayder. would suck if one of us who actually live here would have nothing to do for monthssssss cause we lose in qualifier (there's a lot of really good players in the qualifier, and me and haypro actually play zerg so yea.)

there's not a single tournament other than gsl, unless ur willing to wake up at 7 am and play in bad lag on us server keke

gg

If someone has the chance to qualy, but fails, why should he deserve a spot then ?


If someone doesn't even try to qualify, does that automatically make him better than the guy who attempted to qualify and failed?

I don't think so. If anything, it makes him even more of a wildcard. Why should he deserve the spot then?

Liquid guys have been there longest, Liquid is the most powerful foreign team (by some margin), their members in Korea live in a pro team house and it is veeeery unlikely any foreigner who hasn't even been to Korea yet or played a single game against their top players is more qualified to play in Code A than Ret, Huk and Haypro.


Its not they don't try to qualy, they don't have the chance. But if you have the chance to qualy just with your skill like the liquid guys why should they need a wild card? On the other hand people it would be more clever to give the spot to people that don't have the chance to qualy. For example HuK will probaly get a spot in prem, but Brat_OK could be the best player on the world, but as long as he doesn't have the money to go there he has no chance to qualy. (Obviously this is unrealistic cause he would find a sponsor to get him over there just see it theoretically).


Theoretically idea is that players who appear to be "the best players in the world" will be picked up by foreign teams that have the ability to send them to Korea, and then sent to Korea. None of the Liquid players would have gone to Korea by now if they weren't in Liquid, and they wouldn't be picked up and then sent to Korea (which I presume costs a fuckload of money) if Liquid didn't believe they could play on that level. That's simply how things work. If you can't even attract the interest of top foreigner teams, or you aren't on a good enough team that is willing to invest into sending you to Korea, then there has got to be a reason for that.

In my opinion, the invites are there to ensure foreigner presence in the GSL as GOM believes (and rightly so) that it makes GSL more attractive to the foreign audience. Sure, the Liquid guys are already there and can qualify by skill via qualifiers, but qualifier games are always unpredictable. Even if you're generally good enough to go through, you can still lose to another good player and then you've got nothing to do for a month. Ret nearly lost in Code A qualifiers to (imho) inferior players because he was sick that day. Just because you're good enough doesn't mean you have to qualify. No foreigner could be confident enough to just storm through these qualifiers, and probably nobody would go through on their first try (or two) either.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
January 13 2011 15:42 GMT
#1734
Brat and White-Ra would be my ultimate choices... That would be sick.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
Dave.
Profile Joined August 2010
Ireland272 Posts
January 13 2011 15:49 GMT
#1735
Huk
Ret
Kiwikaki
Mana
#1 Ryung, Hasuobs, Machine, and Socke fan!
Alezz
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1 Post
January 13 2011 16:12 GMT
#1736
I vote for Brat_OK! It will be nice to see his games in the next season of GSL.
Try not! Do or do not. There is no try.
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
January 13 2011 16:18 GMT
#1737
IMO now:

Since Ret didn't make it into the ro16 of Code A, which does not guarantee a spot in Code A, he should get a spot there, along with Huk/Haypro/Select.
SC2 player for Flash eSports. twitch.tv/nether_drake, https://twitter.com/bryan_sum, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bryan-Drake-Sum/468389706519567
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
January 13 2011 16:41 GMT
#1738
Morrow ! He absolutely needs to be there imo .
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 17:14:29
January 13 2011 17:13 GMT
#1739
On January 14 2011 00:34 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 00:16 Tigi wrote:
On January 14 2011 00:03 Talin wrote:
On January 13 2011 22:43 Tigi wrote:
On January 13 2011 21:25 Liquid`Ret wrote:
MY VOTE ARE FOR BRAT_OK

but no really i vote for myself, huk, and hayder. would suck if one of us who actually live here would have nothing to do for monthssssss cause we lose in qualifier (there's a lot of really good players in the qualifier, and me and haypro actually play zerg so yea.)

there's not a single tournament other than gsl, unless ur willing to wake up at 7 am and play in bad lag on us server keke

gg

If someone has the chance to qualy, but fails, why should he deserve a spot then ?


If someone doesn't even try to qualify, does that automatically make him better than the guy who attempted to qualify and failed?

I don't think so. If anything, it makes him even more of a wildcard. Why should he deserve the spot then?

Liquid guys have been there longest, Liquid is the most powerful foreign team (by some margin), their members in Korea live in a pro team house and it is veeeery unlikely any foreigner who hasn't even been to Korea yet or played a single game against their top players is more qualified to play in Code A than Ret, Huk and Haypro.


Its not they don't try to qualy, they don't have the chance. But if you have the chance to qualy just with your skill like the liquid guys why should they need a wild card? On the other hand people it would be more clever to give the spot to people that don't have the chance to qualy. For example HuK will probaly get a spot in prem, but Brat_OK could be the best player on the world, but as long as he doesn't have the money to go there he has no chance to qualy. (Obviously this is unrealistic cause he would find a sponsor to get him over there just see it theoretically).


Theoretically idea is that players who appear to be "the best players in the world" will be picked up by foreign teams that have the ability to send them to Korea, and then sent to Korea. None of the Liquid players would have gone to Korea by now if they weren't in Liquid, and they wouldn't be picked up and then sent to Korea (which I presume costs a fuckload of money) if Liquid didn't believe they could play on that level. That's simply how things work. If you can't even attract the interest of top foreigner teams, or you aren't on a good enough team that is willing to invest into sending you to Korea, then there has got to be a reason for that.

In my opinion, the invites are there to ensure foreigner presence in the GSL as GOM believes (and rightly so) that it makes GSL more attractive to the foreign audience. Sure, the Liquid guys are already there and can qualify by skill via qualifiers, but qualifier games are always unpredictable. Even if you're generally good enough to go through, you can still lose to another good player and then you've got nothing to do for a month. Ret nearly lost in Code A qualifiers to (imho) inferior players because he was sick that day. Just because you're good enough doesn't mean you have to qualify. No foreigner could be confident enough to just storm through these qualifiers, and probably nobody would go through on their first try (or two) either.

Finding a team isn't about pure skills but also about popularity within the community. This is for example why ROX would prefer Brat_OK over a better player from Europe (lets say Jinro) if they had the choice. They are a russian sponsor, so they have to care about the popularity within the russian community (where Brat_OK is extrem popular as we have seen). So Liquid also did the same with their guys. They would barely recruit a Eastern europe/Chinese/Sea player who barely has anything to do with the community here on TL and might even have language barrer or visum problems or whatever.
You are talking about top foreign teams ? Afaik only Liquid (and soon eg) offers their player a opputurity to go Korea and live there. Obviously Rox is a top foreing team too.

Edit: Actually this thread doesn't really make sense since you wouldn't know who would accept an invitation.
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
urdak
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany89 Posts
January 13 2011 17:30 GMT
#1740
well.. Ret is already there and he obviously would. Same with Huk. BratOK said he would. not sure about the other guys.
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