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scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 04:57:05
December 17 2010 04:54 GMT
#61
On December 17 2010 12:51 OlorinPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 23:22 SugarBear wrote:
Thanks for this guide. Anything to get off of buggy crap procaster is welcome.


I don't think procaster is too bad. I've tried everything out there I can find and I'm still sticking to procaster. First my specs:

CPU: intel i7-875K 3.0 GHz (quad core)
GPU: Radeon HD 5870
RAM: 8 GB
OS: Win 7

So I've tried...

1)Procaster: IMO the only downside is livestream's absurdly low limit on upload at 500 kbps. Procaster itself is great. Can play in fullscreen mode and there is absolutely no effect on gameplay. FPS is maybe down to 70 from 80 and with the right settings the stream looks okay. Only downside is that your limited on options. But for what it is it runs and works great.

2)Xsplit: First off it is a nice piece of software. Great options and quality is good on ustream and owe3d.tv where upload is unlimited. My problem with it is twofold...first have to play in windowed mode. Not a big deal...still get 110 fps in windowed with settings dropped to high. Well...the game is laggy is hell with xsplit running. Fps drops to 60 according to FRAPS, but feels and looks like 20. Units respond a full second after I give them a command. This makes it a bust for me.

3)VHScrCap and adobe FLME: Again, great software, great options, good quality streams....but again, I can't play in fullscreen mode and it lags the crap out of starcraft just the same as Xsplit.

Personally, I really would like to use VHScrCap + FLME. If anyone has any idea why trying to stream starcraft using this software lags really bad please let me know. I mean my computer should easily handle it. And I've tried everything. Limiting the stream quality to the lowest possible, turning all the graphics options in SC to low. Still get the exact same lag and the exact same low fps. Again...if anyone knows what might be causing this I'd be very grateful.


For VHScrCap, you need to make sure your settings match. In the VSC config, set the capture tab to your screens resolution. In the settings tab, choose 20 fps, tick align video and show mouse and untick everything else.

In FME, set the video size to your screen resolution. Set the bitrate to 60-80% of your total upload speed. So if you have 1MBps upload speed, use 600 to 800kbps bitrate, test which works best. Set the framerate to 20. Now the important one: set the output resolution very low at first. Try 854x480 if you have a 16 : 9 monitor. Then test the stream. Look at the status page in FME and see what FPS you're getting. If you're getting 19-20fps constantly on the stream, you can increase the output size. Keep increasing the output size until your game starts lagging, then back it off a bit.

My CPU personally cannot handle higher than 854x480, but a 480p stream looks pretty good. Although, I have to change my monitors resolution to 1280x720 and set VSC/FME to 720p too, then output 480p. This works great for me - the quality is decent (at 900kbps bitrate) and I can't even feel it in game.

If you're using FME 3.1 (which I don't recommend, no matter what settings I use in 3.1 I can feel it lag in game - FME 2.5 works much much better) you can use the auto adjust option too so your quality degrades instead of dropping frames. Personally it doesn't help me but it's worth mentioning. You can also assign different applications different cores. I assign SC2 core 0 and 1, FME cores 2 and 3 and set the priority of FME to high. Like I said, this gives me a solid in game fps and I can't really notice the stream being on.

So yeah, the key is to get the output size correct. Start off low and gradually increase the resolution until you start to lag. I also recommend turning off Aero in Windows 7 - right click the desktop, go to personalize and choose Windows Basic. Should help scrape a few fps in game.
OlorinPA
Profile Joined December 2010
28 Posts
December 17 2010 05:10 GMT
#62
On December 17 2010 13:54 scottyyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 12:51 OlorinPA wrote:
On December 16 2010 23:22 SugarBear wrote:
Thanks for this guide. Anything to get off of buggy crap procaster is welcome.


I don't think procaster is too bad. I've tried everything out there I can find and I'm still sticking to procaster. First my specs:

CPU: intel i7-875K 3.0 GHz (quad core)
GPU: Radeon HD 5870
RAM: 8 GB
OS: Win 7

So I've tried...

1)Procaster: IMO the only downside is livestream's absurdly low limit on upload at 500 kbps. Procaster itself is great. Can play in fullscreen mode and there is absolutely no effect on gameplay. FPS is maybe down to 70 from 80 and with the right settings the stream looks okay. Only downside is that your limited on options. But for what it is it runs and works great.

2)Xsplit: First off it is a nice piece of software. Great options and quality is good on ustream and owe3d.tv where upload is unlimited. My problem with it is twofold...first have to play in windowed mode. Not a big deal...still get 110 fps in windowed with settings dropped to high. Well...the game is laggy is hell with xsplit running. Fps drops to 60 according to FRAPS, but feels and looks like 20. Units respond a full second after I give them a command. This makes it a bust for me.

3)VHScrCap and adobe FLME: Again, great software, great options, good quality streams....but again, I can't play in fullscreen mode and it lags the crap out of starcraft just the same as Xsplit.

Personally, I really would like to use VHScrCap + FLME. If anyone has any idea why trying to stream starcraft using this software lags really bad please let me know. I mean my computer should easily handle it. And I've tried everything. Limiting the stream quality to the lowest possible, turning all the graphics options in SC to low. Still get the exact same lag and the exact same low fps. Again...if anyone knows what might be causing this I'd be very grateful.


For VHScrCap, you need to make sure your settings match. In the VSC config, set the capture tab to your screens resolution. In the settings tab, choose 20 fps, tick align video and show mouse and untick everything else.

In FME, set the video size to your screen resolution. Set the bitrate to 60-80% of your total upload speed. So if you have 1MBps upload speed, use 600 to 800kbps bitrate, test which works best. Set the framerate to 20. Now the important one: set the output resolution very low at first. Try 854x480 if you have a 16 : 9 monitor. Then test the stream. Look at the status page in FME and see what FPS you're getting. If you're getting 19-20fps constantly on the stream, you can increase the output size. Keep increasing the output size until your game starts lagging, then back it off a bit.

My CPU personally cannot handle higher than 854x480, but a 480p stream looks pretty good. Although, I have to change my monitors resolution to 1280x720 and set VSC/FME to 720p too, then output 480p. This works great for me - the quality is decent (at 900kbps bitrate) and I can't even feel it in game.

If you're using FME 3.1 (which I don't recommend, no matter what settings I use in 3.1 I can feel it lag in game - FME 2.5 works much much better) you can use the auto adjust option too so your quality degrades instead of dropping frames. Personally it doesn't help me but it's worth mentioning. You can also assign different applications different cores. I assign SC2 core 0 and 1, FME cores 2 and 3 and set the priority of FME to high. Like I said, this gives me a solid in game fps and I can't really notice the stream being on.

So yeah, the key is to get the output size correct. Start off low and gradually increase the resolution until you start to lag. I also recommend turning off Aero in Windows 7 - right click the desktop, go to personalize and choose Windows Basic. Should help scrape a few fps in game.



Oh, thanks a lot for that. I may just have to try FME 2.5 and see if it is any better. It gives me hope that you experienced lag with 3.1 but not 2.5. The rest of that I understand...I'm just trying to figure out why using FME + VHScrCap or xsplit lag the heck out starcraft ingame...to where it is unplayable, but procaster works just fine.
scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
December 17 2010 13:06 GMT
#63
On December 17 2010 14:10 OlorinPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 13:54 scottyyy wrote:
On December 17 2010 12:51 OlorinPA wrote:
On December 16 2010 23:22 SugarBear wrote:
Thanks for this guide. Anything to get off of buggy crap procaster is welcome.


I don't think procaster is too bad. I've tried everything out there I can find and I'm still sticking to procaster. First my specs:

CPU: intel i7-875K 3.0 GHz (quad core)
GPU: Radeon HD 5870
RAM: 8 GB
OS: Win 7

So I've tried...

1)Procaster: IMO the only downside is livestream's absurdly low limit on upload at 500 kbps. Procaster itself is great. Can play in fullscreen mode and there is absolutely no effect on gameplay. FPS is maybe down to 70 from 80 and with the right settings the stream looks okay. Only downside is that your limited on options. But for what it is it runs and works great.

2)Xsplit: First off it is a nice piece of software. Great options and quality is good on ustream and owe3d.tv where upload is unlimited. My problem with it is twofold...first have to play in windowed mode. Not a big deal...still get 110 fps in windowed with settings dropped to high. Well...the game is laggy is hell with xsplit running. Fps drops to 60 according to FRAPS, but feels and looks like 20. Units respond a full second after I give them a command. This makes it a bust for me.

3)VHScrCap and adobe FLME: Again, great software, great options, good quality streams....but again, I can't play in fullscreen mode and it lags the crap out of starcraft just the same as Xsplit.

Personally, I really would like to use VHScrCap + FLME. If anyone has any idea why trying to stream starcraft using this software lags really bad please let me know. I mean my computer should easily handle it. And I've tried everything. Limiting the stream quality to the lowest possible, turning all the graphics options in SC to low. Still get the exact same lag and the exact same low fps. Again...if anyone knows what might be causing this I'd be very grateful.


For VHScrCap, you need to make sure your settings match. In the VSC config, set the capture tab to your screens resolution. In the settings tab, choose 20 fps, tick align video and show mouse and untick everything else.

In FME, set the video size to your screen resolution. Set the bitrate to 60-80% of your total upload speed. So if you have 1MBps upload speed, use 600 to 800kbps bitrate, test which works best. Set the framerate to 20. Now the important one: set the output resolution very low at first. Try 854x480 if you have a 16 : 9 monitor. Then test the stream. Look at the status page in FME and see what FPS you're getting. If you're getting 19-20fps constantly on the stream, you can increase the output size. Keep increasing the output size until your game starts lagging, then back it off a bit.

My CPU personally cannot handle higher than 854x480, but a 480p stream looks pretty good. Although, I have to change my monitors resolution to 1280x720 and set VSC/FME to 720p too, then output 480p. This works great for me - the quality is decent (at 900kbps bitrate) and I can't even feel it in game.

If you're using FME 3.1 (which I don't recommend, no matter what settings I use in 3.1 I can feel it lag in game - FME 2.5 works much much better) you can use the auto adjust option too so your quality degrades instead of dropping frames. Personally it doesn't help me but it's worth mentioning. You can also assign different applications different cores. I assign SC2 core 0 and 1, FME cores 2 and 3 and set the priority of FME to high. Like I said, this gives me a solid in game fps and I can't really notice the stream being on.

So yeah, the key is to get the output size correct. Start off low and gradually increase the resolution until you start to lag. I also recommend turning off Aero in Windows 7 - right click the desktop, go to personalize and choose Windows Basic. Should help scrape a few fps in game.



Oh, thanks a lot for that. I may just have to try FME 2.5 and see if it is any better. It gives me hope that you experienced lag with 3.1 but not 2.5. The rest of that I understand...I'm just trying to figure out why using FME + VHScrCap or xsplit lag the heck out starcraft ingame...to where it is unplayable, but procaster works just fine.


It just means you haven't got your settings right.
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
December 17 2010 13:19 GMT
#64
wow thanks for this info! <3 i will def use it! woah!
i really hated livestream quality. But i guess u can make it better by doing this!
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
Genzo
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark207 Posts
December 17 2010 14:44 GMT
#65
I had some serious problems using X-split but thanks to the guide on forsti's page i finally got the settings lowered and have no problems streaming
cXm0d
Profile Joined May 2010
United States93 Posts
December 17 2010 17:17 GMT
#66
Sadly I'm not reading this entire thread to find out if someone had the same issue as me.

I have a 1600x900 res, and when I tried to use xsplit, it would just make my screen really tiny, and stretched it out. Any solution to this? I'd like to stream my whole screen, while playing LoL, and with procaster, I can't seem to use windowed mode streaming without a bit of lag (And not being able to alt tab)

Any suggestions? I feel like I followed the guide fairly perfectly.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 07:32:28
January 05 2011 06:53 GMT
#67
hopefully this isn't a problem but I heard about this from a friend and my upload speed being .53 and blows said I could get better quality without lagging. I got it to work on ustream/justin.tv but can't livestream hmm.

When I try streaming it says it is, I test it and its just infinitely looping or whatever as if its gonna load but never does any help would be appreciated!

www.livestream.com/blade555
When I think of something else, something will go here
SugarBear
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States842 Posts
January 05 2011 17:49 GMT
#68
On December 11 2010 13:51 ProHellZerg wrote:
For RTMP URL, you type yours in the following format:

rtmp://publish.livestream.com/mogulus/[your livestream channel name]/username=[your livestream username]/password=[your password]/isAutoLive=true/aspectWidth=16/aspectHeight=9

NOTE: RTMP URL is case-sensitive. Please make sure that you type your info right with correct upper and lower case letters.


Just wanted to add that passing username and password data in cleartext as part of a URL is a VERY VERY poor security practice. I would not use this program if you use the same username/account for any other service (email, bank accounts, school sites, etc.). I would also make sure you don't mind having your stream account hacked if you use this.
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Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 16:52:43
January 14 2011 16:49 GMT
#69
EDIT: never mind, I´m dumb
I
Joroth
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States318 Posts
January 14 2011 16:56 GMT
#70
Awesome ty so much you have no idea how much i hate bad quality streams :D
"you have buildings that are better than my race go fuck yourself" -IdrA
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
January 14 2011 17:04 GMT
#71
This is working very well, a lot better than it did with Procaster! Thank you.
I
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
January 30 2011 17:54 GMT
#72
Everything works except when I stream I get a huge green screen and it is all static. Any solutions?
-HellZerg-
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 19:16:59
January 30 2011 19:10 GMT
#73
On January 31 2011 02:54 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Everything works except when I stream I get a huge green screen and it is all static. Any solutions?


Check out the following threads and hopefully these solve your problem:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188198

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177265
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-01 23:34:45
February 01 2011 23:08 GMT
#74
All right so I know there is no known solution but whenever I try using xsplit my fps in game drops to 20 and just lags.

Just having the program running and my in game fps drops between 20-30 when not having it stream. Dunno has anybody found any solutions to this yet?

computer specs:
Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit
4 gigs of DDR2 Ram
Intel quad core 2.66 ghz Q8400
gtx 260 16 core superclocked
When I think of something else, something will go here
datderecelltech
Profile Joined February 2011
6 Posts
February 02 2011 04:48 GMT
#75
On February 02 2011 08:08 blade55555 wrote:
All right so I know there is no known solution but whenever I try using xsplit my fps in game drops to 20 and just lags.

Just having the program running and my in game fps drops between 20-30 when not having it stream. Dunno has anybody found any solutions to this yet?

computer specs:
Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit
4 gigs of DDR2 Ram
Intel quad core 2.66 ghz Q8400
gtx 260 16 core superclocked


same. somethings fucked up with xsplit making you have so low fps in game. my hardware is more than capable. someone find out how to fix this
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
February 02 2011 05:39 GMT
#76
Whenever I have xsplit open my mouse cursor goes crazy like it keep blinking or something.
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