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Does the 2v2 ranking take your 1v1 into account?

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Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 28 2010 01:32 GMT
#1
So me and a friend of mine is running 2v2 I'm diamond and she is very low bronze. We pretty much use the games as an excuse to do something while we chat. So it's pretty much 2v1, and I can handle myself in two versus one if I'm up against new enough players. So I figured we would at least win a few games. We've now played around 30 games and won 2. We are ranked 95 in our bronze league and should be pitted against similar players, but we're not.

I've checked the last 20 matches, not a single match have we met someone under gold and in the majority (13) we've met Platinum teams. So does me being Diamond force our team to face better players even if our team score is useless? Do I really have to get a new account just so I could let her win a few times? : /
Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
November 28 2010 01:34 GMT
#2
The guys at Blizzcon who were taking questions about the development or something, said that they do not.
HeyitsClay
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada336 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 01:36:34
November 28 2010 01:36 GMT
#3
Yeah im 2000pts diamond 1x1

when i try and play some fun games with my noob friends that are like silver or worse, EVERY game we are put vs mid level Diamond players every single game no matter how many losses we suffer even tho we are in a Silver Div

somewhat retarded,

I think this was a recent change just before the end of beta or something
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
November 28 2010 01:38 GMT
#4
I play 2v2's with a bronze league 1v1 friend of mine and we used to get TONS of people in bronze/silver when we started. He just cannon rushed (and usually failed hardcore) and I would 2v1 them with speedlings basically to win. That stopped happening though because eventually we got to plat/diamond level players (even though we had been in diamond 2v2 the whole time) and I made him play legit lol.

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Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
November 28 2010 01:44 GMT
#5
i also believe there is something fishy going on with mixing all the 1v1 and team ratings. some things just cant be explained otherwise
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 28 2010 01:48 GMT
#6
On November 28 2010 10:44 Lucius2 wrote:
i also believe there is something fishy going on with mixing all the 1v1 and team ratings. some things just cant be explained otherwise

I feel the same it makes no sense to put a team that's 2 - 28 Bronze vs a 60 - 40 platinum team.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
November 28 2010 01:51 GMT
#7
I definitely think your 1v1 mixes with other leagues.. For example, I was 1800 and was getting pretty decent players in FFA, while my friend who has more FFA wins than me by like 100, was still getting horrible opponents because hes only like 300 diamond 1v1..

Clearly the FFA MMR is based largely on your 1v1 MMR to match you, because if you search for FFA's and your 1v1 is low, you get easy opponents, but if your 1v1 is higher, you match vs high 1v1ers in FFA too. Im assuming 2v2/etc is the same.
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Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
November 28 2010 01:57 GMT
#8
1v1 mmr doesn't affect 2v2 or 3v3, if it's the same system as WoW arena. Holds true from my experiences as well.
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 02:04:28
November 28 2010 02:03 GMT
#9
I was wondering about this myself. I'm Platinum 2v2 with a Gold 1v1 player, and our games are for the most part pretty evenly matched. But when I play with my Bronze or high Diamond friends, it's.. pitiful. Either I 2v1 or we both get crushed.

I'm pretty positive your 1v1 stats come into play in team games, because it sure feels like it.
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Krasso
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark74 Posts
November 28 2010 02:15 GMT
#10
On November 28 2010 10:34 Kolvacs wrote:
The guys at Blizzcon who were taking questions about the development or something, said that they do not.

This.

Search "Secrets of the master blizzcon 2010" on youtube for prove.

End of discussion
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MichaelJLowell
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States610 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 02:21:51
November 28 2010 02:21 GMT
#11
It doesn't and it shouldn't. Anyone who played Warcraft III and matched against the 60-5 solo player with an 0-30 random team record knows why linked ratings are a bad idea.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
November 28 2010 02:25 GMT
#12
On November 28 2010 10:34 Kolvacs wrote:
The guys at Blizzcon who were taking questions about the development or something, said that they do not.


Ssssssort of. When you make a new team, it uses your performance in other teams and brackets as a starting point. After that point, though, then your teams are completely separate.

Now, as far as whether that means it starts at the highest ranked player's skill level, or the average of all the members' highest team, or the average of the brackets of each player, that's not known.
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Tonyoh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France218 Posts
November 28 2010 02:31 GMT
#13
that makes me think, what are the best ways to win with a BIG noob as ally ?
I play with my cousin who sucks hard =) and play terran. very passive style (like all the platinum players) and reactivity not enough fast.

A nice one, as terran, is taking gold expo with PF + turrets.
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
November 28 2010 02:33 GMT
#14
I FEEL like it does... I dont pay 1v1 that much but im a low diamond ~500 points. But I ALWAYS get matched up with 1200+ sometimes 1800, and it always says even match...

I play 2s,3s,4s pretty heavily with friends and im mid to high diamond for those rankings so it definitely feels like its affecting it...
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
November 28 2010 02:35 GMT
#15
why would it, 2v2 is a completly different game from 1v1.
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
November 28 2010 02:38 GMT
#16
I FEEL like it does... I dont pay 1v1 that much but im a low diamond ~500 points. But I ALWAYS get matched up with 1200+ sometimes 1800, and it always says even match...

I play 2s,3s,4s pretty heavily with friends and im mid to high diamond for those rankings so it definitely feels like its affecting it...
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NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
November 28 2010 02:39 GMT
#17
On November 28 2010 11:25 Excalibur_Z wrote:
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On November 28 2010 10:34 Kolvacs wrote:
The guys at Blizzcon who were taking questions about the development or something, said that they do not.


Ssssssort of. When you make a new team, it uses your performance in other teams and brackets as a starting point. After that point, though, then your teams are completely separate.

Now, as far as whether that means it starts at the highest ranked player's skill level, or the average of all the members' highest team, or the average of the brackets of each player, that's not known.



Interesting, that basically explains this thread without having to call blizz straight out liars.

I have noticed that if i play in a "new team" in any league 2/3/4s even the first placement match is VS solid opponents. its happened for 3-4 placement match series. It also keeps placing us Vs good opponents even though we loose all/most of the placements. generally because im trying to win with mass landed viking or something similar.

Ether most of the people in this thread and myself consistently hit diamond lvl smurfs that have bought a new acc and are just laddering back up, or blizz has changed the way AMM works during placements, since beta.
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
November 28 2010 02:39 GMT
#18
I think they do affect your placement matches, but after your placement matches, the two rankings are completely separate.
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EonShiKeno
Profile Joined July 2010
United States122 Posts
November 28 2010 03:07 GMT
#19
It has to. I am like 2000 Diamond 1v1, when I play 2's with my friend who is like 800 Plat, we always play people who are bad in 1v1. When I play 2's with my friend who is 1700 diamond 1v1 we always play high rated 1v1 players. With each person I have over 60 2's games with so I can speak from lots of experience. I don't care what some dude from blizzard said. It couldn't be more obvious to me.
jaeds
Profile Joined September 2010
United States106 Posts
November 28 2010 03:21 GMT
#20
people aren't sure how MMR works. The main point of confusion is how much MMR raises and falls for wins and losses against people X amount of MMR higher or lower.

i think good questions would be:

Did you win any placement matches? What league were the people you beat in? What order did you play them and win or lose? If you lost, how far down did it place you at which game in your placement series? If you won, how far up did it place you at which game in your placement series?

MMR is very likely to change rapidly in the first 5 games, and then slow down its growth/decline considerably.
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