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On May 04 2018 23:38 Tamerlane wrote:That would be nice Pyro! I don't know enough about XML/coding in general to mess with the chrono boost transfer - probably would have copied what you did if I could find the file somewhere. I looked for other people hosting the XML you had done and only came up with dead links. It would also be nice to have real time instead, but: - That means changing hundreds of values
- The SC2 editor still uses values with pre-lotv time: I think it's better/simpler that we stick to those values and figure out the time conversion.
That said, I'm not sure at all that the time conversion value I entered is accurate, but I was able to replicate builds very closely when doing simple movements (building inside the main, no worker transfer of any kind, etc.). One thing I'd like to see or be able to input: worker mining distance. The mineral patches aren't the same on all maps (ie. distance from town hall) and it affects mineral income rate. Also: the simulations seem to start the mineral income from 0:00 which causes a systematic discrepancy because in reality they travel to mineral patches first and most are re-assigned. It might be just 2 seconds off in total, but this is a little annoying when trying to add very tight waypoints. It would also be nice to enter the worker transfer time as a setting, since it's different on different maps. Do you have an idea how to fix any of that?
I was about to send the file to you with the nexus changes, but I need to fix the mothership because it is no longer a unit that is morphed and thats harder than I thought.
Changing worker mining distance seems like something you have to change in the source code.
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@Pyromartian: would you happen to have finished the nexus changes you were talking about?
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Do any pro-gamers use this?
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Maybe some, but I doubt it's generalized. There seems to be very little variation of builds early in the game and I tried to replicate the exact production/waypoints over a 6-7min period with 2 different zerg builds and SCFusion had something largely different (and significantly faster as well).
My understanding is that it's usually better to answer early aggression and scouting information properly than try to stick to a build past 4min-4min30.
Also, there's a major flaw (or at least I haven't found how to do this) with SC Fusion for real game application: losses. As a zerg, I will rarely not lose anything within the first 5 min, so I will sometimes not need to make an overlord at the same time as SC Fusion and I will also often have to make more units or static defense rather than drones. That alone can make the rest of the SC Fusion simulation become worthless. It's not just delayed, it's the order in which things are done that will also be different (for example, I might not need as much gas compared to the build if I made 6-10 zerglings instead of drones).
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So yeah, I somehow forgot how to use this program.
I tried to run "Make" in power shell in hopes that a .exe would appear but failed.
I am using the github version, and tried to downloaded exe but after double clicking it nothing seems to happen.
Wanted to try to optimize a timing, can use my phone, but takes much longer lol
Thanks in advance for any reply.
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On June 02 2018 03:16 Kiaph wrote:
So yeah, I somehow forgot how to use this program.
I tried to run "Make" in power shell in hopes that a .exe would appear but failed.
I am using the github version, and tried to downloaded exe but after double clicking it nothing seems to happen.
Wanted to try to optimize a timing, can use my phone, but takes much longer lol
Thanks in advance for any reply.
The Github version is 1.18, the current version is 1.27 : https://sourceforge.net/projects/scfusion/files/?source=navbar
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I'd love to see that project being continued as the tool seems perfect to running some simulations 
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Hello,
A little late to the party, but I am in the process of updating this. About 90% complete. Here's what I have so far
For the Latest LOTV Patch 4.6.2
First thing I didn't quite like is the Build Calculator is using a multiplier of 1.38 to change the values to match the "faster" speed that SC2 has. To translate, A probe in normal speed takes 17 seconds to complete but in Faster mode takes only 12 seconds.
I have therefore removed the multiplier and reset all the values off the faster speed times for more accuracy.
My changes are to the last 1.27 SCFusion version and XML LOTV Version of 2_5_1
Protoss
Added Shield Battery
Removed Mothership Core
Changed Mothership to a unit requiring Nexus / Fleet Beacon
Corrected Nexus starting energy
Removed "Shield" upgrade (No idea what this was? Researched at Twilight Council)
Removed Tempest Energy
Removed Immortal Energy
Removed Carrier Energy
Corrected ALL Protoss Buildings, Units, Research times, costs and requirements.
Corrected Unit ability timings / cooldowns and energy costs
Adjusted Protoss Travel Times (still can be tweaked)
Terran
Removed Targeting Optics Research
Removed Surface to Air Targeting Research
Added Rapid Fire Launchers Research
Added Smart Servos Research
Separated "Vehicle and Ship Weapons" to "Vehicle Weapons" and "Ship Weapons" Research
Added High Capacity Fuel Tanks Research
Removed Caduceus Reactor Research
Removed Ignite Afterburners Research
Removed Behemoth Reactor Research
Corrected ALL Terran Buildings, Units, Research times, costs and requirements.
Corrected Unit ability timings / cooldowns and energy costs
Adjusted Terran Travel Times (still can be tweaked)
Removed Explosive Shrapnel Shells Research
Removed Cyclone Techlab requirement
Added Reactor Cyclone Ability from Factory
Zerg
Removed Hydralisk Upgrades from the Lurker Den
Removed Morph Hydralisk Den into Lurker Den
Added Lurker Den as separate building (requiring Hydralisk Den)
Added Grooved Spines at Hydralisk Den
Added Adaptive Talons at Lurker Den (requiring Hive)
Removed Ventral Sacs Upgrade
Added Ventral Sacs as an Overlord ability
Corrected ALL Zerg Buildings, Units, Research times, costs and requirements.
Corrected Unit ability timings / cooldowns and energy costs
Pending
Chronoboost mechanic is not correct at the moment, in progress, it seems to be all or nothing
Mule / Extra Supply mechanic, currently they're conflicting or it's not recognizing when to use the Mule properly
Energy Regen timings, trying to ensure this is accurate, but difficult when the mechanics aren't working, I will play around with this
Larvae spawn / respawn times - haven't had time to look at this, but the timings are wrong.
Someone give me somewhere to upload this for people to download, can't be bothered to set up something.
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Update
Fixed Chrono boost mechanic (I think!) Refining the energy regen and chrono boost rules
Removed the Initial Auto cast
Tidied up the XML code
Set Chrono boost duration to 20 seconds (was on indefinite)
I think there was an update in LOTV a couple years back where the DEVs went a little crazy and started looking at auto casting things like warpgate, queen injects, chrono boosts and it's unfortunate the latest SCFusion version we have was at that period.
I have referred to some older options for more stable energy mechanics and these seem to be tidying everything up. Should be able to get the Mule/Extra Supply mechanic fixed and resolve a few little more bugs.
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Great job, go on! I have used this in the past and would love to use it again if you are able to fix and update it.
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I'm looking forward to being able to use this again, I really am looking forward to seeing the finished product! Thank you for doing this adodd
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Removed due to issue with Time Conversion factor...
Back to the drawing board!
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Excellent project!
I have tried to set up an initial custom build. I have already read the suggestions in this thread to input a build order in a simple form, but every time I try it it gives me an error (something about not being able to understand the build I have pasted). I tried a simple one:
build SCV
Still nothing...
Could someone post an example that I could just paste to the initial custom build box just to check if it works?
It would be great if we could simply click edit/copy build order and then simply do ctrl+v in the initial custom build box.
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Wow, I am back after being gone for a few months.
Someone give me somewhere to upload this for people to download, can't be bothered to set up something.
We could use something like uploadfiles.io or if not I might be able to set up a google drive we people can upload the XML to a folder I set up....
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What is the status of this I haven't seen anything lately? Does anyone have the current XML file?
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On October 31 2018 23:27 adodd818024 wrote:
Removed due to issue with Time Conversion factor...
Back to the drawing board!
Please upload the xml file man...
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Excellent project it would be great if I could use it with the latest patch of SC2.
Could someone post a link to the latest XML ?
many thanks in advance
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so is the new version uploaded? would be great to use this again...
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EPT
