SCFusion - WoL, HotS & LotV Build Order Optimizer - Page 27

ssnseawolf

32 Posts

December 02 2010 12:11 GMT

#521

It seems there's a bug for the planetary fortress. When entering in Planetary Fortress: 1, leaving everything else at zero and the target time at default for the target destination (Waypoints not modified) on 7.2 it continually expands the build order, unable to solve.

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0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 11S - Build SCV
0:19.00: 73M 0G 0E 7/ 11S - Build SCV
0:36.00: 106M 0G 0E 8/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.00: 150M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Build SCV
1:37.49: 400M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build Command Center
1:46.42: 50M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build SCV
3:17.49: 628M 0G 0E 11/ 22S - Build SCV
3:17.49: 578M 0G 0E 12/ 22S - Build Refinery
3:17.49: 503M 0G 0E 12/ 22S - Build SCV
3:17.49: 453M 0G 0E 13/ 22S - Build Command Center
3:34.49: 153M 0G 0E 13/ 22S - Build SCV
3:34.49: 103M 0G 0E 14/ 22S - Build SCV
3:51.49: 187M 0G 0E 15/ 22S - Build SCV
3:51.49: 137M 0G 0E 16/ 22S - Build SCV
4:08.49: 253M 0G 0E 17/ 22S - Build SCV
4:08.49: 203M 0G 0E 18/ 22S - Build SCV
4:25.49: 340M 0G 0E 19/ 22S - Build SCV
4:25.49: 290M 0G 0E 20/ 22S - Build SCV
4:42.49: 453M 0G 0E 21/ 22S - Build SCV
4:42.49: 403M 0G 0E 22/ 22S - Build Command Center
4:57.49: 191M 0G 0E 22/ 33S - Build SCV
4:57.49: 141M 0G 0E 23/ 33S - Build SCV
4:57.49: 91M 0G 0E 24/ 33S - Move SCV To Gas
4:59.49: 117M 0G 0E 24/ 33S - Build SCV
5:14.49: 278M 10G 0E 25/ 33S - Build SCV
5:14.49: 228M 10G 0E 26/ 33S - Build SCV
5:16.49: 207M 11G 0E 27/ 33S - Build SCV
5:31.49: 398M 20G 0E 28/ 33S - Build SCV
5:31.49: 348M 20G 0E 29/ 33S - Build SCV
5:31.49: 298M 20G 0E 30/ 33S - Move SCV To Gas
5:37.64: 400M 27G 0E 30/ 33S - Build Command Center
5:40.74: 50M 31G 0E 30/ 33S - Build SCV
5:48.49: 125M 41G 0E 31/ 33S - Build SCV
5:48.49: 75M 41G 0E 32/ 33S - Build SCV
6:22.49: 681M 84G 0E 33/ 44S - Build SCV
6:22.49: 631M 84G 0E 34/ 44S - Build SCV
6:22.49: 581M 84G 0E 35/ 44S - Move SCV To Gas
6:22.49: 581M 84G 0E 35/ 44S - Build SCV
6:22.49: 531M 84G 0E 36/ 44S - Build Refinery
6:22.49: 456M 84G 0E 36/ 44S - Build Refinery
6:23.59: 400M 85G 0E 36/ 44S - Build Command Center
6:26.49: 50M 90G 0E 36/ 44S - Build SCV
6:30.69: 75M 98G 0E 37/ 44S - Build Refinery
6:39.49: 151M 115G 0E 37/ 44S - Build SCV
6:39.49: 101M 115G 0E 38/ 44S - Move SCV To Gas
6:39.49: 101M 115G 0E 38/ 44S - Move SCV To Gas
6:39.49: 101M 115G 0E 38/ 44S - Build Refinery
6:39.49: 26M 115G 0E 38/ 44S - Move SCV To Gas
6:41.16: 50M 118G 0E 38/ 44S - Build SCV
6:44.12: 50M 123G 0E 39/ 44S - Build SCV
6:46.97: 50M 129G 0E 40/ 44S - Build SCV
6:56.49: 173M 155G 0E 41/ 44S - Build SCV
6:58.16: 155M 161G 0E 42/ 44S - Build SCV
7:01.12: 163M 172G 0E 43/ 44S - Build SCV
7:14.07: 400M 221G 0E 44/ 44S - Build Command Center
7:17.64: 80M 235G 0E 44/ 55S - Build SCV
7:18.51: 50M 238G 0E 45/ 55S - Build SCV
7:21.62: 75M 250G 0E 46/ 55S - Build Refinery
7:23.75: 50M 258G 0E 46/ 55S - Build SCV
7:26.86: 75M 270G 0E 47/ 55S - Build Refinery
7:29.04: 50M 278G 0E 47/ 55S - Build SCV
7:29.04: 0M 278G 0E 48/ 55S - Move SCV To Gas
7:31.18: 50M 286G 0E 48/ 55S - Build SCV
7:34.64: 81M 302G 0E 49/ 55S - Build SCV
7:36.51: 75M 310G 0E 50/ 55S - Build Refinery
7:36.51: 0M 310G 0E 50/ 55S - Move SCV To Gas
7:39.79: 75M 325G 0E 50/ 55S - Build Refinery
7:43.13: 75M 342G 0E 50/ 55S - Build Refinery
7:43.13: 0M 342G 0E 50/ 55S - Move SCV To Gas
7:45.45: 50M 354G 0E 50/ 55S - Build SCV
7:47.70: 50M 367G 0E 51/ 55S - Build SCV
7:49.91: 50M 380G 0E 52/ 55S - Build SCV
7:52.04: 50M 392G 0E 53/ 55S - Build SCV
7:54.15: 50M 404G 0E 54/ 55S - Build SCV
8:03.59: 237M 458G 0E 55/ 66S - Build SCV
8:03.59: 187M 458G 0E 56/ 66S - Build SCV
8:04.70: 166M 464G 0E 57/ 66S - Build SCV
8:06.91: 175M 477G 0E 58/ 66S - Build SCV
8:09.04: 185M 489G 0E 59/ 66S - Build SCV
8:17.73: 400M 538G 0E 60/ 66S - Build Command Center
8:19.38: 50M 548G 0E 60/ 66S - Build SCV
8:21.03: 50M 557G 0E 61/ 66S - Build SCV
8:22.67: 50M 566G 0E 62/ 66S - Build SCV
8:24.24: 50M 575G 0E 63/ 66S - Build SCV
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:24.24: 0M 575G 0E 64/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:26.17: 50M 586G 0E 64/ 66S - Build SCV
8:26.17: 0M 586G 0E 65/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:26.17: 0M 586G 0E 65/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:28.16: 50M 609G 0E 65/ 66S - Build SCV
8:28.16: 0M 609G 0E 66/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:28.16: 0M 609G 0E 66/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:43.87: 400M 816G 0E 66/ 66S - Build Command Center
8:43.87: 0M 816G 0E 66/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:43.87: 0M 816G 0E 66/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:43.87: 0M 816G 0E 66/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:46.88: 75M 858G 0E 66/ 66S - Build Refinery
8:46.88: 0M 858G 0E 66/ 66S - Move SCV To Gas
8:54.07: 175M 967G 0E 66/ 77S - Build SCV
8:54.07: 125M 967G 0E 67/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
8:54.07: 125M 967G 0E 67/ 77S - Build Refinery
8:54.09: 50M 967G 0E 67/ 77S - Build SCV
8:57.29: 75M 1016G 0E 68/ 77S - Build Refinery
8:57.29: 0M 1016G 0E 68/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
8:57.29: 0M 1016G 0E 68/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
8:57.29: 0M 1016G 0E 68/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
8:59.63: 50M 1054G 0E 68/ 77S - Build SCV
8:59.63: 0M 1054G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:03.10: 75M 1114G 0E 69/ 77S - Build Refinery
9:06.74: 75M 1178G 0E 69/ 77S - Build Refinery
9:06.74: 0M 1178G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:10.74: 75M 1250G 0E 69/ 77S - Build Refinery
9:14.93: 75M 1326G 0E 69/ 77S - Build Refinery
9:14.93: 0M 1326G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:14.93: 0M 1326G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:14.93: 0M 1326G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:14.93: 0M 1326G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:37.86: 400M 1798G 0E 69/ 77S - Build Command Center
9:37.86: 0M 1798G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:37.86: 0M 1798G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:37.86: 0M 1798G 0E 69/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:40.80: 50M 1861G 0E 69/ 77S - Build SCV
9:43.66: 50M 1925G 0E 70/ 77S - Build SCV
9:43.66: 0M 1925G 0E 71/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:43.66: 0M 1925G 0E 71/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:43.66: 0M 1925G 0E 71/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:48.35: 75M 2035G 0E 71/ 77S - Build Refinery
9:48.35: 0M 2035G 0E 71/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:48.35: 0M 2035G 0E 71/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:48.35: 0M 2035G 0E 71/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:48.35: 0M 2035G 0E 71/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:48.35: 0M 2035G 0E 71/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
9:52.80: 50M 2147G 0E 71/ 77S - Build SCV
9:56.97: 50M 2257G 0E 72/ 77S - Build SCV
9:56.97: 0M 2257G 0E 73/ 77S - Move SCV To Gas
10:01.22: 50M 2371G 0E 73/ 88S - Build SCV
10:01.22: 0M 2371G 0E 74/ 88S - Move SCV To Gas
10:05.12: 50M 2478G 0E 74/ 88S - Build SCV
10:05.12: 0M 2478G 0E 75/ 88S - Move SCV To Gas
10:05.12: 0M 2478G 0E 75/ 88S - Move SCV To Gas
10:09.29: 50M 2596G 0E 75/ 88S - Build SCV
10:09.29: 0M 2596G 0E 76/ 88S - Move SCV To Gas
10:13.61: 50M 2720G 0E 76/ 88S - Build SCV
10:13.61: 0M 2720G 0E 77/ 88S - Move SCV To Gas
10:13.61: 0M 2720G 0E 77/ 88S - Move SCV To Gas
10:20.42: 75M 2923G 0E 77/ 88S - Build Refinery
10:24.82: 50M 3056G 0E 77/ 99S - Build SCV
10:24.82: 0M 3056G 0E 78/ 99S - Move SCV To Gas
10:30.96: 75M 3245G 0E 78/ 99S - Build Refinery
10:30.96: 0M 3245G 0E 78/ 99S - Move SCV To Gas
10:30.96: 0M 3245G 0E 78/ 99S - Move SCV To Gas
10:30.96: 0M 3245G 0E 78/ 99S - Move SCV To Gas
10:38.54: 75M 3487G 0E 78/ 99S - Build Refinery
10:46.59: 75M 3747G 0E 78/ 99S - Build Refinery
10:46.59: 0M 3747G 0E 78/ 99S - Move SCV To Gas
10:46.59: 0M 3747G 0E 78/ 99S - Move SCV To Gas
10:46.59: 0M 3747G 0E 78/ 99S - Move SCV To Gas
10:56.84: 75M 4093G 0E 78/ 99S - Build Refinery
10:56.84: 0M 4093G 0E 78/ 99S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 400M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Build Command Center
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
11:40.16: 0M 5586G 0E 78/110S - Move SCV To Gas
13:01.82: 50M 8682G 0E 78/110S - Build SCV
13:01.82: 0M 8682G 0E 79/110S - Move SCV To Gas
17:48.16: 400M 20581G 0E 79/121S - Build Command Center
23:13.32: 400M 34297G 0E 79/132S - Build Command Center

Waypoint 1 failed:
24:55.32: 65M 38617G 0E 79/143S
Income: 90M 2541G
Buildings: 13 Command Center 23 Refinery
Units: 79 SCV
Research:

I also tried entering in multiple CC's as well as an engineering bay to guide it along, but it seems to really, really dislike being forced to calculate cheesy PF rushes. Maybe it's for the best. Otherwise the Terran BO's seems really solid.

lowlypawn

United States241 Posts

December 02 2010 12:56 GMT

#522

Terran players rejoice!

Ok, I love how I can open up multiple tabs and compare different build orders. I opened up three tabs, a Terran, Zerg and Protoss to see what race can get to 50 workers first. Protoss wins (EDIT: actually Zerg won with enough time) BTW. I also like how the completion likelihood box changes color as it get closer to 100%, that's a nice touch.

Things I noticed:

It seems Terran does not know how to use mules? Mules could make a huge difference in finding new build orders. Maybe you could add a box called "scans available". Then people could enter say "2" and any energy above two scans that will automatically be used for mules. Enter 0 and ALL extra energy will be used on mules.

Another thing I would love to see would be a box where I can specify how many bases I can take. For example some maps it's not possible to take a 3rd base or maybe you want to try to focus on what can be done on only one or two bases. It get more complicated with Zerg because sometimes it's beneficial for Zerg to make a 3rd hatch even thou they only have 2 bases (two mineral patches)... Maybe the box should specify how many mineral patches instead of bases you can take. Usually it would be set at 2 (main and natural expansion) but it would also be interesting if you could specify one normal mineral patch and one gold mineral patch. Yea there is not a lot of maps you can do that on but there may be in the future, and it would be interesting to see exactly how much better the gold expansions are.

That's all I noticed so far Thanks for all your awesome work, your contribution to Starcraft 2 is immense. Once the expansions are out and the game is even more complicated this program will become even more invaluable.

Lightspeed

130 Posts

December 02 2010 14:23 GMT

#523

Awesome, finally the Terran module, much appreciated. It's already pulling off builds much faster than I though would be possible.

Couple things I noticed:

"Constant SCVs" does not seem to have any effect, atm workers will get cut nonetheless.
The program does not seem to be too fond of building orbitals, however will usually find a faster BO than before if you set a waypoint that includes an orbital to force it to build one.
The Battlecruiser/Fusion Core dependency does not seem to be correct, it will build a BC before FC

Thanks for all your efforts, great program overall.

Dionyseus

United States2068 Posts

December 02 2010 16:07 GMT

#524

Fastest to 10 marines? 10 rines in 4:16:
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0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 11S - Build SCV
0:19.00: 73M 0G 0E 7/ 11S - Build SCV
0:34.80: 100M 0G 0E 8/ 11S - Build Supply Depot
1:06.18: 150M 0G 0E 8/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
1:17.41: 50M 0G 0E 8/ 19S - Build SCV
1:46.40: 150M 0G 0E 9/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:06.18: 95M 0G 0E 9/ 19S - Build Marine
2:25.57: 150M 0G 0E 10/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:36.33: 50M 0G 0E 10/ 19S - Build Marine
2:46.43: 50M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build Marine
3:01.33: 80M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build Marine
3:11.43: 87M 0G 0E 13/ 19S - Build Marine
3:25.57: 116M 0G 0E 14/ 19S - Build Marine
3:26.33: 70M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build Marine
3:36.43: 81M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Marine
3:50.57: 121M 0G 0E 17/ 19S - Build Marine
3:51.33: 76M 0G 0E 18/ 19S - Build Marine

Waypoint 1 satisfied:
4:16.33: 185M 0G 0E 19/ 19S
Income: 381M 0G
Buildings: 1 Command Center 3 Barracks
Units: 9 SCV 10 Marine
Research:

bof 0.4 has it at 4:12, but it uses different timings. Build is practically identical:
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1 00:00:00 SCV 0 0 7/11 6 (6/0) 0
00:00:17 +1 SCV 71 0 7/11 7 (7/0) 0
2 SCV 21 0 8/11 7 (7/0) 0
00:00:34 +1 SCV 104 0 8/11 8 (8/0) 0
3 SupplyDepot 4 0 8/11 8 (7/0) 0
00:01:04 +1 SupplyDepot 151 0 8/19 8 (8/0) 0
4 Barracks 1 0 8/19 8 (7/0) 0
5 00:01:14 SCV 0 0 9/19 8 (7/0) 0
00:01:31 +1 SCV 84 0 9/19 9 (8/0) 0
6 00:01:43 Barracks 1 0 9/19 9 (7/0) 0
00:02:04 +1 Barracks 104 0 9/19 9 (8/0) 0
7 Marine 54 0 10/19 9 (8/0) 0
8 00:02:22 Barracks 4 0 10/19 9 (7/0) 0
00:02:29 +1 Marine 39 0 10/19 9 (7/0) 1
9 00:02:32 Marine 3 0 11/19 9 (7/0) 1
00:02:43 +1 Barracks 57 0 11/19 9 (8/0) 1
10 Marine 7 0 12/19 9 (8/0) 1
00:02:57 +1 Marine 86 0 12/19 9 (8/0) 2
11 Marine 36 0 13/19 9 (8/0) 2
00:03:08 +1 Marine 97 0 13/19 9 (8/0) 3
12 Marine 47 0 14/19 9 (8/0) 3
00:03:22 +1 Barracks 126 0 14/19 9 (9/0) 3
+1 Marine 126 0 14/19 9 (9/0) 4
13 Marine 76 0 15/19 9 (9/0) 4
14 Marine 26 0 16/19 9 (9/0) 4
00:03:33 +1 Marine 95 0 16/19 9 (9/0) 5
15 Marine 45 0 17/19 9 (9/0) 5
00:03:47 +1 Marine 133 0 17/19 9 (9/0) 6
+1 Marine 133 0 17/19 9 (9/0) 7
16 Marine 83 0 18/19 9 (9/0) 7
17 Marine 33 0 19/19 9 (9/0) 7
00:03:58 +1 Marine 102 0 19/19 9 (9/0) 8
00:04:12 +1 Marine 191 0 19/19 9 (9/0) 9
+1 Marine 191 0 19/19 9 (9/0) 10

Ncinerate

172 Posts

December 02 2010 17:07 GMT

#525

Since your going for an all-in marine build (fastest possible 10 marine), I'd say go with this build instead:

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0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 11S - Build SCV
0:19.00: 73M 0G 0E 7/ 11S - Build SCV
0:36.00: 106M 0G 0E 8/ 11S - Build SCV
0:44.10: 100M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Build Supply Depot
1:14.10: 158M 0G 0E 9/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
1:22.82: 50M 0G 0E 9/ 19S - Build SCV
1:39.82: 95M 0G 0E 10/ 19S - Build SCV
1:56.56: 150M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:14.10: 106M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build Marine
2:27.84: 150M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:39.10: 68M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build Marine
2:56.56: 129M 0G 0E 13/ 19S - Build Marine
3:04.10: 128M 0G 0E 14/ 19S - Build Marine
3:21.56: 202M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build Marine
3:21.56: 152M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Supply Depot
3:27.84: 88M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Marine
3:29.66: 50M 0G 0E 17/ 19S - Build Marine
3:46.56: 118M 0G 0E 18/ 19S - Build Marine
3:52.84: 112M 0G 0E 19/ 27S - Build Marine
3:54.66: 75M 0G 0E 20/ 27S - Build Marine
3:58.01: 50M 0G 0E 21/ 27S - Build SCV

Thats 10 marines and 12 SCV's at 4:19 according to this program. 3 extra seconds for 3 extra scv's

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Another thought - you could skip the last marine/scv, and upgrade the CC to an orbital as you move out with your SCV/marine force. Quick attack, lots of marines/scvs, and the mule can keep you in the game as long as you do damage. 9 rine+11 scv all-in rush @ at 4:08:

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0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 11S - Build SCV
0:19.00: 73M 0G 0E 7/ 11S - Build SCV
0:36.00: 106M 0G 0E 8/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.00: 150M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.03: 100M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build Supply Depot
1:10.00: 91M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build SCV
1:27.48: 150M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
1:49.34: 150M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:13.56: 150M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:27.48: 75M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build Marine
2:49.34: 160M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build Marine
2:52.48: 130M 0G 0E 13/ 19S - Build Marine
3:13.56: 228M 0G 0E 14/ 19S - Build Marine
3:13.56: 178M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build Supply Depot
3:14.34: 82M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build Marine
3:17.49: 50M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Marine
3:38.56: 148M 0G 0E 17/ 19S - Build Marine
3:39.34: 104M 0G 0E 18/ 19S - Build Marine
3:43.56: 83M 0G 0E 19/ 27S - Build Marine

Waypoint 1 satisfied:
4:08.56: 226M ENOUGH CASH FOR AN ORBITAL! - Wait a couple seconds and you'll also have enough cash for a single bunker during the attack. 0G 0E 20/ 27S
Income: 471M 0G
Buildings: 1 Command Center 3 Barracks
Units: 11 SCV 9 Marine

calculator

36 Posts

December 02 2010 19:27 GMT

#526

On December 02 2010 21:56 lowlypawn wrote:Thanks for all your awesome work, your contribution to Starcraft 2 is immense. Once the expansions are out and the game is even more complicated this program will become even more invaluable.

Jackpot. Carbon is in an extraordinary position IMO, if he makes the right moves he could be advancing his career while going down in scene history. What a genius move to make an app that calculates for all 3 races. I still think you need a bigger team and maybe a way to generate some income out of all of this, and an official website with forums. In any event, your efforts are incredible and respectable

CarbonTwelve

Australia525 Posts

December 02 2010 20:51 GMT

#527

Thanks for the bug reports & feedback guys, I'll try to get as many of these fixed up as soon as possible.

On December 03 2010 01:07 Dionyseus wrote:
Fastest to 10 marines? 10 rines in 4:16:
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bof 0.4 has it at 4:12, but it uses different timings. Build is practically identical:
+ Show Spoiler +

I'd say the main reason for the difference is that my app tries to account for what's humanly possible (you'll notice that my app has a starting delay of 2s included), as well as including travel times (I assume it takes 5s to travel from mining to where you're building the building, and then 5s to travel back to mining).

Fission

Canada1184 Posts

December 02 2010 20:52 GMT

#528

How do I indicate to the program that I want it to take an expansion?

Ncinerate

172 Posts

December 02 2010 20:55 GMT

#529

I'm still noticing a small difference in real-game timings from whats listed... It isn't off by much, I usually just add 5 seconds to whatever the end-result is and that gets me pretty much dead-on. I'm not really sure where those 5 seconds are coming from. My initial supply depot for example is laid down pretty much dead-on time, but things start to slow down a bit as I move into barracks etc and it adds up a bit. Perhaps it's due to quirky worker mechanics once a mineral field is fully in-use (occasionally running around instead of mining), I'm not certain.

CarbonTwelve

Australia525 Posts

December 02 2010 21:32 GMT

#530

On December 03 2010 05:52 Fission wrote:
How do I indicate to the program that I want it to take an expansion?

You can just specify 2 command centers and it will assume one of them is at an expansion.

On December 03 2010 05:55 Ncinerate wrote:
I'm still noticing a small difference in real-game timings from whats listed... It isn't off by much, I usually just add 5 seconds to whatever the end-result is and that gets me pretty much dead-on. I'm not really sure where those 5 seconds are coming from. My initial supply depot for example is laid down pretty much dead-on time, but things start to slow down a bit as I move into barracks etc and it adds up a bit. Perhaps it's due to quirky worker mechanics once a mineral field is fully in-use (occasionally running around instead of mining), I'm not certain.

Yeah, I find the same, and I suspect that you're right - it's probably from the workers moving around too much. Once again, something I need to do some extensive testing of to get accurate income rates.

CarbonTwelve

Australia525 Posts

December 02 2010 23:38 GMT

#531

Finally found a mod to get the title changed (thanks Jibba!)

JJJoeJabba

United States3 Posts

December 03 2010 01:00 GMT

#532

Thank you Carbon for all your hard work!!

I am very excited to see this done for my primary race. If it hasn't already been brought to your attention, I wanted to ask if you could take a look at the reactors to see if they are being built properly. I had a very large marine (70) with medivacs. {I know its rather silly}. But I noticed that none were used and I really thought that it would shorten the time if they were. If you have a chance to look at that, perhaps something could be improved.

Anyway, thanks again!!

CarbonTwelve

Australia525 Posts

December 03 2010 02:05 GMT

#533

On December 03 2010 10:00 JJJoeJabba wrote:
Thank you Carbon for all your hard work!!

I am very excited to see this done for my primary race. If it hasn't already been brought to your attention, I wanted to ask if you could take a look at the reactors to see if they are being built properly. I had a very large marine (70) with medivacs. {I know its rather silly}. But I noticed that none were used and I really thought that it would shorten the time if they were. If you have a chance to look at that, perhaps something could be improved.

Anyway, thanks again!!

Yeah, I know the reactor stuff isn't very good atm, I'll have to play with the values so that it tries out reactors and things like orbital commands more often.

Requisition

United States97 Posts

December 03 2010 02:24 GMT

#534

Hey Carbon, I tried saving a build order that is created, but when I load it again the .xml is blank. Any ideas?

Durikkan

4 Posts

December 03 2010 02:59 GMT

#535

On December 03 2010 10:00 JJJoeJabba wrote:
...I had a very large marine (70) with medivacs. {I know its rather silly}. But I noticed that none were used and I really thought that it would shorten the time if they were....

I set mine to do 70 marines and 8 medivacs and it built one reactor on a barracks and one on the starport (on a build it had only run for 20 seconds or so), so it seems to know how to use them, I'd guess it's more a cost issue than anything else (they do effectively shut down a barracks for 50 seconds and effectively cost almost as much as another barracks)

They're a lot more efficient for factories, if you put in 20 hellions, it will put out a build using reactors on all the factories within seconds, so I'd say it's more likely to do with their value on barracks than anything else.

You can always try forcing it to build 1 or 2 reactors and see if that lowers the time at all.

Bartlett

12 Posts

December 03 2010 03:01 GMT

#536

On December 03 2010 05:55 Ncinerate wrote:

Show nested quote +

I find (mainly for Toss haven't tried a Terran build in anger yet) that I can easily be 30seconds out by around the 7 minute mark, partly because I am not Uber with my micro (first probe quite typically gets built at 4seconds unless I am seriously trying hard and then it'll hit at 2) and a few seconds of slippage in timing cascades as well down the track (usually not resources, mainly production availability to get the units out).

Bartlett

12 Posts

December 03 2010 03:09 GMT

#537

This thing is just completely awesome mate really liking the Terran module too hope to give my T buddies a bit of a surprise

EDIT: loving the sticky scroll bar too

TyPsi5

United States204 Posts

December 03 2010 03:12 GMT

#538

<3 for releasing code

[p]Drake

United States40 Posts

December 03 2010 03:19 GMT

#539

I don't see an option have a nuke as a target. Am I blind? I must know the fastest nuke rush!!!

Requisition

United States97 Posts

December 03 2010 03:30 GMT

#540

Hey Carbon, the constant SCV production doesn't seem to be working. After I selected the infernal pre-igniter upgrade, 4 hellions, 1 medivac, and constant SCVs, this is what it gave me:

0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 11S - Build SCV
0:19.00: 73M 0G 0E 7/ 11S - Build SCV
0:36.00: 106M 0G 0E 8/ 11S - Build SCV
0:39.63: 75M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Build Refinery
0:59.51: 100M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Build Supply Depot
1:09.63: 47M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Move SCV To Gas
1:09.63: 47M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Move SCV To Gas
1:09.63: 47M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Move SCV To Gas
1:37.68: 150M 49G 0E 9/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
1:52.27: 50M 77G 0E 9/ 19S - Build SCV
2:37.68: 183M 163G 0E 10/ 19S - Build Factory (Naked)
3:06.42: 150M 118G 0E 10/ 19S - Build Orbital Command
3:37.68: 134M 177G 0E 10/ 19S - Build Factory Tech Lab
3:41.42: 101M 160G 50E 10/ 19S - Calldown MULE
4:02.68: 260M 200G 12E 10/ 19S - Build Hellion
4:02.68: 160M 200G 12E 12/ 19S - Research Infernal Pre-igniter
4:29.00: 219M 100G 27E 12/ 19S - Build Starport (Naked)
4:33.67: 100M 9G 29E 12/ 19S - Build Hellion
5:03.67: 219M 66G 46E 14/ 19S - Build Hellion
5:03.67: 119M 66G 46E 16/ 19S - Build Supply Depot
5:10.31: 60M 78G 50E 16/ 19S - Calldown MULE
5:21.63: 138M 100G 6E 16/ 19S - Build Medivac
5:33.67: 125M 23G 13E 18/ 27S - Build Hellion
5:37.14: 50M 29G 15E 20/ 27S - Build SCV

Waypoint 1 satisfied:
6:03.67: 215M 80G 30E 21/ 27S
Income: 516M 114G
Buildings: 1 Refinery 1 Barracks 1 Orbital Command 1 Factory 1 Starport 1 Tech Lab
Units: 11 SCV 4 Hellion 1 Medivac
Research: Infernal Pre-igniter

Only builds a total of 11 SCVs. :-/

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