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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:02 DeMusliM wrote: iccup.diamond - i never had anything to do with root gaming? I don't actually know who you are sorry. I'm sorry if that was misleading. I meant to say I set up matches with Naniwa several times with Root players and he never showed once. Not you. Sorry for the confusion. | ||
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:02 DeMusliM wrote: iccup.diamond - i never had anything to do with root gaming? I don't actually know who you are sorry. If you can find any kinda proof of that actually happening, please show me, since really, there's no point dragging my name through the mud. But just had a game where i had 114 supply vs miou's 110 supply (he still had 12 supply in construction) and a fight was about to commense (which i had a 180 degree flank on him) and sc2 crashed for me (i had the error message and such) and the defwin was awarded to miou, it's things like that, that make the league quite hard to cope with at times - i've seen regames happen out of sure wins, but never have i seen defwins happen against players who actually have the edge. i think diamond is talking about setting up matches for naniwa vs root, not you vs root. /edit: too slow typing ^^ anyway, nani clearly now has the image of a bm-player for anyone who didn´t know till now. kind of sad, but it seems like it´s true. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:13 DeMusliM wrote: ok, sorry it just sounded very much like he was talking about me ... Pretty on edge right now - :S It did look like he was talking about you but I am pretty sure he meant Naniwa and just didn't make himself too clear  | ||
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parker-
Germany285 Posts
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
sure you might argue that the ESL admins should help the players who arent speaking german with a translation fo the rules, but then again, the admins have ALOT to do and its a german EPS, so i can understand that they dont think that this is their job. in my opinion it is the job of MYM to translate the rules for their players and if they dont do that, its not the fault of the ESL admins. | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
Regarding bm, I think it's pretty clear that he's just an immature douchebag with a hot temper and attracted to conflict. That's his choice, who cares. Though I think it would be good if organizers of events posted in the rules that you're not allowed to be bad manner. If they don't, then that's their choice as well... | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:19 DarKFoRcE wrote: I absolutely cannot understand the people who defend naniwa here. Its absolutely not a big deal to obey to rules, as can be seen by quite a few people having none or very few PPs. Almost all the penalty points that were given to naniwa are because he forgot things or was organized very bad. his teammate, cloud, cannot speak english either and is in the same situation as he is, yet he only accumulated 5 PPs, of which he got most at the start for some smallish things. After that he learned from it and didnt get any more. While i agree alot of his PP's came because he just, didn't do as he should, some of the PP's that people get are totally unwarranted. For example - you're saying people should be organised well and such? i got PP's for having too early statements ... Which, let's be fair is abit silly - even to the point where i had a tournament the week and i couldn't postpone it to 1 day out of the play week, i think little exceptions should be made, or atleast thought about for future seasons as, while yes - people who are unorganised or specifically try and make the admins' jobs harder do deserve them, others with pp's like my own, i don't really think i deserved them. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:02 DeMusliM wrote: iccup.diamond - i never had anything to do with root gaming? I don't actually know who you are sorry. If you can find any kinda proof of that actually happening, please show me, since really, there's no point dragging my name through the mud. But just had a game where i had 114 supply vs miou's 110 supply (he still had 12 supply in construction) and a fight was about to commense (which i had a 180 degree flank on him) and sc2 crashed for me (i had the error message and such) and the defwin was awarded to miou, it's things like that, that make the league quite hard to cope with at times - i've seen regames happen out of sure wins, but never have i seen defwins happen against players who actually have the edge. Usually a regame happens when the player with the advantage drops, not the other way around. Your pc crashed and miou had the advantage or it was even at best. The rules clearly say that if someone crashes he gets a loss unless he had a big advantage which you didn't have. Giving a regame is totally miou's decision there. As an admin you have to give him the win or let him decide because YOU crashed. Rules are rules and this is the best possible rule you can make out of the crash issue. If there is an auto-regame rule in place people could abuse it. Other than that I have to agree, some PPs are not deservered and seem very petty. In Naniwa's case it was absolutely the correct decision though. | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:23 DeMusliM wrote: While i agree alot of his PP's came because he just, didn't do as he should, some of the PP's that people get are totally unwarranted. For example - you're saying people should be organised well and such? i got PP's for having too early statements ... Which, let's be fair is abit silly - even to the point where i had a tournament the week and i couldn't postpone it to 1 day out of the play week, i think little exceptions should be made, or atleast thought about for future seasons as, while yes - people who are unorganised or specifically try and make the admins' jobs harder do deserve them, others with pp's like my own, i don't really think i deserved them. yes the rule about statements not being too early might be a bit too strict, but then again, when they made the rule they probably didnt want people to just copy paste the same statement 15 times at the beginning of the seasons, but instead write something with suits the current situation, so they just made up some numbers for a timeframe in which the statement should be posted, which happens to be between 1 week and 1 day before the match. on the other hand, you only get 1 PP for something like this which is really not a big deal... as far as i know, exceptions can be made if you contact the admins well ahead in time, which, as far as i know, you didnt. players always only see things out of their own view, never out of the view of the admins or the organisation of ESL TV, for which it is terrible if players change schedule on short notice. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
I had 50 scvs, he had 48 (despite being 3 base, it was only just up) - my army was actually superior to his, he only had 4 tanks, 8 marines some marauders and 2 ground vikings adding up to 22 units in total in his army. I had 2 groups of 23 units each consisting of MMM + 1 (almost 2 tanks) from 2 sides. I would have used scvs which, since the patch soak up tank shots like wildfire - i would have lost roughly 15-18 supply, with him losing his total army, putting me ahead by far (while being on equal harvester count) - with an island expo he can't defend and no army, he would have then lost that island base, along with 25 scvs - making me have double the economy, while he is still rebuilding his force (and he would no longer be ahead in tanks, due to me now building them). With those events set in place, i was in the lead sir, no matter how you look at it, that fight was certainly a bad one for him and is definitely the mistake he needed to make coming to that position in order for me to win the game. @darkforce, i only knew myself the details 1 week before hand, i told the admins 3 weeks previous that i might be away during the middle/late middle of the month and if there's anything i can do while keeping it confidential (blizzard want it confidential) - it wasn't as if i didn't give any warning, it's just the 2 weeks notice for PP, given i only had the flights confirmed very shortly before it didn't really give me any other choice, and with the game not being allowed outside of the play week - even though i did give the 3 weeks warning beforehand that i might not be around for 2 matchs (i did manage to postpone the miou match by 1 day - but i didn't realise the flights would also collide with my Inuh game) it wasn't really my fault. So while i couldn't set any solid date, as i didn't have any dates myself - i did do what i could with the little info i had, and i still think it was kinda harsh to award me with the PP's anyhow. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:29 DarKFoRcE wrote: yes the rule about statements not being too early might be a bit too strict, but then again, when they made the rule they probably didnt want people to just copy paste the same statement 15 times at the beginning of the seasons, but instead write something with suits the current situation, so they just made up some numbers for a timeframe in which the statement should be posted, which happens to be between 1 week and 1 day before the match. on the other hand, you only get 1 PP for something like this which is really not a big deal... as far as i know, exceptions can be made if you contact the admins well ahead in time, which, as far as i know, you didnt. players always only see things out of their own view, never out of the view of the admins or the organisation of ESL TV, for which it is terrible if players change schedule on short notice. He was under a NDA. ESL definitely should have been more flexible in this situation. If Demuslim told it earlier everyone would have known he goes to Blizzcon. And after watching Demuslims Game I am pretty sure the fight would have been a catastrophe for Miou but I can't blame ESL on their decision as they need to have that rule to prevent abuse. The majority of top players would have decided to give a regame though. | ||
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FlyingDJ
Germany153 Posts
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
Nevertheless, I don't see any wiggling room for an admin other than let Miou decide in this situation. It was an unfortunate incident but I think the ESL can't be blamed this time. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
But then his profile says "3 Minor Penalty" but the rules state that the violation is worth 6 pp. Or did he miss an ESL TV match (no iFNG)? Because then I dont understand why they would state "(Wildcard 2-Wochen-Frist)" (Wildcard 2 week period), because the rules say ESL TV matches only have a 48hour deadline (and 3 penalty points). Really really fishy ruleset. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:31 TBO wrote: He was under a NDA. ESL definitely should have been more flexible in this situation. If Demuslim told it earlier everyone would have known he goes to Blizzcon. And after watching Demuslims Game I am pretty sure the fight would have been a catastrophe for Miou but I can't blame ESL on their decision as they need to have that rule to prevent abuse. The majority of top players would have decided to give a regame though. Thanks for understanding my situation | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
It is not like you get kicked out of the EPS for missing to upload 1 or 2 replays or make a match statement to early or to late. BUT if u manage to collect so many PPs that it equals 30% pricemoney you did lots of stuff wrong. I feel sad for Naniwa because he is a strong player and with some better support he would still play in the EPS with good chance to attend the finals and win a nice pot of money. And i feel sad for the Fans and the players, because now shit just got mixed up and the League is a lot weaker without the swedish Protoss. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
May I ask where the rules state that you need to have a reason for postponing a match? | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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