EPTNaNiwa kicked out of EPS Germany - Page 9
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Snowfield
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Vanimar
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On October 28 2010 02:53 Liquid`HuK wrote: i think overall this is a bad move by esl, some of the rules are pretty bad and even when you try your best to follow them then there are like errors on site or something, and they just penalize you. Altho naniwa has been known to be a little rough around the edges sometimes i dont see any mention of bm or anything (which what i was hoping for: that he like flipped out and broke a computer at a lan or punched someone). Either way this sucks  Yes. The ESL system isn't without flaws and the admins might be less than perfect. So what? You might get a few PP that you don't deserve. This is still much better than to have no - or very lax -rule enforcement at all. This way players at least pay attention to what the rules entail when they have to play their matches. If you look at other tournaments a lot of players just fuck EVERYTHING up by being lazy and ignorant idiots who don't give a fuck about how the tournament goes and if other players' matches are delayed or even impossible due to their disrispectful behaviour, because they have no consequences to be afraid of. As a ESL follower I'd rather have an irresponsible idiot eliminated than the whole thing delayed because of him. (And if he's that unprofessional he's probably not that good anyway) | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 28 2010 02:39 zere wrote: Honestly, who cares about EPS, anyway? Being around in the German bw-scene since '98, right now I couldn't care less about what's happening in this ESL. Recalling how competitional gaming evolved in Germany, I can clearly remember how BW has always been the red-headed step-child compared to the FPS games in the ESL, which only got a deeper interest in SC when SC2 was finally announced. Until then, they were completely lost in bw. And if the players would actually have read those ridiculous 69 pages of the rulebook, they would rather want drop out of that league, anyway. They are more of an employee than a competitor in this league. SC/BW successfully neglected ESL, and as long as ESL puts up these admins and rules, I can not see SC2 surviving in ESL, it'll just slowly die out. These kind of thoughts is exactly why "BW has always been the red-headed step-child compared to the FPS games in the ESL". You are part of the problem, show soem support for your scene if you want it to grow. As far as naninwa getting kicked out. Shrug, mix of bad administration, but you cant completely blame it on the administration, as Naniwa is known for his behavior. The guys a bit of a dick, as someone who follows that league, as a fan I am a bit happy to see him go. Karma is a bitch. | ||
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R3m3mb3rM3
Germany954 Posts
1. i was like yaaay gonna play a pro and learn something 2. wow waiting 35mins now... ill start pm 3. Naniwa :"stfu im playing right now have to concentrate i pwn you anyway bla bla etc... 4. mhhhh whispering admin 5. Admin: you simply have to wait we both know he would win against you so i waited and after i finally got to play he flames me in the end so i am so happy a player like this finally gets punished treating "newbish" players (im 1900 diamond) like shit and thinks hes god even though he wasnt directly banned for BM but still he was banned Karma calling im sorry for players of the eps like hasu though cause its not his fault naniwa was too lazy to play games he actually came to germany for | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
(Off topic but remember the casting live vs casting replays debate from a while back? I think it was diamond or some other tournament mods were claiming that there's always people who would not upload replays while people who are pro-replay said that they would upload them if they were punished for not doing it) | ||
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Anfere
Canada231 Posts
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On October 28 2010 01:55 TeamSoliduss wrote: German ideology didn't evolve much... NEIN! VERBOTEN!! You, sir, are clueless. If anything, German ideology has always been about the collective, putting the community in front of yourself. Probably the most social and outgoing people in Europe, with the benefits that come from that: Being successful, as team work > individualism (sup France). Germans' proneness to applying rules and regulations aren't about being "nazi" as you obviously imply, but about making the collective function well over time, as has been the case for their people for hundreds of years. People have gotten the ban hammer for less ignorant posts than yours... | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On October 28 2010 02:53 Liquid`HuK wrote: i think overall this is a bad move by esl, some of the rules are pretty bad and even when you try your best to follow them then there are like errors on site or something, and they just penalize you. Altho naniwa has been known to be a little rough around the edges sometimes i dont see any mention of bm or anything (which what i was hoping for: that he like flipped out and broke a computer at a lan or punched someone). Either way this sucks I lol'd at that part sir. Well played  On October 28 2010 03:07 crazeman wrote: (Off topic but remember the casting live vs casting replays debate from a while back? I think it was diamond or some other tournament mods were claiming that there's always people who would not upload replays while people who are pro-replay said that they would upload them if they were punished for not doing it) That is correct | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:02 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: I played NaNiwa in Zotac cup once and this is how it happend: 1. i was like yaaay gonna play a pro and learn something 2. wow waiting 35mins now... ill start pm 3. Naniwa :"stfu im playing right now have to concentrate i pwn you anyway bla bla etc... 4. mhhhh whispering admin 5. Admin: you simply have to wait we both know he would win against you so i waited and after i finally got to play he flames me in the end so i am so happy a player like this finally gets punished treating "newbish" players (im 1900 diamond) like shit and thinks hes god even though he wasnt directly banned for BM but still he was banned Karma calling im sorry for players of the eps like hasu though cause its not his fault naniwa was too lazy to play games he actually came to germany for wow did an admin say that? i'd have him kicked out immediatelly if he'd had said that to me. | ||
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CheeseGrater
United States290 Posts
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
@5:27! It is ok to ragequit, it is ok to whine about inbalance, but you have to respect other players. That's a big point in every sport. He hasn't that kind of respect - not ingame, not in his statements: I am playing against goody tonight in EPS. he plays extremly weird so i think i will have a very hard time against his super lame style, i do not know why goody is always very arrogant and incapable of compromising so that other players can schedule games with him. Maybe i just missunderstood him but i dont think so. GG GL tonight.http://www.esl.eu/de/pro-series/season17/sc2/1on1/match/19526664/ GJ ESL! | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15391 Posts
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
The Swedish Starcraft 2 play Johan 'Naniwa" Lucchesi has to leave the running Pro Series. Just Before the beginning of the twelfth day of play he received additional penalty points, that together with his previous offenses resulted in a reduction of prize money by 30%. By the rules, this mandated an unwavering and immediate exclusion from the ESL Pro Series 17. During the run of the Season Johan Naniwa Lucchesi had already received 10 minor Penaltys for smaller infractions, like delay of game, a late statement, and the late use of wildcards. At the rematch on the tenth day of play against Sascha GoOdy Lupp, Naniwa did not show up, from which a major penalty resulted. For further smaller offenses he received an additional fifteen minor penalties and reached with that the limit of penalty points, resulting in a disqualification. All matches played, as well as those upcoming, of Johan Naniwa Lucchesi were annulled and erased. The Italian, living in Sweden, moved together with his fellow Clan member Carlo ClouD Giannacco to German, to participate in the ESL Pro Series. With a history of eight wins and three defeats he was sitting on the third rank and was thought to be a shoe in for the upcoming Alienware Finals. Sort of crazy, but hey if you don't show you better have a good excuse if you don't want to be kicked. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
If you join a league you better know the rules. Bad admins or not, complaining later on that the rules are in german when it's a freakin german league is just inacceptable. As a member of a big clan there should be no problem at all to get a teammanager to help you understand the rules of the one league your playing in. What the hell are teammanagers for? Also if you ask any german player in the scene nicely he will probably explain it to you anyways but i guess being nice is not one of Naniwa's strenghts. Gaming is the only thing he does. They have one single playday per week and they can postpone games if they stick to the rules. Other EPS-players have actual jobs or study and they still manage their games properly. And Naniwa didn't even have something like Blizzcon going on. He just didn't show up or didn't feel like playing or writing statements. There is no excuse at all other than him being childish and unprofessional as always. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:02 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: I played NaNiwa in Zotac cup once and this is how it happend: 1. i was like yaaay gonna play a pro and learn something 2. wow waiting 35mins now... ill start pm 3. Naniwa :"stfu im playing right now have to concentrate i pwn you anyway bla bla etc... 4. mhhhh whispering admin 5. Admin: you simply have to wait we both know he would win against you so i waited and after i finally got to play he flames me in the end so i am so happy a player like this finally gets punished treating "newbish" players (im 1900 diamond) like shit and thinks hes god even though he wasnt directly banned for BM but still he was banned Karma calling im sorry for players of the eps like hasu though cause its not his fault naniwa was too lazy to play games he actually came to germany for I think the funniest part about this whole thing is how Naniwa is always first to call someone else a noob and purport his 'god-dom' at SC2, but yet when you look at his achievements in the game so far, its pretty lack luster to say the least. | ||
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RxN
United States255 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:02 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: I played NaNiwa in Zotac cup once and this is how it happend: 1. i was like yaaay gonna play a pro and learn something 2. wow waiting 35mins now... ill start pm 3. Naniwa :"stfu im playing right now have to concentrate i pwn you anyway bla bla etc... 4. mhhhh whispering admin 5. Admin: you simply have to wait we both know he would win against you so i waited and after i finally got to play he flames me in the end so i am so happy a player like this finally gets punished treating "newbish" players (im 1900 diamond) like shit and thinks hes god even though he wasnt directly banned for BM but still he was banned Karma calling im sorry for players of the eps like hasu though cause its not his fault naniwa was too lazy to play games he actually came to germany for I have no sympathy for players who make others wait on them while they do whatever strikes their fancy. Completely disrespectful. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
On October 28 2010 01:52 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I have nothing against DeMuslim but I am taking what he says with a grain of salt. Can't count how many times I set him up with matches vs Root (who he was talking shit about) and would send him 4 reminders per match about when it was and not have him show. . iccup.diamond - i never had anything to do with root gaming? I don't actually know who you are sorry. If you can find any kinda proof of that actually happening, please show me, since really, there's no point dragging my name through the mud. But just had a game where i had 114 supply vs miou's 110 supply (he still had 12 supply in construction) and a fight was about to commense (which i had a 180 degree flank on him) and sc2 crashed for me (i had the error message and such) and the defwin was awarded to miou, it's things like that, that make the league quite hard to cope with at times - i've seen regames happen out of sure wins, but never have i seen defwins happen against players who actually have the edge. | ||
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
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schisch
Germany123 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:02 DeMusliM wrote: iccup.diamond - i never had anything to do with root gaming? I don't actually know who you are sorry. But just had a game where i had 114 supply vs miou's 110 supply (he still had 12 supply in construction) and a fight was about to commense (which i had a 180 degree flank on him) and sc2 crashed for me (i had the error message and such) and the defwin was awarded to miou, it's things like that, that make the league quite hard to cope with at times - i've seen regames happen out of sure wins, but never have i seen defwins happen against players who actually have the edge. lol thousands of people watched ur game vs miou, miou had an advantage when ur game "crashed" so he does not have to give a re-game. | ||
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