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On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote:
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing poop out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
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On October 08 2010 08:45 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:36 epicopter wrote:On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote:
Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~ lol some console scrub is butthurt. You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning. Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub? These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them? Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso. But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone? Edit: Although to be fair, that RoyR guy is even worse, when he doesn't know a thing about Starcraft and talks like that.
I love MLG because of their support for SC2, but that doesn't mean I have to love the hosts for their show. My constructive feedback is that if they do a Starcraft segment, keep those guys away from it. I don't think their personalities and demeanor fit well with the Starcraft community. They were very off-putting and remind me of the sort of people I purposely avoid IRL.
In short, thanks MLG for your tournament, but I hated the hosts for this show. Just not appealing to a guy like me.
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On October 08 2010 08:49 RoyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote:
1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought. 1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
to be fair the #s don't tell the story.... Seoul allowed as many people as could sign up, to show up as far as I know. Also there were a lot of no shows and byes.
MLG restricts the # of people to how many can get tickets.. teams don't go cause they can't get a ticket(not saying these are good teams, just average joes)
But in the open ques in Seoul there were a LOT of bad players, ask those that attended, some of the brackets were EXTREMELY easy, some were difficult.
Starcraft still has a much much much much much larger following and larger player base as far as I'm concerned though, also overall a better game(coming from someone who has never played a sc2 or bw event, but have entered and competed in lots of local halo events, as well as 6 MLG events)
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On October 08 2010 08:53 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:49 RoyR wrote:On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote:
1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought. 1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days... You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
more like 5am-8am, and some nights there were 10,000 people watching in each re-stream channel, I can only imagine how many watched in the real stream lol.
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On October 08 2010 08:45 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:36 epicopter wrote:On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote:
Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~ lol some console scrub is butthurt. You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning. Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub? These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them? Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso. But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone? Edit: Although to be fair, that RoyR guy is even worse, when he doesn't know a thing about Starcraft and talks like that.
So to put it in more delicate way: dear MLG, if you market SC2 like that, you will badly fail. TLers and such don't care about your brah commentators. RoyR and xboxlive "people" won't dig nerd in his room with croked glasses. Please reconsider for your own good.
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On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote:
Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned.
Voicing their opinions in (mostly) mature ways is what forums are for, bosef.
Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market.
I'm quite sure most of the posters understand that. I do. But speaking strictly by numbers, the SC2 portion was well over 1/3rd of your total viewership for that episode, and therefore their opinions should merit your interest.
Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Hey brah, I hear that the average SC player is still in high school. did you know that dude?
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain.
Maybe you should (as a PR guy) not alienate the community of a game which you're looking to pick up in a serious way for your tournaments.
As it stands, SC:BW as an esport overshadows MLG. you should learn your place.
I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming.
Hey brah, maybe you didn't know, but the world doesen't end at the east coast.
Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining,
Look up some numbers on the GSL, broshamus.
but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
Pot. Kettle. Black. I believe you know this bit.
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On October 08 2010 08:54 TheGiftedApe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:53 lolnoty wrote:On October 08 2010 08:49 RoyR wrote:On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote:
1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought. 1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days... You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this. more like 5am-8am, and some nights there were 10,000 people watching in each re-stream channel, I can only imagine how many watched in the real stream lol.
Well 2-5 if you get up right at the start like me. If you come late you miss Artosis.
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what did Day9 talk about? I missed the show 
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On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote:
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world. Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
A certain JP McDaniel would probably dispute that opinion. Y'know, that guy who works for MLG? He's repeatedly mentioned how retarded a large portion of the Halo fanbase is while he's been impressed with how mannered the Starcraft one is. Go figure.
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On October 08 2010 08:51 epicopter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:49 RoyR wrote:On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote:
1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought. 1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days... That still doesn't add up to 2k and Halo is a team game requiring four people.
HMMMMM lets break down this post.....
1024+200+10000= 11224! From what i have learned 11,224 > 2,000...... Also your point on that halo game is a team game? Well no duh? It still has 1024 people coming to there events to PLAY halo so i dont get what your point is?
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On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote:
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world. Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
Kid, stop. I played Counter-Strike for 10 years alongside 4 other teammates, it didn't make me any more OR less popular. Many pro scbw and sc2 teams live together and practice together, it doesn't make them any more or less popular. What xbox live does, however, is churn out ignorant douchebags like yourself.
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On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote:
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world. Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll
.. god I hope this is a troll
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Dude how old are you RoyR? Maybe TL should set an age limit to post on the forums so we don't idiotic posts like his.
on topic: the show was awesome but hopefully sc2 can have a longer section in the future, and it probably will after the showing at MLG DC
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On October 08 2010 08:26 Piski wrote:
Why people are saying how much they enjoy watching the viewer count to plummet? E-sports is e-sports even if it's not SC2. You don't need to like it or even watch it but why be happy about it.
As a feedback I could suggest more SC2 stuff ^^ I kinda hoped there would be more tonight :o
That's like saying Soccer, Baseball, Hockey, running, swimming, rowing, etc. are all sports. Sure they're sports but that doesn't mean you'll see a Football fan happy when a sports show talks about Badminton or Table Tennis.
Some people want all esports to grow (like djwheat) but most people only care about a few games that they find entertaining to watch.
I don't care about the viewers plummeting but there's no way I would watch OSR again even if it was purely SC2 because those hosts are TERRIBLE. If I wanted that kind of commentary I would bring a keg to a frat house and chillax with some brahs. Get people who actually know what they're talking about and who CARE about it if you want an audience. Hiring a pretty face for the camera is not what gamers want to watch unless maybe it has tits too and is only serving a supporting role.
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wait wait, I get it, If were gonna communicate with them, we need to speak their language so here goes:
Yo my Brahs at MLG, Whats Cracking Mofos????
I'm tryin ta holler about this video y'all told us stupid starcraft computer newbs to watch. Man, Dat Shit was so Whack, They don't even talk about starcraft long. Dat shit was likez, aww man, a 20 minute Gamestop Magazine advertisment. Y'all only talked about each game for like 1 minute, didnt talk about any of da spec-if-iiikz brah. Y'all need to get REAL DEEP into it Ya'kno? We want to hear about new shit, that we dont alrdy know. If I'm gonna spend time On da Interwebz Watching videos about games, I'm prob a pretty big nerd, who already knows the basikzz. So Give me da info dat I REALLY WANT, insider shiz, ya dig? 3 minutes about who is gonna show up too MLG........U DIDNT EVEN TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT THE GAME, You guys claim to be a competitive gaming web-site, yet half of your content was about Wii Games and rock band..
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
edit: btw my ps3 mw2 gaming team is in top 100  MLG is a great console ladder..
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On October 08 2010 08:53 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:49 RoyR wrote:On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote:
1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought. 1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days... You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
Yep, btw thats 10k viewers a night per restream, not including the other tens of thousands watching it directly through gom
and thats also not including the fact that its just during a RO64 matchup, and THATS not including the fact that its 2-5 AM on the west coast....5-8 on the east
On October 08 2010 08:53 Bowdy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:52 ZlaSHeR wrote:On October 08 2010 08:51 Bowdy wrote:
slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside. Reread my edit in and my two posts since then ^_^ LOL I did that as soon as I got done posting, then I saw this post. I take it all back! I still <3 you long live QL!
I'm Zlasher not Slasher
On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote:
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world. Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
The more you hear him talk the more he sounds like yet another 14 year old on xbox live. No arguments, no facts, no legitimate claims made, just LOL YOU SOUND LIKE SOMETHINGS OUT UR BUTT WOCKAWOCKAWOCKA SOOOO FUNNY LOL I'M BETTER THAN YOU AT EVERY GAME AND HALO IS THE BEST EVEN THO NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THE USA TAKES IT SRSLY LOLOL
PS: RoyR did you know that MLG got 15k viewers to watch Halo 3 during MLG Raleigh?
PPS: Did you know that MLG got 44k viewers watching Starcraft 2 during MLG Raleigh?
On October 08 2010 08:57 awha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote:
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world. Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle... this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
Trolls do it on purpose, this guy is dead serious.
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Honestly the way MLG covers the tournaments sometimes disappoints me, but it's overall not bad at all and I'd tune in everytime.
But this show was just something I'd avoid instantly, it was something as people said above to show gamers as "cool guys" and the lack of knowledge about the stars would certainly upset the fans.
Calling IdrA Korean is probably as horrible as a sports news reporter referring to Lionel Messi as a football player from Brazil.
Edit: Woah, Mods will have fun with this thread.
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On October 08 2010 08:57 awha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote:
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world. Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle... this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
How am i troll? Look at IdrA, Artosis, QXC or any top name foreigner pro. They've all admitted that there social lifes arn't stellar and its apparent. You cannot at all say that Starcraft is a more social game than Halo.... Also im just saying if your gonna talk shit for about 10 pages of useless complaining about how it isn't all Starcraft im gonna call you out on it...
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On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote:
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world. Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing poop out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
Frankly, this guy is lucky he's escaped the mods for this long.
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TL is full of fans that have been following this game for up to 12 years now, this community isn't going to change so rather than TL being happy that MLG is throwing us a bone, MLG is going to have to realize they have a ton of people watching their shit but they are getting a community that doesn't give a damn and will say so.
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