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Devlin
Sweden91 Posts
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Nightbiscuit
Sweden179 Posts
I'm a 1400 Diamond Zerg and I could probably give you a few tips here and there. The replay packs were all unavailable according to megaupload so I can't comment on those. ZvZ: Scouting 13 pool or earlier > Any kind of cheese. Therefore, you want to scout on 9 supply. The optimal time to scout is to have your opponents base fully scouted the exact second a new larva pops at 13 supply so you can make your decision to either go Pool or to continue producing drones. Going 13 pool, I should clarify, is just my personal preference. I feel like when going 14 pool, it's a lot harder to deal with 6 pool. It's not impossible though. On Steppes of War you want to do the same thing but subtracting 1 from the xPool and xHatch (if you decide to go hatch before pool that is). The 9 scout does not only gives you scouting information but it also gives you the option to delay his expansion if he decides to go hatch before pool. There's simply no reason not to scout imo. You lose income, sure, but you'll have the option to build a later pool than your opponent so it'll even out. Overlord placement First overlord should 99% of the time be outside your opponents ramp so you can see everything that comes through there. You'll know how many lings he has and if he's expanding (if you scout a drone ofc). Placement of the second overlord is purely based on personal preference and map. I like to send it to my expansion if I'm going hatch before pool to see if my opponent is trying to block it. Then I'll send it somewhere somewhat close to my ramp so I can see any banelings coming through. Eventually, you'll want the whole path covered with overlords, if you get to that point. Deviations from the standard ling/bling play Any kind of deviation from the standard ling/bling play has a very exploitable timing window. It's a small window, but a timing window nonetheless. If you go 14 extractor 14 pool or anything similar to that, you'll end up having about 300 minerals before your first wave of larva pops. This is the best time to either build a hatchery or a roach warren. If you choose neither, you HAVE to convert those minerals into banelings, otherwise you've wasted the opportunity to deviate from the standard ling/bling play. If you successfully get away with build a roach warren or a hatchery, you'll be ahead. But how do you make use of the timing window if you're sticking with ling/bling? You build banelings and go for his drones. If he has two or more spine crawlers, you'll probably have to retreat. But that's a good thing. If he put down an expansion, you can kill that with lings guarded by banelings. If he put down a roach warren, you can do the same while building drones. You'll be ahead in the economical front. Even though strategy is important in ZvZ, good micro is always the difference between winning and losing. That and good decision making. ZvP Scouting Personally I like to scout at 9 so I know if it's safe to go hatch before pool or not. You can also use your early scout for harassment by blocking his first warpgate (you'll know where it can be placed based on where his pylon is). Early game Getting ling speed quickly isn't important. You're gonna want it by the 7 minute mark but before that, it's not needed. The key to beating a Protoss is to know exactly how many drones you can produce. Therefore, it's extremely important to keep tabs on what your opponent is doing and you need to know the second he decides to push out. If he's going 4 gate, you need to put down spinecrawlers, more and more the longer the game prolongs. When he does push out, cease all drone production because you'll want 100% of your larva to go to your army. Throw down a few more spine crawlers and after that it's all about micro and good decision making. When you've killed off his 4 gate, go for a counter attack and kill off any expansion that he might be trying to build. Mid game To me, mid-game is all about going into late game with ultras. I like to open up my games with Speedlings + Hydras. Then I build mutalisks for two reasons: Harassment and to kill colossi. You need an anti-colossi unit to get into late game if you open up with speedlings + hydras. If he dececides to go for a fast expansion A Protoss with good economy was for me the hardest match up until people told me to double expand as soon as you scout it. This is, in fact, what you have to do. Well, that and going all in. Going all in against a fast expanding protoss has actually literally never failed me. However, if you're playing to improve, I wouldn't recommend doing it. How do you know if he's fast expanding? (You probably already know) Simple: he blocks off the choke in front of his natural expansion with buildings. If you want to kill him, all you need to do is produce zerglings, get ling speed, build a roach warren when your queen pops (so it'll finish when your first 4 larvae pops). Then get like 6-7 roaches and after that 100% lings. ZvT You probably know more about this match-up than me so I won't bother with it. Mutas are awesome and I always get them. Ultralisks should be your goal since it's currently the only way to stop mass thor + blue flame hellions. You could argue that Brood Lords work as well but once your opponent goes vikings you're fucked. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
On September 30 2010 22:40 lolaloc wrote: I thought the topic would be about the awkwardness of Ultralisks popping out from eggs without a clean animation. Hahah, you and me both. :D | ||
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J7S
Brazil179 Posts
However, I have a question for you. In the original thread you said that the game was easy. But, you are one of the best. Should it not be easy? Isn't BW easy to Flash and Jaedong? I think it has a great learning curve. And people who played BW are way ahead, that's why they think the game is easier in my opinion. Congrats on your decision to understand the game from different perspectives. Our community sure needs more players like you. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On October 01 2010 01:13 J7S wrote: However, I have a question for you. In the original thread you said that the game was easy. But, you are one of the best. Should it not be easy? Isn't BW easy to Flash and Jaedong? they need to play 8 hours a day to not get rusty, and i need to play 2 hours a day for that i dont talk about easy as in win, i talk about easy as in easy easy to play | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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J7S
Brazil179 Posts
If people start to get better, maybe you'll need to practice a lot more to still be able to beat them. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On October 01 2010 01:32 J7S wrote: Yea, but maybe that's because there are more better players at BW, because they practiced more, SC2, that is a new game, there are fewer very good players, don't you think? If people start to get better, maybe you'll need to practice a lot more to still be able to beat them. that is true. but whats also true what im saying aswell, sc1 IS harder like it or not. and anyone who was good at sc1 agrees with me so i dont see where ur going with this at all. and im still not talking about beating or getting beaten. when i went inactive to play sc2 and then sc2 went down i was gonna play sc1 dreamhack vs haypro, i had some weeks to prepare. massgamed sc1 but it wasnt enough time to even get close back in shape i can go inactive in sc2 for a month and be back in shape under a hour, which i did sometime in phase 1 and came back for phase 2 | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
I know you said you'd still be entering tournaments as Terran, but does that mean you're not considering using Zerg at all? I think it'd be quite interesting to see your evolution (so to speak) as a Zerg player in a tournament setting. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
It'll probably help your ZvT as well. Remember sAviOr used to practice off races? | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On September 30 2010 23:20 xtfftc wrote: He stated that he thinks zerg is the least powerful race just like IdrA does. I think he's just getting bored with the low APM/less adaption builds style of Terran. Know why I think this? Because he said it.Morrow, you should put "Proving Idra wrong" under the goals list. :D | ||
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Invol2ver
United States330 Posts
Out of curiosity, do you find winning as Zerg more gratifying than as Terran? Aside from the fact that each win is a personal accomplishment for you of course because youre are challenging yourself, which I think is awesome. But in general do you feel better about your play after winning as Z than you did as T since it fits your style more? | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On October 01 2010 01:48 STS17 wrote: There needs to be a MorroW vs IdrA showmatch in order to prove your prowess. yeah I wanna see morrow rape idra ZvT  | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On October 01 2010 01:44 Jibba wrote: This is extremely cool. It'll probably help your ZvT as well. Remember sAviOr used to practice off races? Guess it didn't really pay off since he had to fix some matches.  | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
p.s what method of larvae inject are you using? there is a really fast method i wanted to share in case you didnt know about it. -all queens in 1 hotkey -press hotkey, press v -press shift (use right shift) and alternately hit backspace and left click to inject all hatcheries *important thing is to have a queen at each hatchery otherwise they'll move all around the map. anywho gl with the whole thing! | ||
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
His talent was unspent for Terran and Protoss, Zerg is the only race that is true to the feel of Brood War. | ||
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AbsentLover
Romania84 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 01 2010 02:06 AbsentLover wrote: When i read the title and saw the OP i thought you started going to the gym. wishful thinking Waiting for the "MorroW's body" thread EDIT: I think everyone's blowing this out of proportion. He's basically just dicking around as Zerg...kind of like the rich kids who "slum it" with their friends until they realize they'd rather have maids do all of their cleaning. He's still Terran when it matters. | ||
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