I feel sorry for Idra, because he was after TLO our last "Strongman" in the tourney, who could actually win this.
Lotze did deserve this well, also I thought Idra got him in the last game. But Idra has pretty much a problem, when he thinks he knows what his opponent does he lacks to scout.
On Metalopolis ie. After the big fight goin on until Lotzes base he seemed so confident, that he just ignored scouting.
One of the most entertaining matches I've seen so far in the GSL

Sewi

Germany1697 Posts

September 15 2010 17:36 GMT

#44

Thanks for the interview

This guy actually seems to be pretty cool.
Although I wanted idra to win, congrats man!

tomatriedes

New Zealand5356 Posts

September 15 2010 17:40 GMT

#45

- You used a hidden Void Ray strategy the second game.
▲ I originally prepared a different build. I was going to do a fast Colossus followed by an all-in. However, I learned early this morning Idra was preparing against my build order and preparing against another team's Protoss players. The Protoss player was using a build I was going to use. So I saw that with Hyungjoo Hyung, and so I quickly adjusted my build.

How did he 'learn' what builds Idra was practicing against? Did Idra's practice partner leak that? If so, that's a pretty shitty thing to do.

{ToT}ColmA

Japan3260 Posts

September 15 2010 17:40 GMT

#46

On September 16 2010 01:33 fabiano wrote:
Milkis, you are like our direct link to the korean news, we should build a huge statue in your honor.

Also, I'm glad to see the koreans taking over. My only exception is TLO because he is amazing.

dont think this is "koreans taking over" its just that 90% of the players in gsl are koreans so its bound to happen <:

Anfere

Canada231 Posts

September 15 2010 17:42 GMT

#47

I like that idra got beat by someone that wasn't terran. No excuses now imo.

He just help being BM. I'm sure that if masq or Silver were protoss, he would of raged anyway, terran is just an excuse, he was bad mannered before SC2 or any terran imbalance.

FireHazard

United States54 Posts

September 15 2010 17:43 GMT

#48

Really hope TLO pulls through, it would feel really good for a non Korean to win the thing

I am sort of glad that Idra's b-net build order checking backfired. By the way Tasteless and Artosis were commentating about it, they made it sound like some horrible trick you could use to counter your opponent by knowing all his builds. I think it's much better that truly good players have to have many different builds and playstyles to be unpredictable AND good at the same time.

I was sad about game 3 though... seriously, put one zergling on all the expansion and burrow it, it costs like 150 minerals to cover the map

omgCRAZY

Canada551 Posts

September 15 2010 17:44 GMT

#49

On September 16 2010 02:40 tomatriedes wrote:
How did he 'learn' what builds Idra was practicing against? Did Idra's practice partner leak that? If so, that's a pretty shitty thing to do.

I believe they said Idra was practicing with NEXGenius and Lotzes teammates saw on NEXGenius' profile that he had played idra a few times on LT with the exact build that he had planned to go for.

HECKER

United States15 Posts

September 15 2010 17:45 GMT

#50

Both were peep'n BOs. I guess it works out. ggs. Idra needs to learn some cheese. It would be least expected and that's when it works the best.

Dookie1

United States70 Posts

September 15 2010 17:46 GMT

#51

pretty much bull shit that some one tipped him off how idra was preparing

Monokeros

United States2493 Posts

September 15 2010 17:47 GMT

#52

On September 16 2010 01:32 Saracen wrote:
Metagame

oh you

Alou

United States3748 Posts

September 15 2010 17:47 GMT

#53

Grats to Lotze. He's a good player so I hope he does well.

Adila

United States874 Posts

September 15 2010 17:48 GMT

#54

Sounds like spreading disinformation will be a requirement for top players.

Either that or be a lot more flexible in builds and scouting.

NukeTheBunnys

United States1004 Posts

September 15 2010 17:50 GMT

#55

Im divided on this, I liked idra in the GSL just because i wanted to see some foreigners get farther. On the other hand, I dont like idra and think he gets more credit then he deserves so Im normally happy when he loses.

Guess we gotta just root for TLO and hope next season goes better for westerners

Rabiator

Germany3948 Posts

September 15 2010 17:51 GMT

#56

Lotze really showed some emotion after the game and during the interview with Artosis and that makes him stand out in the people who won so far.

On September 16 2010 02:40 tomatriedes wrote:

Show nested quote +

How did he 'learn' what builds Idra was practicing against? Did Idra's practice partner leak that? If so, that's a pretty shitty thing to do.

Artosis explained this: IdrA was studying the build orders of Lotze and this probably was circulated and so Lotze kinda "tricked" IdrA in the second game. He showed the same build order as in game 1 and secretly built that Stargate and three Void Rays. That gave him an instant win because IdrA wasnt prepared.

Voyager I

United States260 Posts

September 15 2010 17:54 GMT

#57

According to Tasteless and Artosis, IdrA had been checking battle.net profiles to find out what builds people had been using on different maps and preparing accordingly. Lotze found out about this through his own teammates. On the first game, Lotze went for his anticipated play for the map and IdrA came out with the appropriate counter and the win. In the second game, Lotze acknowledged that he was being preempted and got him back by pretending to do his usual play and hiding a Stargate on the other side of the map (which he had discussed with CheckPrime earlier that day).

Far as I could tell, the 3rd game was just pure awesome.

vesicular

United States1311 Posts

September 15 2010 17:56 GMT

#58

On September 16 2010 02:44 omgCRAZY wrote:

Show nested quote +

I believe they said Idra was practicing with NEXGenius and Lotzes teammates saw on NEXGenius' profile that he had played idra a few times on LT with the exact build that he had planned to go for.

Gotta keep that shit under wraps. It cost him the tourney. Well that and lack of scouting.

Roggay

Switzerland6320 Posts

September 15 2010 17:57 GMT

#59

I couldnt watch that game and I was very surprised to learn that Idra had lost, this is painful. Hope he will make it farther in the next GSL.

TLO is our last western hope in this season, gogo TLO.

figq

12519 Posts

September 15 2010 17:59 GMT

#60

Lotze seems like a very nice guy, and at least he didn't snipe Idra in some Davit style. GL to him in the tourney. I feel very bad for Idra, and to be honest watched the rest of the games without as much joy as usual. But there will be some more GSLs, and next year full leagues that reward consistent players like Idra. (also Genius, Junwi and all the other knocked out stars in Bo3s and Bo1s)