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On September 16 2010 04:04 NuKedUFirst wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey, Maybe Artosis will do an interview and IdrA and him can complain about protoss instead of terran for once? Really sucks that IdrA lost that.. Reasons why blizzard should get rid of match history and the builds. Every time someone enters a tournament they are going to need like 4 accounts to prevent shit like this.
um, IdrA is the one starting to look at his oponents BO and got hit on the nose with it. Keep the thing in game and dont try and be clever with scouting outside of the game if this things make you lose.
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Thank you for posting, now i hate him less!
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Well played Lotze you exploited IdrA's main weakness: his stubborness of expecting how his opponent should play rather than preparing for all possibilities the best he can.
Please IdrA stop being so damn stubborn and scout more!
I was really cheering for IdrA that game, guy deserves something for all that hardwork he's been doing in Korea these last few years.
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I called this, Idra's pvz is not really his strong point.
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IdrA got outsmarted. It's disappointing to see him lose, but it had nothing to do with cheesiness, unethical play, or game balance. It's a strategy game: IdrA threw rock-rock and it met with scissors-paper. In game 3, Lotzse just plain outplayed him.
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Looks like I missed some awesome matches :O
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poor IdrA...first time I wanted him to win, and he gets raped. sadfais.
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I really, really hope TLO does as well as we know he can and makes it into the last eight.
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a well deserved win.. one of the great games on GSL.. without Milkis what are we to doooo.. i always read his starcraft reports/updates both broodwar and sc2.  cheers.. thanks again.
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People are posting with no actual understanding of the situation it seems. It was pretty much explained to death by MANY people already.
Idra started practicing against Lotze's usual build order with NexGenius. (NORMAL SCENARIO. Pros AND Semi Pros do this ALL THE TIME in Korea. Notice that EVERY interview, winners in BW said "Yeah so and so helped me practice against this guy who's known for this.") Yes match history probably helped as well but it's being blown out of proportion here.
Lotze realizes Idra is practicing against his build order through his own teammates. He thinks "oh well, I can still use it anyway" and loses game one because Idra's build counters his. (Which I notice almost no one's making a big deal even though THIS IS THE GAME people should be bitching about if they're going to talk about match history etc)
Game two, he realizes his ace in the hole build is clearly not going to work and alters it to counter Idra's counter. Idra doesn't adapt correctly. IT HAPPENS.
Game three, they both play fairly standard, Idra slips up first and loses the game. NOT SOME ABNORMAL OMG scenario.
IMO, Match history scouting isn't a big deal! Idra was smart for actually looking into his opponent's build history to identify a pattern. Heck, this isn't some new shit if some of you fools followed brood war. Players check out what other players are doing ALL the time in OSL/MSL. You almost always hear something like "I noticed Jaedong did this build versus Light so I tried to adapt against it". Even without match history, there's still replays, etc. Lotze just did the smart thing AND HAD A BACKUP PLAN! GEE, LET'S PITCHFORK MOB HIM BECAUSE HE WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD PLAYER AND PROVIDED SOME GREAT GAMES. WHAT A ATROCITY.
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Congrats to Lotze, what a humble kid. Better luck to Idra next time!
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Probably, Artosis/Tasteless is to be blamed for this. I wouldn't be surprised if they were telling everybody Idra's preparations before the match, or if they had told some ppl who then leaked it out to the Koreans. Had it been kept under secrecy and close wraps, Idra would've won 2-0
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both players researching about their opponent before big match = wrong? it is scouting at its finest. know what to expect and proceed accordingly.
+ Show Spoiler +game 2 lotze made one unit that would counter everything he has by a successful mind play. fuckin brilliant strategy.
game 3 outplayed. was the usual macro game that idra is known to be good at, and yet still lost.
and for people that are saying koreans > foreigners, yes it seems this way. the players of this tournament was dominantly koreans, but the foreigners that participated were considered our cream of the crops. and hands down, idra was the one that everyone thought had the best chance of winning. he gets knocked out in ro32 by a korean player that is not considered as top contenders of gsl.
still rooting for you idra, there is always another gsl
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blind counters 
why assume when you can scout?
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Wether or not Idra started the snooping around for BO, this just showed how bad thins matchlist thing is for tournaments While Lotze really greatloy outplayed Idra in game 2 we'll nenver know what would have happened if they both played the game without any outside factor affecting the game.
Sad to see IdrA go, but grats Lotze, really well played and game 3 was amazing.
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On September 16 2010 01:26 Milkis wrote:
- You used a hidden Void Ray strategy the second game.
▲ I originally prepared a different build. I was going to do a fast Colossus followed by an all-in. However, I learned early this morning Idra was preparing against my build order and preparing against another team's Protoss players. The Protoss player was using a build I was going to use. So I saw that with Hyungjoo Hyung, and so I quickly adjusted my build.
IdrA really shouldn't have gone around advertising that he was looking at Lotze build order history.
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Just curious, can we get GSL translated replays like they do in proleague :O, I am interested in what they are saying (even though artosis`awkward translated interviews are amusing)
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On September 16 2010 01:43 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 01:33 fabiano wrote:On September 16 2010 01:28 tbrown47 wrote:
Congratulations Lotze, now like 90% of the TL population loves you -.-
Fixed. Milkis, you are like our direct link to the korean news, we should build a huge statue in your honor. Also, I'm glad to see the koreans taking over. My only exception is TLO because he is amazing. I think you being glad that the Koreans are taking over is the exception to the rule. Most of us would probably like to see a few non-Koreans. Next season!
Uh, that's possible but there are some of us westerners who aren't xenophobic and have no problem supporting the better players even if they happen to be Korean.
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Any VODs or replays from this match up?
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On September 16 2010 04:36 KissBlade wrote:
People are posting with no actual understanding of the situation it seems. It was pretty much explained to death by MANY people already.
Idra started practicing against Lotze's usual build order with NexGenius. (NORMAL SCENARIO. Pros AND Semi Pros do this ALL THE TIME in Korea. Notice that EVERY interview, winners in BW said "Yeah so and so helped me practice against this guy who's known for this.") Yes match history probably helped as well but it's being blown out of proportion here.
Lotze realizes Idra is practicing against his build order through his own teammates. He thinks "oh well, I can still use it anyway" and loses game one because Idra's build counters his. (Which I notice almost no one's making a big deal even though THIS IS THE GAME people should be bitching about if they're going to talk about match history etc)
Game two, he realizes his ace in the hole build is clearly not going to work and alters it to counter Idra's counter. Idra doesn't adapt correctly. IT HAPPENS.
Game three, they both play fairly standard, Idra slips up first and loses the game. NOT SOME ABNORMAL OMG scenario.
IMO, Match history scouting isn't a big deal! Idra was smart for actually looking into his opponent's build history to identify a pattern. Heck, this isn't some new shit if some of you fools followed brood war. Players check out what other players are doing ALL the time in OSL/MSL. You almost always hear something like "I noticed Jaedong did this build versus Light so I tried to adapt against it". Even without match history, there's still replays, etc. Lotze just did the smart thing AND HAD A BACKUP PLAN! GEE, LET'S PITCHFORK MOB HIM BECAUSE HE WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD PLAYER AND PROVIDED SOME GREAT GAMES. WHAT A ATROCITY.
Thank you for this post.
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