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Kyandid
Canada124 Posts
I'm by no means a good player. I just hit diamond as terran and wanted to explore the other races a little bit more, but the only option I have right now is either playing blind at a diamond level with a new race (whch will get me crushed) or playing uncoordinated custom games against people from all skill levels. If we can't smurf at all, this option should atleast exist, imo. | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
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Laggy
United States385 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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tok
United States691 Posts
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HeyitsClay
Canada336 Posts
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ColorsOfRainbow
Germany354 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:35 Alou wrote: It's a statistic. Your 1v1 rating should really not make you choose to only play 1 race. Just play and enjoy. its just more that i think he means that on diamant he have just NO chance and NO fun play other then his mainrace so he cant play other race for fun just vs underbronze customgames enemys | ||
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Meldrath
United States620 Posts
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:35 Alou wrote: It's a statistic. Your 1v1 rating should really not make you choose to only play 1 race. Just play and enjoy. Yeah, thats not really the problem. If he plays twice as many games mainrace as offrace, his games offrace will be way too hard and his mainrace will be way too easy. Neither will be very fun. | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:35 Alou wrote: It's a statistic. Your 1v1 rating should really not make you choose to only play 1 race. Just play and enjoy. First of all, not everyone can just enjoy and play as you would. It's different for everyone and this change actually makes sense because it shows you your win% with each race and if implemented well, your XvX matchup % which is not only bragging rights if you care but actually shows you how well you're doing in certain matchups. Second of all, if a person qualifies for diamond but is atrocious at the other races, it would let them ease into different races instead of intentionally losing a bunch of games that are not even competitive in order to go lower. | ||
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ShoeFactory
United States186 Posts
I think this is the reason why blizzard doesn't want to implement it. | ||
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Tonttu
Finland606 Posts
Separate stats with win/loss/% for each race+random It works just fine. I don't care if I have 20-60 with Terran or whatsoever and 100-10 with Zerg People would mainly just look your main race stats anyway for your "skill" But what comes for separate ladders for each race, I don't like it :/ It may cost your ladder ranking, but whatever.. :& So. Stats for each race should be separated, nothing else Though I like the idea of separate 1v1 2v2 3v3 etc stats  | ||
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sircuddles
Canada91 Posts
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:47 Tonttu wrote: Same system as it was in Wc3 Separate stats with win/loss/% for each race+random It works just fine. I don't care if I have 20-60 with Terran or whatsoever and 100-10 with Zerg People would mainly just look your main race stats anyway for your "skill" But what comes for separate ladders for each race, I don't like it :/ It may cost your ladder ranking, but whatever.. :& So. Stats for each race should be separated, nothing else Then you get abusers who purposely go 0-100 games with their worst race, to lower their rating, and go 100-0 with their best race bashing newbs. Its fine how it is, if you want to learn a new race, thats what the 8 hour timecard things are for, otherwise just suck it up and play. I played 30 terran solo games, then 10 random, then now 50+ toss.. who cares. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:53 vica wrote: It is actually better playing blind at the Platinum and Diamond level with a new race. If you're playing Bronze or even Gold players, chances are you'll wreck them just because you have superior mechanics, like keeping your money down. In lower Diamond, you'll be able to practice well, and lose because you were beaten, not win because your opponent is weak. Yeah this definitely helped when I started playing some Zerg. Knowing when the attacks come (from competent people), and getting to try out countering decent unit compositions is pretty valuable. Still got absolutely stomped at first but you learn plenty. | ||
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Bhaalgorn
Slovenia214 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:36 tok wrote: I think they should just allow you to leave a division if you don't want to be in it any more allowing you to try to qualify maybe once every week or so. Not sure how newer players would take it if they would constantly get stomped by more experienced players. Don't try to claim people wouldn't do that because you know it would happen and in quite large numbers. Why not play with friends if you want to try out a different race and not ruin your ratings/be pitted against people who know their race and you don't. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:35 Alou wrote: It's a statistic. Your 1v1 rating should really not make you choose to only play 1 race. Just play and enjoy. I want to stay in the top 200 NA and play in that pro league  | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
I wouldn't mind playing a different race but I don't want to play people miles better than me for ages until I get up to the level of my Zerg. | ||
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Deleted User 47542
1484 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Poll: New qualifying rounds per new race? Yes, you should do new 5 qualifying rounds per new race (80) No, it should stay the way it is (5) I don't care (1) 86 total votes Your vote: New qualifying rounds per new race? (Vote): Yes, you should do new 5 qualifying rounds per new race | ||
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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Mike941
United States98 Posts
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On September 06 2010 07:11 FlamingTurd wrote: I would love if u could get different ratings for different races. Would give u a huge desire to try new things. Agreed. The goal is to spread the word to Blizzard I guess. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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pOOdle
United Kingdom5 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:47 ShoeFactory wrote: If this was possible, I would let my friends play on my account on an off race if they didn't want to pay for the game. I think this is the reason why blizzard doesn't want to implement it. Blizzard should just limit the number of accounts to 3 or 4, that should solve that pretty easily. | ||
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Chronocide
United States126 Posts
Obviously I think it's terrible, but yeah. As for other people replying by saying that you should just play anyways, my problem with that is a) as you said it sucks to play an off race on diamond level, but also b) if you want to play in most tournaments you need to have a diamond level account. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
1. get a pracc partner 2. pracc with him 3. ??? 4. start playing league matches with that race once you feel comfortable with them. i myself don't care about rating since all it does is put me in games against people of equal skill. played a bunch o terran games and it went fine as long as i knew what to do | ||
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theorybiscuit
Canada117 Posts
On a side note, if you do pick Z, you get the sweet Infested Colonist portrait when you win 25 games. | ||
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Craton
United States17235 Posts
It does suck having to completely tank your rating to offrace, though. Whenever you decide to go back to your main race you'll have to play 20+ games just to get back to your appropriate rating where you're facing a reasonable challenge. | ||
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Cohedra
United States51 Posts
1.) Use a "Guest Pass" - if after 8 hours of laddering with an off-race you aren't either bored of it or low diamond quality, I don't know what to tell you. 2.) Find a practice partner - Can play tons of games, just find someone of appropriate skill level. You won't lose any ladder ranking, and once you're confident you can go back to your ladder account. 3.) Find a friend who bought the game, but stopped playing - I personally do this, he played the campaign and hasn't logged on since. Make his bnet account your "Off-race ladder account". | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
Really, over worrying about your record and what league your in means you care too much what other people think of you. I'm just trying to improve my game and the matchmaking system does a pretty good job at matching me to people of the same skill level. | ||
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FearDarkness
United States519 Posts
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sircuddles
Canada91 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Vysage
United States117 Posts
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Seraph.yongweihua
Canada224 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
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Hunch
Canada336 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
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fiskrens
Sweden196 Posts
I do agree though. I would play a lot more ladder games as other races and generally have more fun if they implemented this. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
and if ur say, a highly ranked player in diamond say, 1400 pts. within ur first 10-20 games of playing a new race u would already be facing players who are a fair challenge. ive made new accounts with trial keys and cracked out 15 games in a day, and by the end of the day i was facing 1100+ diamond players on a fresh account with only 15 games played | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On September 07 2010 03:05 vOddy wrote: I agree with the original post. Switchinig to Zerg was fucking painful T_T my winrate is down to 53%, and in the beginning it cost me about 200 - 300 points. and so what? What does it matter if you lose several hundred points when you switch races...the ladder rankings don't really matter as it stands. | ||
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leve15
United States301 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I've had a 66% win rate as zerg until I got 50... now i want to do the same with protoss, but the level is too damn high for someone blind, as you said. A good suggestion is to practice mechanics and macro and stuff in 2v2s, not ruining your stats. Watch a few replays, and start soloing. This helps, but isn't the solution. I went 0/7 with toss, MAJOR losing streak, now I'm 5/12, so if you really care about rating, best not switch as of now. | ||
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Twaxter
Canada190 Posts
I want to play all 3 races, but if I play random on diamond, I will get screwed. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
On September 07 2010 03:13 Jayme wrote: and so what? What does it matter if you lose several hundred points when you switch races...the ladder rankings don't really matter as it stands. It DOES matter. Just because you want to have some fun playing your off races doesn't mean you want to have to lose a bunch of one sided games to finally play people that are your off race level. Then when you want to play your main you have to battle back up through people way beneath your skill? That is not a good system at all. | ||
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volkar
Germany27 Posts
play 2v2/3v3/4v4 with your off race ... won't make u as good as ur main race but u won't fall deep, if this is your concern. I was plat terran switched to toss few weeks ago for 4v4, dropped to gold in 1v1 as toss and now with a litte practice i am plat again and doing fine. And i know 2v2/3v3/4v4 game dynamics are very different to 1v1, but it'll help u get started. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On September 06 2010 07:33 lindn wrote: solution to the problem: 1. get a pracc partner 2. pracc with him 3. ??? 4. start playing league matches with that race once you feel comfortable with them. i myself don't care about rating since all it does is put me in games against people of equal skill. played a bunch o terran games and it went fine as long as i knew what to do I dunno, the guys who I practice with would play 1-2 games with me at most before moving onto something else, thus you need a shit ton of practice partners to actually get any decent practicing time. Custom games just don't work for practice purposes thanks to blizzard going all social on bnet 0.2 and I'm sure this won't change anytime soon. So yeah, we need this different-ladder-for-each-race idea implemented ASAP. | ||
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
2. Play Random more 3. ??? 4. PROFIT!!! | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On September 07 2010 03:03 Shikyo wrote: It really isn't so bad. If you're in plat doing well, you'll be playing vs mostly diamonds. If you have a losing streak of like 5 games, you'll start playing vs other plats, then golds, and then even Silvers. You should be able to get to an even match even with your worst race after just a few losses. What is "a few losses"? Concerning permanent race switching: you are correct. Those few losses dont matter that much. But if I just want to play 2-3 games with my offrace I have to lose 4-5 games until I get an appropiate opponent? That's like 1hour each time I want to switch. And if I switch back to my mainrace I have to wait until I have "a few wins" until I get an opponent of my skilllevel again. According to your argument, every time I want to play my offrace I need to waste 1 hour of my time to get to the appropiate level and another hour to climb back up. Seems a stupid time waste - and for alot of people those 2 hours is the whole time they play each day (or even the time they play in 2-3 days) | ||
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Scoop
Finland482 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:53 vica wrote: It is actually better playing blind at the Platinum and Diamond level with a new race. If you're playing Bronze or even Gold players, chances are you'll wreck them just because you have superior mechanics, like keeping your money down. In lower Diamond, you'll be able to practice well, and lose because you were beaten, not win because your opponent is weak. Doesn't work for me. I have no problem keeping my money low when playing Protoss because I actually know what to do, but switching over to zerg my money skyrockets and I have no clue what to do with it. Spine crawlers? It's a totally different mechanic with each race. | ||
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Easy772
374 Posts
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Tonttu
Finland606 Posts
On September 06 2010 05:54 Skyze wrote: Then you get abusers who purposely go 0-100 games with their worst race, to lower their rating, and go 100-0 with their best race bashing newbs. Its fine how it is, if you want to learn a new race, thats what the 8 hour timecard things are for, otherwise just suck it up and play. I played 30 terran solo games, then 10 random, then now 50+ toss.. who cares. You can do it now too? If I play Zerg for main for example and pick Protoss which I can't play and lose 100 games? what's the difference? How do separate stats (now its games/won instead of win/lose for each race) matter in losing abusively? There is no impact at all in race stats compared to current system (My suggestion is just more detailed..) There would still be total 1v1 stats just like in Wc3. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
This is what you just said. Something is wrong with that statement. If you aren't a good player perhaps you shouldn't even be in diamond to begin with. I'm really getting sick and tired of people bringing this up and division chat completely. I really hope Blizzard removes divisions and stick to a global ladder. Lots of the casuals already left ladder. It's time for a reality check. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:57 StarStruck wrote: You are by no means a good player yet you hit diamond with Terran and want to try a new race? This is what you just said. Something is wrong with that statement. If you aren't a good player perhaps you shouldn't even be in diamond to begin with. I'm really getting sick and tired of people bringing this up and division chat completely. I really hope Blizzard removes divisions and stick to a global ladder. Lots of the casuals already left ladder. It's time for a reality check. It's not his fault bnet put him into diamond league, lot's of people in diamond still aren't that great... And whether you are a 1500 rated player or 500 rated it doesn't matter as far as wanting to try out your far inferior off race. There is nothing wrong with his statement. Additionally, when you say "lots of the casuals already left the ladder" that would mean getting into diamond would become more difficult, not less. | ||
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NehR
Sweden87 Posts
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ultimateq
United States114 Posts
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PTZ.
72 Posts
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Ineluctable
Canada68 Posts
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Befree
695 Posts
I think better W/L tracking for races would be realistic and a nice addition, but I do not believe there is a chance of there being separate rankings for each of your races because it is outside of the philosophy of Bnet 2.0 and a rather ugly mechanic. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On September 06 2010 12:36 sircuddles wrote: There's really no reason to not have multiple ladders for multiple races. Your skill level as X race is not going to be the same as Y race, ergo you should get a different ranking. Not sure how anyone could actually argue against this being implemented. If it already was, there certainly wouldn't be a 'Same ladder ranking for all races?' thread. I think bliz just wants to keep it simpler. Guys, it's really not a big deal. Your ranking and points don't say anything about who you are as a person. Or a player. You just have to take the hit when you switch races and over a short period of time you'll get better with that race and be back to where you were. | ||
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Illison
United States48 Posts
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Blackhawk13
United States442 Posts
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hdkhang
Australia183 Posts
On September 06 2010 07:27 Chronocide wrote: it's set up this way because blizz wants one game per person. If each race had it's own rating, people would work out agreements to share an account with each person playing a different race. Like brothers or roommates or something like that. I'm 100% certain that is why it's not implemented this way. Obviously I think it's terrible, but yeah. As for other people replying by saying that you should just play anyways, my problem with that is a) as you said it sucks to play an off race on diamond level, but also b) if you want to play in most tournaments you need to have a diamond level account. I doubt it. Wouldn't Blizzard have in a place a mechanic for checking if a player logs in multiple times on multiple occasions and proceeds to ban that account? Besides, people who have friends who play the same game, tend to want to play at the same time. It would be way more work to organise a play schedule just to share an account. The additional effort would be much more costly than buying the game outright. People who go to this much trouble to save a few dollars are really not that concerned with their ladder ranking and so it makes no difference if they have 3 accounts or the one. I think the main reason Blizzard has this set up is to mask any balance problems. If everyone could have separate ladders for the separate races, it would be much more telling if a particular race is "difficult" to play. | ||
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andynewin
United States105 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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