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On September 02 2010 00:44 drgoats wrote:I want you to take a second and step outside your house and go up to your mailbox. Inside you may find some mail and possibly find some bills. One of those bills may be from your cable tv provider. Open it up and let me know if they are charging you anything for using their services. On the issue at hand. Considering the demographics of the people playing this game, especially the ones who may be interested in watching VODs and livestreams, I believe that the price point that they set may be a little high. I can afford either option, or both, but I do get a lot of coverage on streams watching other tournaments that will probably be sufficient for me. I don't know, I may change my mind, but I will have a hard time justifying paying that much.
While you think you have a point I can and do watch many sports and television shows free of charge in 720p and 1080i from an over the air HD signal. Paying is not necessary good sponsors are. It just doesn't make any sense what so ever to not have a free stream. Way less people will watch and it won't be sustainable because they will be hard pressed to grow their audience.
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As the viewer, I do my share of the work by making GOM more popular and watching the ads. Scaring me away through having a cost only decreases ad revenue and popularity.
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We should write Intel and TG letters instead of posting on GOMTV's crappy forums.
Intel and TG are the sponsors. I bet they would nudge GOM in the right direction if we sent them a bunch of e-mails about this.
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WHAT?
This is horrible News....
I won't pay for that.
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Woah now that's quite a lot.
Even if it was just 20$ for everything I would still be extremely catious because the stream quality is usually... abyssal.
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I can see Blizzard's hand in this. Gom never did this kind of thing before. I guess it's in their contract with Blizz. Blizz MADE them do it.
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On September 02 2010 01:03 theuser wrote:
I can see Blizzard's hand in this. Gom never did this kind of thing before. I guess it's in their contract with Blizz. Blizz MADE them do it.
why would they?....
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On September 02 2010 01:03 theuser wrote:
I can see Blizzard's hand in this. Gom never did this kind of thing before. I guess it's in their contract with Blizz. Blizz MADE them do it.
That's speculation, if there ever was any.
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Can you say boycott?
I think most people are just going to wait for the inevitable release of pirated VODs.
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Sneaky fucks.. Now we know where they are gonna pull the prize money from.
Congratulations on gaining 64 fans in the players you are paying and losing out on thousands of viewers..
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On September 02 2010 01:04 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 01:03 theuser wrote:
I can see Blizzard's hand in this. Gom never did this kind of thing before. I guess it's in their contract with Blizz. Blizz MADE them do it. why would they?....
Because i don't know another e-sport/game company so obsessed about money and overpricing everything they sell.
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On September 01 2010 23:27 GogoKodo wrote:
I can sort of see where some business guy came up with the pricing. MLG priced $10USD for a single weekend. So someone that deals with money and doesn't deal with Starcraft sees that and figures $20 for a whole season of GSL is a great price. However that $10 for MLG included streams for Halo, Tekken, Smash Bros., SC2 and WoW. It also added a feature for rewinding the live stream which some people enjoyed.
That $20 price would be OK with me if they had a free alternative so I could at least check out the stream first like MLG had. I could see if the amount of content and the stability of the stream could justify the price.
I have no idea how they came up with the VOD pricing though, seems like a number someone just thought up out of nowhere.
For whatever reason, I feel way more likely to buy an HQ stream if there is a free LQ stream. It feels moreso like an upgrade and in a sense a donation to support something you like.
Having to straight up pay for a stream is a sure way to make sure I (and evidently about 600 other people right now) won't pay.
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I dont like how theyre charging for VODs. I mean I can understand if they charge for a stream, but really, VODs?
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I can see Blizzard's hand in this. Gom never did this kind of thing before. I guess it's in their contract with Blizz. Blizz MADE them do it.
Yes, because something bad has happened related to Starcraft, is MUST be Blizzard's fault. We have no evidence or rationale for thinking this, but that doesn't matter, because its Blizzard so EVERYTHING is their fault!
Please. If you're going to make accusations like that, you're gonna have to provide some more evidence than "Blizzard is teh Satan!!1!"
On the subject of the thread...
No, no I will definitely NOT be paying that. And it strikes me as a poor business decision--why not offer up a lower quality stream, probably with ads, for free or at a significantly cheaper price point, then offer premium service with hd and no ads for those who are willing to pay?
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On September 02 2010 00:47 ltortoise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 00:44 drgoats wrote:I watch football for free I want you to take a second and step outside your house and go up to your mailbox. Inside you may find some mail and possibly find some bills. One of those bills may be from your cable tv provider. Open it up and let me know if they are charging you anything for using their services. What? This argument doesn't make sense at all. I pay a bill for my internet connection as well, you realize. Football broadcasters make the VAST MAJORITY of their money through advertising. Not subscription fees.
He said he watches football for free. No he doesn't. Yes, he can watch games for a low price that is priced into his normal cable bill. I was just correcting his false statement in a rather obnoxious manner.
A cable bill is a form of subscription. If I do not pay my bill, I lose my service. You need to separate the broadcasters from the actual cable provider. I don't pay NBC to watch football, I pay [insert local cable provider here].
I never said that I watch streams for free, and I was careful not to, because I do pay $40 a month for my internet bill. My internet bill, however, is at a much lower price than my current cable bill (about 1/2-1/3). So in essence, since I share about equal time on the internet and on my tv, I would have to say that I am actually paying more to watch football than I am paying to watch my starcraft II streams, but I am paying for both.
I agree that they have priced this thing way too high, but when you are arguing your reasons for disagreement it is imperative that you don't make claims that are simply not true.
To provide a counter argument to all of those, including myself that disagree with the price, this thing can be looked upon as if it was pay per view on your cable tv. If I want to watch a UFC championship fight I will have to dish out $50 in order to watch it. However, if I want to watch some random fight, that may or may not be a UFC fight but rather a random MMA organization, I might be able to find it on another station that is already included in my cable package.
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On September 02 2010 01:09 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +I can see Blizzard's hand in this. Gom never did this kind of thing before. I guess it's in their contract with Blizz. Blizz MADE them do it. Yes, because something bad has happened related to Starcraft, is MUST be Blizzard's fault. We have no evidence or rationale for thinking this, but that doesn't matter, because its Blizzard so EVERYTHING is their fault! Please. If you're going to make accusations like that, you're gonna have to provide some more evidence than "Blizzard is teh Satan!!1!" On the subject of the thread... No, no I will definitely NOT be paying that. And it strikes me as a poor business decision--why not offer up a lower quality stream, probably with ads, for free or at a significantly cheaper price point, then offer premium service with hd and no ads for those who are willing to pay?
Well if they can sell some shity ponny for 25 or some stupid mappack for 15$. Why shouldnt they try to charge 20$ for a stream ?  .
I dont like this at all and I will never pay money for this lol. So this is the shit why theyre killing PL and BW off ? rofl. Haven fun trying.
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Well no way in hell i would pay for anything even if its under 1$ .
You wanted SC2 Esports well you got it baby. You just got a glimpse of whats waiting for you in the future.
Blizzard are gonna wreck BW proscene and fuck up the SC2 one too.
Goodbye Esports ?? I sure think so.
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On September 02 2010 01:06 Chill wrote:
For whatever reason, I feel way more likely to buy an HQ stream if there is a free LQ stream. It feels moreso like an upgrade and in a sense a donation to support something you like.
Having to straight up pay for a stream is a sure way to make sure I (and evidently about 600 other people right now) won't pay.
I wish there was a Weapon of Choice this week.. There's a lot of drama etc atm, it would of be interesting to discuss. I completely agree with what your said and i feel that they would make more money by doing what MLG and ESL does atm
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Who let the Blizzard-Hater bandwagon in here? It's so annoying to see that train again and again.
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This is an absolute joke. GOM got their $50 from me for the SC:BW tournament premium stream but they aren't getting $20 a month for this. Provide a LQ free stream, guys. Hell, use Octoshape if you have to.
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