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On September 02 2010 00:01 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:56 VanGarde wrote:
Obviously there should be a fee, anyone who claims they want e-sports to grow and then expect to get free streams and vods all the time should rethink if they actually want to help e-sports. Lack of free stream damages eports, how do you get new spectators? They should charge for HD stream, free stream give them advertising for they league/e-sport, and advertising money. Maybe they couldn't provide HD stream from Korea so they had decide to just charge for LQ stream.
They can also use variants of re-streams. Where they send the video to a relay that then sends it on...
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On September 01 2010 23:58 ltortoise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:50 GogoKodo wrote:On September 01 2010 23:32 ltortoise wrote:On September 01 2010 23:23 Ichabod wrote:
Well, crap, this news makes me sad, I suppose they need to pay for the prize money, but I'd prefer commercials, I guess we just have to wait and see how this all turns out. This is such crap. The prize money is NOTIHNG to Gretech. 170,000 USD? Absolutely nothing. http://www.gretech.com/eng/ir_finance.htmlIn 2003 they had a NET PROFIT of 5 million USD. I can understand them trying to make a profit on this event, but they should be thinking more long term. This is doomed to fail. No, 170k USD still matters. They are a business and to be honest 170k from 5 million is actually a pretty good chunk of money. Not when you can just as easily make a ton of it back due to advertising revenue alone just to the Koreans. Not many people are going to pay to watch this.
And furthermore, isn't this a sponsored tournament, namely by TG and Intel???
Wouldn't THEY be the ones picking up the prize pool? This leaves Gretech with organizing and running the event, I guess. Along with other misc. expenses. Either way, with all the advertising they will be doing, I can't see them not making a profit.
They are just looking to gouge us foreigners because they think they can get away with. Screw them. I'm not giving them a dime.
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Don't expect it to be re-streamed for free either, UStream and Livestream are really conscious about people broadcasting copyrighted material, I mean Orb was banned from Livestream for showing 5 minutes Zombieland on his channel, and rest assured I'm sure someone at GOM will be watching this site like a hawk to report anyone who re-streams their shit.
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i would even think about splitting the price with my brother if it was 10$ or less, but at the given prices i am simply not able to buy it since i go to school and just get like 50$ a month
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I won't hold my breath for a re-stream, but a torrent with recordings is a possibility, and if not I can live without it.
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I won't. Trying to get on their site to register but it isn't letting me in. 
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On September 01 2010 23:56 VanGarde wrote:
Obviously there should be a fee, anyone who claims they want e-sports to grow and then expect to get free streams and vods all the time should rethink if they actually want to help e-sports.
The pricing and business model for this is bad though, 20 for both live and vods would be reasonable.
I love how it's so "obvious" to you.
You watched some starcraft progaming lately? Or lets say...for the past years?
Same shit different game, eh GOM?
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why is there no option to purchase a live ticket if they decrease the price
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Timezones are too different for me to purchase live ticket, and VOD ticket is a bit expensive.
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On September 01 2010 23:56 VanGarde wrote:
Obviously there should be a fee, anyone who claims they want e-sports to grow and then expect to get free streams and vods all the time should rethink if they actually want to help e-sports.
The pricing and business model for this is bad though, 20 for both live and vods would be reasonable.
I watch football for free
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Thank god for torrents. This is absolutely fucking stupid, provide a HQ stream and let us pay for that instead, I think there'll be plenty of buyers is the price is reasonable.
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I watch football for free
I want you to take a second and step outside your house and go up to your mailbox. Inside you may find some mail and possibly find some bills. One of those bills may be from your cable tv provider. Open it up and let me know if they are charging you anything for using their services.
On the issue at hand. Considering the demographics of the people playing this game, especially the ones who may be interested in watching VODs and livestreams, I believe that the price point that they set may be a little high. I can afford either option, or both, but I do get a lot of coverage on streams watching other tournaments that will probably be sufficient for me. I don't know, I may change my mind, but I will have a hard time justifying paying that much.
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On September 02 2010 00:44 drgoats wrote:I want you to take a second and step outside your house and go up to your mailbox. Inside you may find some mail and possibly find some bills. One of those bills may be from your cable tv provider. Open it up and let me know if they are charging you anything for using their services.
What? This argument doesn't make sense at all. I pay a bill for my internet connection as well, you realize.
Football broadcasters make the VAST MAJORITY of their money through advertising. Not subscription fees.
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On September 02 2010 00:44 drgoats wrote:I want you to take a second and step outside your house and go up to your mailbox. Inside you may find some mail and possibly find some bills. One of those bills may be from your cable tv provider. Open it up and let me know if they are charging you anything for using their services. On the issue at hand. Considering the demographics of the people playing this game, especially the ones who may be interested in watching VODs and livestreams, I believe that the price point that they set may be a little high. I can afford either option, or both, but I do get a lot of coverage on streams watching other tournaments that will probably be sufficient for me. I don't know, I may change my mind, but I will have a hard time justifying paying that much.
i hardly pay 10 bucks per MONTH for about 60 channels, and yes, 20$ per one fuckn tournament is too much...
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I won't pay no matter what the price, screw gom TV, paying for a stream broadcasted from korea which will be the slowest thing in the world is just stupid. Plus i'm sure somewhere someone will restream this, and if we have the possibility to watch for free the korean stream, then i don't mind watching it.
Really disapointed, but i assure you no matter what the price is, they won't get a dime from my pocket and i'm pretty sure that the english stream/vods will be leaked, restreamed or aviable for free elsewhere.
You can download a movie days before it actually get out on theaters, so an internet stream, that's a piece of cake to restream it.
If you start paying, you'll have to pay for this GSL the upcoming GSL, other companies will see that it is working, so you'll have to pay for ProLeague stream, MSL and all the future leagues that will benefit from this to make the foreigners pay lots and lots of money.
Plus the GSL is a multiple tournement edition, so you pay 50 for the first GSL, 50 for the second one, and in the end of the year you spend an insane amount of money for stupid shit.
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On September 02 2010 00:47 ltortoise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 00:44 drgoats wrote:I watch football for free I want you to take a second and step outside your house and go up to your mailbox. Inside you may find some mail and possibly find some bills. One of those bills may be from your cable tv provider. Open it up and let me know if they are charging you anything for using their services. What? This argument doesn't make sense at all. I pay a bill for my internet connection as well, you realize. Football broadcasters make the VAST MAJORITY of their money through advertising. Not subscription fees.
It means you don't watch football for free, yo. You watch it for the cost of your hardware + cable bill + whatever portion of your electricity bill goes to powering your TV.
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500kbps is HQ Stream now? Is that supposed to be some fucking joke?
I might be willing to pay 10-15$ for 720p high quality vods, but worse quality than that and I'll find a way to watch it on a chinese restream or something.
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On September 02 2010 00:15 Alou wrote:I won't. Trying to get on their site to register but it isn't letting me in.
The site is a little bit slow. Took a few minutes to get the confirmation e-mail and it took another 3 minutes until the confirmation worked.
On topic: I have no problem paying if 1. the price is reasonable and 2. if the stream is 100% stable. Does not look like this is the case at the moment, though.
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On September 02 2010 00:51 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 00:47 ltortoise wrote:On September 02 2010 00:44 drgoats wrote:I watch football for free I want you to take a second and step outside your house and go up to your mailbox. Inside you may find some mail and possibly find some bills. One of those bills may be from your cable tv provider. Open it up and let me know if they are charging you anything for using their services. What? This argument doesn't make sense at all. I pay a bill for my internet connection as well, you realize. Football broadcasters make the VAST MAJORITY of their money through advertising. Not subscription fees. It means you don't watch football for free, yo. You watch it for the cost of your hardware + cable bill + whatever portion of your electricity bill goes to powering your TV.
Clothes aren't free to have, even if you get them for free from a mate. You have to wash them, which uses water/electricity..
Yeah, I can make ridiculous comparisons too. If I watch the world cup in football I don't pay a subscription, that was the initial argument.
I don't think you can compare SC2 to football though, they're just.. in different leagues. On the other hand we're not paying to watch any other tournament in the west (unless you pay for the HQ version), why do we have to pay for GOM?
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On September 02 2010 00:51 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 00:47 ltortoise wrote:On September 02 2010 00:44 drgoats wrote:I watch football for free I want you to take a second and step outside your house and go up to your mailbox. Inside you may find some mail and possibly find some bills. One of those bills may be from your cable tv provider. Open it up and let me know if they are charging you anything for using their services. What? This argument doesn't make sense at all. I pay a bill for my internet connection as well, you realize. Football broadcasters make the VAST MAJORITY of their money through advertising. Not subscription fees. It means you don't watch football for free, yo. You watch it for the cost of your hardware + cable bill + whatever portion of your electricity bill goes to powering your TV.
Well then I don't watch youtube for free, either. What is this point of this ridiculous tangent?
We're talking about additional prices to watch a specific thing. Not internet/cable bills.
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