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Wow, that is an amazing interview. + Show Spoiler +My favorite part was actually at the end, when he and Cassandra were talking about how they met and their relationship.
Thanks for the link!
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On December 20 2010 15:03 hewtrain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 14:41 heishe wrote:On December 20 2010 14:24 hewtrain wrote:On December 20 2010 14:19 shawster wrote:On December 20 2010 12:47 yejin wrote:On December 20 2010 12:15 KiWiKaKi wrote:
orc is the most macro/strategy intense race. But also the worst race Seriously, fuck you. I don't care if I get temp banned for this post but people like you ruined Warcraft 3. The Orc "QQ" really got to Blizzard and they patched according to the loudest community, the Orc players. Grubby was blogging that winning with Night Elf was easier than "shooting ducks in a barrel". Well, what is the situation in WC3 now ? The game is broken, there are 3 races playable, Undead didn't win any major tournament in more than 2 years. Only 1 UD player remains (Ted), all ther others have QUIT THE GAME (Happy, Fov, Lucifer, Sweet, Gostop, Susiria, Abver, Hasu, HLA, Elfi) Don't you think it weird that UD is the only race with 1 player left UD vs Orc is a 42% Win Ratio match-up in pro tournaments (Sk-Gaming esport index). 42% for UD, buddy. So dont whine with the Orc race, the only Orc with balls out there was Rotterdam (no blademaster) and Dayfly / Farseer orc always did hardcounter UD blame blizzard for not bufifng undead, don't blame orc players for qqing since they were in a legit bad situation. unfortunately there never will be balance when there are 4 races. orc was always inferior to human and NE qq was justified kiwikaki also has a hell of a lot more experience and knows how to play wc3 better then you probably, he was an ex-pro after all. calm the fuck down as well jesus. i dont think either one of you have any idea what you're talking about.. I think the response before you is OK. Orc was in a terrible situation vs both Human and Night Elf in the time around the end of 2007 and the beginning of 2008, and it was all due to the meta-game. Mass DoTs were just then adapted as a main strategy and all nightelfs switched to that instead of going for bears, while still no Orc had a clue of how powerful the blademaster could be with proper item use. The shop was barely used for anything except healing scrolls or dust. Teleporting staff was more common for nightelf, since they all pushed with BM + DH + 1 archer when the orc reached T2, in order to destroy the bestiaries and the caster huts (don't remember the name). Winning vs nightelf seemed to be a matter of how well or bad your opponent used his DoT's whirlwind on your army. It was essentially out of the orcs hands, since nobody thought of abusing the BMs power with invincibility potions and items. Orcs were mostly crushed at that time by the Human delayed T2 push with quick towers and lots of workers. It was kinda like the SCV all-in vs Zerg thats around right now, except as Orc your entire army was slowed and the "terran" brought 3 simultaniously building bunkers with him, one which burned away your heros and units mana. Oh and yeah the "SCVs" were pretty damn powerful too  So Orcs whined, and rightfully so. It all changed around the mid of 2008 though, when some player (don't remember if it was Grubby) came to the idea of buying the +2+2+2 circlet from the item shop right when the blademaster popped out. That basic idea seemed to change everything, since the BM was then starting to annihilate everything with it's highly item-focused play. I'm unsure of how the situation is today, since I've been completely inactive from the WC3 seen since sometime around the SC2 Beta. bolded the only part of your post that i have a problem with.. how can you say the whining was called for, and then go on to say orcs came up with a counter, without any balance changes impacting them..? to me that clearly says the whining was NOT called for..
when you're in a terrible situation you whine, everyone does it. even pros do, looking back on it is easy. you'd whine if you were a hopeless pro player stuck in that situation
blame blizzard for caving in to qq and not orcs for qqing
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On December 20 2010 16:42 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 15:03 hewtrain wrote:On December 20 2010 14:41 heishe wrote:On December 20 2010 14:24 hewtrain wrote:On December 20 2010 14:19 shawster wrote:On December 20 2010 12:47 yejin wrote:On December 20 2010 12:15 KiWiKaKi wrote:
orc is the most macro/strategy intense race. But also the worst race Seriously, fuck you. I don't care if I get temp banned for this post but people like you ruined Warcraft 3. The Orc "QQ" really got to Blizzard and they patched according to the loudest community, the Orc players. Grubby was blogging that winning with Night Elf was easier than "shooting ducks in a barrel". Well, what is the situation in WC3 now ? The game is broken, there are 3 races playable, Undead didn't win any major tournament in more than 2 years. Only 1 UD player remains (Ted), all ther others have QUIT THE GAME (Happy, Fov, Lucifer, Sweet, Gostop, Susiria, Abver, Hasu, HLA, Elfi) Don't you think it weird that UD is the only race with 1 player left UD vs Orc is a 42% Win Ratio match-up in pro tournaments (Sk-Gaming esport index). 42% for UD, buddy. So dont whine with the Orc race, the only Orc with balls out there was Rotterdam (no blademaster) and Dayfly / Farseer orc always did hardcounter UD blame blizzard for not bufifng undead, don't blame orc players for qqing since they were in a legit bad situation. unfortunately there never will be balance when there are 4 races. orc was always inferior to human and NE qq was justified kiwikaki also has a hell of a lot more experience and knows how to play wc3 better then you probably, he was an ex-pro after all. calm the fuck down as well jesus. i dont think either one of you have any idea what you're talking about.. I think the response before you is OK. Orc was in a terrible situation vs both Human and Night Elf in the time around the end of 2007 and the beginning of 2008, and it was all due to the meta-game. Mass DoTs were just then adapted as a main strategy and all nightelfs switched to that instead of going for bears, while still no Orc had a clue of how powerful the blademaster could be with proper item use. The shop was barely used for anything except healing scrolls or dust. Teleporting staff was more common for nightelf, since they all pushed with BM + DH + 1 archer when the orc reached T2, in order to destroy the bestiaries and the caster huts (don't remember the name). Winning vs nightelf seemed to be a matter of how well or bad your opponent used his DoT's whirlwind on your army. It was essentially out of the orcs hands, since nobody thought of abusing the BMs power with invincibility potions and items. Orcs were mostly crushed at that time by the Human delayed T2 push with quick towers and lots of workers. It was kinda like the SCV all-in vs Zerg thats around right now, except as Orc your entire army was slowed and the "terran" brought 3 simultaniously building bunkers with him, one which burned away your heros and units mana. Oh and yeah the "SCVs" were pretty damn powerful too So Orcs whined, and rightfully so. It all changed around the mid of 2008 though, when some player (don't remember if it was Grubby) came to the idea of buying the +2+2+2 circlet from the item shop right when the blademaster popped out. That basic idea seemed to change everything, since the BM was then starting to annihilate everything with it's highly item-focused play. I'm unsure of how the situation is today, since I've been completely inactive from the WC3 seen since sometime around the SC2 Beta. bolded the only part of your post that i have a problem with.. how can you say the whining was called for, and then go on to say orcs came up with a counter, without any balance changes impacting them..? to me that clearly says the whining was NOT called for.. when you're in a terrible situation you whine, everyone does it. even pros do, looking back on it is easy. you'd whine if you were a hopeless pro player stuck in that situation blame blizzard for caving in to qq and not orcs for qqing
doesnt make the whining right, orc wasnt at a disadvantage at all.. they were merely neglecting 2 key components that turned them into the most powerful race today (spirit walkers and item stacking)..
blizz did nothing at all to impact those 2 things, i fail to see how you can put blizzard to blame when they have nothing to do with unjustified whining
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On December 20 2010 04:24 Getz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 04:22 canikizu wrote:
Yes! He's playing Terran.
Show us how it's done, Grubby.
Without tons of scv all ins 
Yes, I love the strat where you pull peons to push lolz.
Admit it, that strat was good when orc's strat seemed to get stale.
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The Warcraft 3 pros to SC2 have sort of passed on me....
Warcraft and starcraft are two different games.
These War3 pros are just Starcraft 2 noobs compared to others. I finally realize how the SparkyZ house treated Nal_ra like shit during the old boy series since he's just practice partner level after his retirement from progaming. . People should just stop hyping their future success in SC2 based on their successes of their past careers.
These War3 pros will be stronger than the average gamer because they're progamers who played full time in War3 who switched to SC2 to continue to make a living, not because they're talented.
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On December 20 2010 17:09 ppshchik wrote:
The Warcraft 3 pros to SC2 have sort of passed on me....
Warcraft and starcraft are two different games.
These War3 pros are just Starcraft 2 noobs compared to others. I finally realize how the SparkyZ house treated Nal_ra like shit during the old boy series since he's just practice partner level after his retirement from progaming. . People should just stop hyping their future success in SC2 based on their successes of their past careers.
These War3 pros will be stronger than the average gamer because they're progamers who played full time in War3 who switched to SC2 to continue to make a living, not because they're talented.
Pretty bold statements... how can you say the wc3 players "aren't talented"? Check makes all 3 GSL's because... he plays a lot and tries hard? So does every other pro. You guys will never jump off the Tester bandwagon and he made it once. Check makes it three times and... he has no talent apparently.
I doubt we'll ever see a WC3 pro win any major tournaments, but it's tough to say they aren't talented. It's pretty tough for anyone to compete with someone whose played sc1 for 10 years when you were playing a similar, but different game.
Anyway, I hope Grubby chronos a few stalkers out and wins every game in the first 5 minutes.
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On December 20 2010 17:09 ppshchik wrote:
These War3 pros are just Starcraft 2 noobs compared to others. I finally realize how the SparkyZ house treated Nal_ra like shit during the old boy series since he's just practice partner level after his retirement from progaming. . People should just stop hyping their future success in SC2 based on their successes of their past careers.
Shows how much you know. Naama? He just won DH. Could go on but there really is no need to. Bw and wc3 players start off quite equally in sc2.
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On December 20 2010 22:29 Neo.NEt wrote:
I doubt we'll ever see a WC3 pro win any major tournaments, but it's tough to say they aren't talented.
Naama just won Dreamhack, and I don't agree that you can say players like him, Sjow, Demuslim, Lucifron, Kiwikiaki, Check, Madfrog, Maka or players that switch now or in the future like ToD, Happy, Grubby, Moon won't win any major tournaments.
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I thought we were done with this wc3 vs bw shit 
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TLO came over from Supcom. That's a lot farther from SC2 in terms of gameplay than WC3 was.
The truth is, while BW experience undoubtedly helps....so does any RTS experience, and so do innate talents like hand-eye coordination, reaction speed, and a gift for on-the-fly strategic thinking. Great players are great players, and they have the potential to be great in lots of different games
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On December 20 2010 22:54 Mandalor wrote:I thought we were done with this wc3 vs bw shit
Elitists will never let it go i'm afraid, kinda pathetic
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On December 20 2010 22:58 awesomoecalypse wrote:
TLO came over from Supcom. That's a lot farther from SC2 in terms of gameplay than WC3 was.
Thought TLO played BW @ Iccup, up to B/A lvl?
Or am i missinformed?
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On December 20 2010 22:51 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 22:29 Neo.NEt wrote:
I doubt we'll ever see a WC3 pro win any major tournaments, but it's tough to say they aren't talented. Naama just won Dreamhack, and I don't agree that you can say players like him, Sjow, Demuslim, Lucifron, Kiwikiaki, Check, Madfrog, Maka or players that switch now or in the future like ToD, Happy, Grubby, Moon won't win any major tournaments.
Yea, dunno if anyone knows this, but KiwiKaki is kinda MAD GOOD at this game. Kinda.
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For all the BW vs WC3 debate, from a player who has followed both the early BW, the WC3 and now the SC2 scene.
I just want to point out that it's nearly impossible to determine which has highest skill cap of micro in wc3 and macro in sc2, but really it is quite close.
One thing though is that BW players requires a more apm, because there's more to work with.
However in SC2 this is not an issue due to easier mechanics.
So strategical play will more often play the factor. And this is where players like Grubby, Moon and Check shines the most and that's why these guys will conquer this scene when it all settles down from the randomness and also why some of these old players like Boxer can continue to do well.
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On December 20 2010 23:05 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 22:58 awesomoecalypse wrote:
TLO came over from Supcom. That's a lot farther from SC2 in terms of gameplay than WC3 was.
Thought TLO played BW @ Iccup, up to B/A lvl? Or am i missinformed?
he was never a bw pro, he played supreme commander as pro though
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Anyone dutch is who i'm rooting for ^_^/
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I was orc in wc3, now I'm protoss....these news make me a happy panda
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Grubby is one of my fav progamers, on par with JD. I can't wait to see him get serious with SC2. He is a legitimately great player and I think he will suprise a lot of people.
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