New ZvT opener - Double Proxy EVO

On August 24 2010 09:30 peon.power wrote:
I dont see this working. You spend 2 drones (100 minerals), 2 aborted hatcheries (150 minerals) and 2 evo chambers (150 minerals) for 8(?) time-limited fighters. This couldve been 16 zerglings or 8 drones. The only advantage you gain is that they'll spawn in his base, you could deny his walloff and you confused him. He didnt continue to MULE and he still tried to get a techlab on his Rax instead of just spamming Marines and closing the Walloff with bunkers, supply depots or whatever. He couldve easily defended this.

I like getting the proxy hatchery for proxy creep before lair but i dont see this any efficient once you know about it and just keep cool.

I would like to try to proxy evo chamber once to deny his walloff, go for an zergling allin and bust it as the evo chamber dies and opens the ramp for you.

On August 24 2010 09:34 Zarahtra wrote:
That's awesomely creative. Love seeing Z experiment more. That being said, this doesn't really look like a staple cheese, the t can just semi wall and wait for the broodlings to come and then kite and finish the wall.

On August 24 2010 09:37 The_Pacifist wrote:


But if it were, it wouldn't really be cheese.

On August 24 2010 09:41 Zarahtra wrote:

Well a cheese catches you by surprise by hiding, since this obviously isn't quite subtle, well it would need to be. Suppose I should've rather called it all-in rather than cheese for that reason.

On August 24 2010 10:53 teamsolid wrote:
What if he just let the proxy hatch finish building? 2 x Evo chamber = 2 x 75 canceled hatch + 50 drone + 75 evo = 200 * 2 = 400 minerals. 1 Hatch = 350 minerals. I believe hatcheries also spawn more broodlings than evo chambers when they die and as a bonus will be spawning larvae for you directly in his base. Btw, awesome strat, I definitely lol'd at how he raged out before leaving.

On August 24 2010 10:53 teamsolid wrote:
What if he just let the proxy hatch finish building? 2 x Evo chamber = 2 x 75 canceled hatch + 50 drone + 75 evo = 200 * 2 = 400 minerals. 1 Hatch = 350 minerals. I believe hatcheries also spawn more broodlings than evo chambers when they die and as a bonus will be spawning larvae for you directly in his base. Btw, awesome strat, I definitely lol'd at how he raged out before leaving.

On August 24 2010 12:55 Fission wrote:
The T could just wall off at the bottom of the ramp...

On August 24 2010 09:31 mOnion wrote:
cute but not actually feasible in diamond

something to bash ur friends with though!

On August 24 2010 17:52 Okiesmokie wrote:
I'd like to see a version of this with spine crawlers in your opponents main

On August 24 2010 18:25 Whomp wrote:
This just changed ZvZ, I'm off to play some games and block mineral lines with evo chambers now gg

On August 24 2010 09:24 StupidFatHobbit wrote:
Instead of removing the hatch creep on cancel, blizzard will nerf broodlings.

On August 24 2010 18:47 Potatisodlaren wrote:
Why would the Terran destroy the evos? They pose no threat alive, only when killed. They could just use the evos as part of their wallin.

On August 24 2010 18:34 geno wrote:

It's so hard to manner evo because they are 3x3 You can use it to block gas, but at that point you could just gas steal. They won't spawn broodlings, but by the time evo's die (since they won't lose hp on the enemies creep), they generally have enough to take the hit pretty easily, though you might be able to focus a drone or two.

On August 24 2010 18:53 Fontong wrote:

The evos are off creep and will therefore die

Thus the 'ticking timebomb' part of the commentary

On August 24 2010 19:20 The_DjiN wrote:
had a good laugh! nice one didnt knew you can put down evos like that :o

On August 24 2010 19:09 Potatisodlaren wrote:


Ah I missed that but in the video the Terran attacks and kills one of the evos when the other 1 are still at ~50% hp and the Broodlings kills his first 2 marines. If you simply avoid killing them your lings will be delayed significantly and the T can even delay orbital because the Z used 2 drones early to make the evos (and you see the hatches going down early so you know no pool) and do anything they want with such a huge advantage.

I know it's a fun strat but even when viewed like that it still relies on the T choking like hell when they see the evos instead of thinking what it means.

On August 24 2010 09:09 Kodat wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D25urXSlxe0

watch and enjoy the double evo opening

On August 24 2010 19:54 Art_of_Kill wrote:

funny


but:
zerg has ressources for two hatches and terran just start his rax?
u know i can win a broze newb just with drones and a click

but still funny vid

On August 24 2010 22:14 deL wrote:
Not super useful but I am putting this in the bag of tricks for those special BM grudgematches where you need to humiliate your opponent in the worst way possible haha.

On August 24 2010 23:16 kaleidoscope wrote:
why are there so many threads on this?

On August 24 2010 23:25 pechkin wrote:
so the enemy just dont attack it and it stay there for like 3 minutes...

On August 25 2010 00:44 Iggyhopper wrote:
Wow, you could totally hide a spawning pool with that. This works against a protoss too.

On August 25 2010 01:35 cHaNg-sTa wrote:

Wouldn't the pool die after time since it would also lose health if you're hiding it?

On August 25 2010 01:36 nihlon wrote:


If it can stay alive until you can put a down a creep tumor it won't. Or if you are rushing it might not matter since you'd lose anyway if the rush doesn't succeed.

On August 25 2010 01:15 Scope wrote:
I would loooove to see this developed into something more solid and cost-efficient. As it stands, zerg only has two cheeses, 6pool and baneling bust. Neither will even get you into diamond, I would assume. Terran tears brings life to the swarm.

On August 25 2010 01:15 Scope wrote:
I would loooove to see this developed into something more solid and cost-efficient. As it stands, zerg only has two cheeses, 6pool and baneling bust. Neither will even get you into diamond, I would assume. Terran tears brings life to the swarm.

On August 25 2010 04:42 Zelniq wrote:
I understand why everyone finds this so amusing...

but people seem to think it could actually be useful?? all you do is move all your units away a couple seconds before it burns to death on its own.. broodlings wont do anything..even if they go for worker you can just right click another mineral patch and it wont even kill a single worker

it only has a use (and a questionably bad one at that) vs a player who doesnt realize broodlings will spawn

On August 25 2010 04:42 Zelniq wrote:
I understand why everyone finds this so amusing...

but people seem to think it could actually be useful?? all you do is move all your units away a couple seconds before it burns to death on its own.. broodlings wont do anything..even if they go for worker you can just right click another mineral patch and it wont even kill a single worker

it only has a use (and a questionably bad one at that) vs a player who doesnt realize broodlings will spawn

On August 25 2010 05:06 Broodlings wrote:



It's amusing because most of us didnt know u can place proxy an evo chamber with a cancelled hatchery. In terms of usefulness.. blocking the Terran wall-off then running in with lings or roaches when it breaks down could have some potential IMO. You can't go wrong with experimentation.

On August 25 2010 05:32 Zelniq wrote:

correct me if im wrong but anywhere you place the evo chamber to "block terran walloff".. still makes a wall and basically you end up walling for him? the only time is when the evo chamber falls, then the wall is broken. besides if terran player sees this they can easily get any other number of ways to defend any incoming zergling/roach/baneling attack ..besides walling off

On August 25 2010 07:05 Asdkmoga wrote:
yeah, the broodlings are an added bonus, not what causes the damage. your preventing an early wall in and mass lings faster than he can mass marines. so your almost guaranteed some economical damage. and if not, hes forced to cut SCV's to build a bunker, or another quick 2 supply depot to make a wall behind ur evo.

On August 25 2010 01:15 Scope wrote:
I would loooove to see this developed into something more solid and cost-efficient. As it stands, zerg only has two cheeses, 6pool and baneling bust. Neither will even get you into diamond, I would assume.

On August 25 2010 06:50 EppE wrote:



The EVO chamber will eventually die because of no creep. It gives you time to stock pile speedlings just outside his base so they can run to the scv line when it falls. It moves the Zerg from defensive to an agressive posture which they currently lack.

Sure a Terran player could just adjust and wall in around the EVO, he could do a dozen different things. Look at the Protoss 2X Pylon/2X Cannon that they use on Zerg on 1v1 maps with a small choke. This is along the same theory. You mess with their "desired" build and they have to adjust. If they don't adjust then you get the advantage. If they don't prepare for the speedlings about to rush them, you are at an advantage. It's a POSSIBLE mini strategy you can add to your normal play.

I'm not saying it will work everytime, however saying it wont work because you assume the other play will react properly seems pointless. Why do anything then if the opponent is just going to do the best counter/reaction?

On August 25 2010 10:57 Zelniq wrote:
it saddens me to see the number of people that dont seem to realize all they need to do is move all their units away a few seconds before the evo chamber burns to death oO. broodlings only last like 8-ish seconds and then they disappear

bunkers (or even just units) are more than enough to stop any attack that follows, even w/o wall

On August 25 2010 01:15 Scope wrote:
I would loooove to see this developed into something more solid and cost-efficient. As it stands, zerg only has two cheeses, 6pool and baneling bust. Neither will even get you into diamond, I would assume.

On August 25 2010 13:10 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Already threads on this.

On August 25 2010 13:10 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Already threads on this.

On August 24 2010 09:26 Iggyhopper wrote:
Also, you can control broodlings to attack the mineral line. Epic win.

On August 24 2010 09:30 peon.power wrote:
I dont see this working. You spend 2 drones (100 minerals), 2 aborted hatcheries (150 minerals) and 2 evo chambers (150 minerals) for 8(?) time-limited fighters. This couldve been 16 zerglings or 8 drones. The only advantage you gain is that they'll spawn in his base, you could deny his walloff and you confused him. He didnt continue to MULE and he still tried to get a techlab on his Rax instead of just spamming Marines and closing the Walloff with bunkers, supply depots or whatever. He couldve easily defended this.

I like getting the proxy hatchery for proxy creep before lair but i dont see this any efficient once you know about it and just keep cool.

I would like to try to proxy evo chamber once to deny his walloff, go for an zergling allin and bust it as the evo chamber dies and opens the ramp for you.

On August 26 2010 02:29 lindn wrote:

put them right beside the mineral line and bam, no more SCV's for that guy :D

On August 26 2010 04:01 MangoTango wrote:


Good luck with that, you have to start a Hatch first.

On August 26 2010 05:25 EppE wrote:


You can do it against a Zerg, but if he pulls the drones he can kill 2 evo's before they pop.

On August 26 2010 05:30 sage_francis wrote:
i did that 2 times, and accused of hacking 2 times ^^

On August 26 2010 05:37 cocosoft wrote:
Did you succeed? :D

On August 26 2010 04:01 MrKozi wrote:
This video made try something that became very usefull strat in early game. After canceling hatch im placing creep tumor and than I'm hiding baneling nest or other tech structures

On August 26 2010 05:39 sage_francis wrote:


Pretty smart idea.

On August 24 2010 09:23 Iggyhopper wrote:
Could you potentially do a 6 pool spine rush with this, although that would be hard to pull off, but you could do it. That's how you break the T wall!

On August 26 2010 12:33 hofodomo wrote:
The icing on the cake was the zerglings attacking the evo chamber to force out broodlings just a bit quicker.

On August 26 2010 21:42 TheBearPaw wrote:
What? You have creep when you cancel a Hatchery?! That's bullshit! Blizzard, what're ya smoking?

On August 27 2010 11:42 GhoSt[shield] wrote:


Where are you going to get 300 minerals for the Hatch when you only have 6 drones mining?

On August 29 2010 16:17 Nub4ever wrote:
LOL
"Goddamn Joker is fuckin bad"
Though what I want to see is actually just proxying a hatchery in someones base as killing the hatch just spawns broodlings and god its hard to kill before they get a ton of lings in your base

On August 25 2010 10:49 Sinborn wrote:
I'm so glad zerg has a Planetary Fortress Rush variant.

DOUBLE EVO ALL THE WAY. HA HO WOOOOW.

On August 30 2010 15:15 DARKHYDRA wrote:
This hatch cancel trick has potential, u can plant a creep tumor right after cancel to get creep wherever u want. This can allow a wall off just not sure if zerg can make any use of that due to lack of range.

On August 30 2010 14:37 ayababa wrote:


am i the only one who gets this lol. ITS SO BIBITH

On August 24 2010 09:09 Kodat wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D25urXSlxe0

watch and enjoy the double evo opening

On May 15 2011 07:23 darkpwnage wrote:
this is awesomeeeee

On May 15 2011 07:42 Morphs wrote:
To bring this topic back to date: Blizzard still hasn't patched this. I find it curious since the whole premise of zerg seems to be that you can only build on creep. This technique bypasses that completely..

I don't really mind though. It allows for some creative things such as the hidden baneling nest I've seen once..