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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
August 21 2010 17:49 GMT
#341
On August 22 2010 02:49 shlomo wrote:
Better save that stream before it gets pulled off for some mystery reason.

Siffer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States467 Posts
August 21 2010 17:50 GMT
#342
This is the most logical thinking in my opinion:

1.) It is a show match. No reason to GG out early even if you know you are behind. Reason for a show match is to display the game. NaDa knows this and wouldn't GG pre-maturely even if he thought there was no way he could win.

2.) As others have stated: If it was network issues, NaDa would have asked for pause, not GG and leave.

4.) VODs will not be available because kespa doesn't want them shown.

5.) Immediately after the game, SK.Reis gave the 'Kespa told us to end match' explanation. I am a former WC3 player and know of Reis. He wouldn't say something like this out of speculation. He would only say it if he had facts.

For these reasons, I believe Kespa was behind the whole cancellation of the match.
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 17:50:17
August 21 2010 17:50 GMT
#343
Edit != quote
Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
August 21 2010 17:50 GMT
#344
On August 22 2010 02:45 cybrodroid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:38 cybrodroid wrote:
I'll just leave this here.

http://livestre.am/kHKN (skip to 40 min)


Just to warn. It's not my stream. The guy has some technical difficulties with that octo crap at a rather inopportune time and throws up the stream of the stream on TL.

correct me if i'm wrong but as far as i know esl is not a fan of personal streams of their own stream. so maybe someone should record/download it , cut tlo vs nada part and torrent / rapid it. hmm where is my video edit tools again....
schisch
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany123 Posts
August 21 2010 17:51 GMT
#345
On August 22 2010 02:49 Jimmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:45 schisch wrote:
why the hell should he say ppp? what does it even mean?



Not entirely sure what PPP stands for (I read discussions about it before and no one seemed to have a definitive answer), but it essentially means "pause the game please" and is used when a player is having technical difficulty generally.

ah ok thx
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 17:53:20
August 21 2010 17:52 GMT
#346
On August 22 2010 02:45 schisch wrote:
why the hell should he say ppp? what does it even mean?


ppp is the signal used to tell the referees/commentators that they're having connection issues.

EDIT: beaten. I'm gonna see if I can rip that stream and save that thing >:O
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
August 21 2010 17:52 GMT
#347
Going to try and make a copy of the stream, is there a program to DL it? or should I record over it?
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
Catalyst
Profile Joined September 2008
Japan77 Posts
August 21 2010 17:52 GMT
#348
On August 22 2010 02:38 cybrodroid wrote:
I'll just leave this here.

http://livestre.am/kHKN (skip to 40 min)

You sir are awesome, thank you kindly!
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 18:10:55
August 21 2010 17:52 GMT
#349
On August 22 2010 02:50 Tiax;mous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:45 cybrodroid wrote:
On August 22 2010 02:38 cybrodroid wrote:
I'll just leave this here.

http://livestre.am/kHKN (skip to 40 min)


Just to warn. It's not my stream. The guy has some technical difficulties with that octo crap at a rather inopportune time and throws up the stream of the stream on TL.

correct me if i'm wrong but as far as i know esl is not a fan of personal streams of their own stream. so maybe someone should record/download it , cut tlo vs nada part and torrent / rapid it. hmm where is my video edit tools again....

nm
shlomo
Profile Joined May 2010
258 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 17:54:58
August 21 2010 17:53 GMT
#350
lol I love how BATTLE.NET TWO POINT ZERO makes a special appearance in TLO vs Nada
(omg spoiler)

This whole situation with Bnet2.0 is so embarassing really.
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
August 21 2010 17:54 GMT
#351
Wow. This sucks. Damn you Kespa!!!
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
Fireflies
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom211 Posts
August 21 2010 17:55 GMT
#352
On August 22 2010 02:38 attackfighter wrote:
I think there's more reason to trust NaDa's team then some random casters (or whoever started the rumour), if wemade/kespa didn't want nada attending the event they wouldn't have given him permission in the first place. kinda dumb to think they'd risk causing anomosity between them and their customers


Yeah, whenever I think of KeSPA I think of well-thought out ideas that will please everyone. Words like "Free Agency", "ppp" and "massive match-rigging that they somehow managed to miss" don't even cross my mind.
One giant leap for mankind
Alexstrasas
Profile Joined August 2010
302 Posts
August 21 2010 17:56 GMT
#353
OK! So i actualy skimmed through the thread and i have to point out that ppl should really refrain from creating super elaborated opinions about stuff that is basicly speculation.
There are many sides to this and unless all facts are known is just pointless to rage much about it.

I think its pretty strange that the "plug was pulled" at game 3 after that TLO harass, and i think it makes the scenario of Nada throwing that towel more plausible than somewere at kespas facilities someone commenting during cofee breake "Hey Nada should be playing now at ESL" and the CEO: "WHAAAAT ???? PULL THE PLUG NOW!!!!!"


Now if they indeed pulled the plug i dont get why like 3-4 pages of the thread is ppl discussing "legal" issues like big time lawyers as if Nada was to somehow sue Kespa for not letting him play, also i dont get why this same ppl were commenting a contract between Kespa and Esl when it states in the update on the game vods that officialy Kespa didnt even allow the match. So basicly a good portion of the thread is people discussing stuff taken out of thin air.

So imo this only further supports that they didnt actualy pull the plug because they would just forbid him to play otherwise, and i doubt they would not know that their best player is showmatching until mid game 3.

Now seeing as ppl started to offtopic i´ll talk abit too.

In my opinion the gaming situation in Korean its not really that uber like many of you believe, so much so that it might be aswell the dark side of pro gaming.

There are numerous documentaries on the situation of the "younger" layers of starcraft players and in parallel the MMO gold farmers a.k.a chinese farmers (yes a big chunk of them is actualy korean), were they basicly get explored living all bundled up together with other kids playing games 24/07.
This is one side effect of the "progaming" scene that grew in korea and imo is somehow a reflection of how that type of "scene" is far from ideal.

While it is true that Kespa did alot for the the esports in korea, korea itself is something different, they love their starcraft for some reason and it was bound to be big there, and while Kespa did create the infrastructures for it to thrive it also greatly benefited from it so much that if there was no Kespa, Korea would still produce huge players but without korean player and enthusiasm for the game Kespa would never even be 1/10 th as big (aka if they were situated in another country).

Overall what im saying is, Korea is a microcosmos, what they do or dont do for esports have no real impact on overall world wide e-sports unless you plan to migrate to korea, so i dont really see why kespa has so many fanboys.

Regarding Blizzard, its pretty obvious they are trying to controll the e-scene by not adding LAN, and while this is something one could understand, first the casual gamer that plays for fun also gets hit by this, for no reason at all, they could just stipulate that no private LAN tournaments can be held without their concent.
And second they didnt actualy created any special additional infrastructure for pro players.

So unless they plan on starting to pay pro players out of their own pocked heres a shoutout for Blizzard.

GIEF F*CKEN LAN AND STFU.

Also wall of text omfgwtfbbq




synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 21 2010 17:57 GMT
#354
On August 22 2010 02:49 Jimmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:45 schisch wrote:
why the hell should he say ppp? what does it even mean?



Not entirely sure what PPP stands for (I read discussions about it before and no one seemed to have a definitive answer), but it essentially means "pause the game please" and is used when a player is having technical difficulty generally.


It used to be PP which is pause please
then kespa changed the rules so you have to say ppp >_>
:)
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
August 21 2010 18:01 GMT
#355
On August 22 2010 01:35 Milkis wrote:
http://www.gesomoon.com/zboard/zboard.php?id=ECT&no=12448

Koreans are translating what you guys say, fyi :3


Then I guess this calls for a translation of their comments? *wink* *wink*
I'll call Nada.
attackfighter
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada308 Posts
August 21 2010 18:03 GMT
#356
On August 22 2010 02:44 iCCup.Diamond wrote:

The problem is NaDa's team's story does not make any sense. Again he would have said "ppp" instead of "gg".

That only happened after Blizz partnered with GOM and KESPA freaked out.


ppp is only used in Korean matches as far as I know. also the game and set were nearly finished, so it would make more sense to just end the game than to spend 5 minutes fixing a technical problem

and GOM didn't partner with blizzard, blizzard just donated some money to the prize pool so they could promote themselves
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
August 21 2010 18:03 GMT
#357
On August 22 2010 02:56 Alexstrasas wrote:
OK! So i actualy skimmed through the thread and i have to point out that ppl should really refrain from creating super elaborated opinions about stuff that is basicly speculation.
There are many sides to this and unless all facts are known is just pointless to rage much about it.

I think its pretty strange that the "plug was pulled" at game 3 after that TLO harass, and i think it makes the scenario of Nada throwing that towel more plausible than somewere at kespas facilities someone commenting during cofee breake "Hey Nada should be playing now at ESL" and the CEO: "WHAAAAT ???? PULL THE PLUG NOW!!!!!"


Now if they indeed pulled the plug i dont get why like 3-4 pages of the thread is ppl discussing "legal" issues like big time lawyers as if Nada was to somehow sue Kespa for not letting him play, also i dont get why this same ppl were commenting a contract between Kespa and Esl when it states in the update on the game vods that officialy Kespa didnt even allow the match. So basicly a good portion of the thread is people discussing stuff taken out of thin air.

So imo this only further supports that they didnt actualy pull the plug because they would just forbid him to play otherwise, and i doubt they would not know that their best player is showmatching until mid game 3.

Now seeing as ppl started to offtopic i´ll talk abit too.

In my opinion the gaming situation in Korean its not really that uber like many of you believe, so much so that it might be aswell the dark side of pro gaming.

There are numerous documentaries on the situation of the "younger" layers of starcraft players and in parallel the MMO gold farmers a.k.a chinese farmers (yes a big chunk of them is actualy korean), were they basicly get explored living all bundled up together with other kids playing games 24/07.
This is one side effect of the "progaming" scene that grew in korea and imo is somehow a reflection of how that type of "scene" is far from ideal.

While it is true that Kespa did alot for the the esports in korea, korea itself is something different, they love their starcraft for some reason and it was bound to be big there, and while Kespa did create the infrastructures for it to thrive it also greatly benefited from it so much that if there was no Kespa, Korea would still produce huge players but without korean player and enthusiasm for the game Kespa would never even be 1/10 th as big (aka if they were situated in another country).

Overall what im saying is, Korea is a microcosmos, what they do or dont do for esports have no real impact on overall world wide e-sports unless you plan to migrate to korea, so i dont really see why kespa has so many fanboys.

Regarding Blizzard, its pretty obvious they are trying to controll the e-scene by not adding LAN, and while this is something one could understand, first the casual gamer that plays for fun also gets hit by this, for no reason at all, they could just stipulate that no private LAN tournaments can be held without their concent.
And second they didnt actualy created any special additional infrastructure for pro players.

So unless they plan on starting to pay pro players out of their own pocked heres a shoutout for Blizzard.

GIEF F*CKEN LAN AND STFU.

Also wall of text omfgwtfbbq







Lack of LAN is what keeps Blizzard all tournaments in check and prevents KeSPA using starcraft 2
Malgrif
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1095 Posts
August 21 2010 18:07 GMT
#358
On August 22 2010 02:52 Catalyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:38 cybrodroid wrote:
I'll just leave this here.

http://livestre.am/kHKN (skip to 40 min)

You sir are awesome, thank you kindly!

you sir, are a superhero thank you so much
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 18:08:11
August 21 2010 18:07 GMT
#359
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YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
August 21 2010 18:08 GMT
#360
On August 22 2010 02:38 cybrodroid wrote:
I'll just leave this here.

http://livestre.am/kHKN (skip to 40 min)


thx for leaving this here XD
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