Oh interesting. 80$ for a mechanical keyboard is a pretty good price.
I got one for like 35$ on eBay including shipping (which cost twice the KB price) though.
Thing is, this mechanical keyboard I have uses cherry MX browns, which have "tacticle feedback" and no auditory feedback, but essentially there is no tactile feedback either (it's extremely small), and am always "bottoming out" on my keys. In that sense they are no better (possibly worse) than rubber dome membrane keyboards.
As far as I can tell, the razer bard uses MX blues, which are clicky keys. This adds more force hysteresis with keypresses to both create the tactile resistance, as well as the click sound. the problem with that, is in gaming, you're oftentimes pressing a key (or multiple keys) rapidly in succession. When there's hysteresis in key presses, it will be difficult to perform keypresses as rapidly. Possibly a bit better explanation of they Hysteresis i'm talking about - from the keyboard forums geekhack:
The main issue is the "fire key issue", whereby the key 'unclicks' at a higher point than it clicks on the down press. As far as I know, the actually electrical registration of the key takes place at the same point, but the tactility does not.
As I pointed out over at OCN at one point, it's due to the fact that the click element in the Blue switch is has some degree of free vertical movement along the slider. On the down press, the contact with the metal leaf pushes it upwards. On the up press, contact with the metal leaf pushes it down. Thus, it is physically located in a different point in the key's travel depending on whether you are pressing it or releasing it.
That is why I've generally heard that MX blacks - or browns, just not blues - are good for gaming. I think gamers tend to always bottom out their keys anyway though.
Personally, I don't think the hysteresis in MX blues would cause much of a problem in most scenarios, and I think I would probably have enjoyed them better than these browns (although I have still never tried blues).
Blues are harder to get on cheap eBay keyboards though, (although there are white alps), and I'd not want to spend more than like 50$ on a keyboard personally, although I think 80$ would be decent for a razer product that uses blue switches.
like I posted in the old thread, I would prefer linear feedback on the keyswitches for a gaming keyboard. The Deck Legend provides that (with Cherry black switches), and backlighting, and nkey rollover, which this USB board won't. But I am glad to see Razer finally on board with the mechanical. And maybe with economics of scale, theirs will be a little cheaper than the Deck
$80 for a gaming keyboard is a great deal considering that gaming equipment generally means a $20 or so premium. I'm sure they'll figure out what switches they are, though I kinda want them to be MX Clears o
I can't remember what site I was on, but it was one obsessed with mechanical keyboards. They basically said considering the listed properties, these are obvious Cherry MX Blue switches. Which is an oddly terrible choice as far as gaming tends to go.
I have always been more prone to using mechanical keyboards but I feel like unless you get the "unlimited" version its really not that worth it. I use an old Dell model that came with XPS's a few years back... these I feel are the best.. the closest keyboard I have found to them are the abs m1 keyboards.
They are light, small, durable. Any more touch response and I feel like it would feel a little tooooo light when I keystroke.
On August 21 2010 06:58 aPsychonaut wrote: I bought Lycosa and the keys stop to work ocassionally. Hopefully this is better.
I have the same problem, but a restart fixes it. On topic this keyboard looks awesome, too bad im to used to the lycosa to ever go back to a keyboard like that.
ive been using the lycosa since the tarantula i received from being sponsored by razer a few years ago broke . i like that its smaller but after intense games certain buttons stop responding and it can be fixed through a restart. ive been looking at the steelseries 7g, but i really dislike the enter key and other placements. i think i might grab this keyboard although i hear cherry mx brown is preferred by most over cherry mx blue
On August 21 2010 09:20 Xapti wrote: Oh interesting. 80$ for a mechanical keyboard is a pretty good price.
I got one for like 35$ on eBay including shipping (which cost twice the KB price) though.
Thing is, this mechanical keyboard I have uses cherry MX browns, which have "tacticle feedback" and no auditory feedback, but essentially there is no tactile feedback either (it's extremely small), and am always "bottoming out" on my keys. In that sense they are no better (possibly worse) than rubber dome membrane keyboards.
As far as I can tell, the razer bard uses MX blues, which are clicky keys. This adds more force hysteresis with keypresses to both create the tactile resistance, as well as the click sound. the problem with that, is in gaming, you're oftentimes pressing a key (or multiple keys) rapidly in succession. When there's hysteresis in key presses, it will be difficult to perform keypresses as rapidly. Possibly a bit better explanation of they Hysteresis i'm talking about - from the keyboard forums geekhack:
The main issue is the "fire key issue", whereby the key 'unclicks' at a higher point than it clicks on the down press. As far as I know, the actually electrical registration of the key takes place at the same point, but the tactility does not.
As I pointed out over at OCN at one point, it's due to the fact that the click element in the Blue switch is has some degree of free vertical movement along the slider. On the down press, the contact with the metal leaf pushes it upwards. On the up press, contact with the metal leaf pushes it down. Thus, it is physically located in a different point in the key's travel depending on whether you are pressing it or releasing it.
That is why I've generally heard that MX blacks - or browns, just not blues - are good for gaming. I think gamers tend to always bottom out their keys anyway though.
Personally, I don't think the hysteresis in MX blues would cause much of a problem in most scenarios, and I think I would probably have enjoyed them better than these browns (although I have still never tried blues).
Blues are harder to get on cheap eBay keyboards though, (although there are white alps), and I'd not want to spend more than like 50$ on a keyboard personally, although I think 80$ would be decent for a razer product that uses blue switches.
I'm thinking of dumping my G15... which was all the rage several years ago... I've never used any of the macro keys, even during my WoW days and find that I sometimes start hitting them when I realign my hands improperly while playing SC2. I wasn't aware of this keyboard, so thank you for posting the link. I'm probably lookinf around that price range but from other threads it looks like a Filco may be the way to go. Hmm.
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