EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 370
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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Hydrian
France12 Posts
(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176858) I completely agree with Sjow that people overscout in both BW and SC2. Oftentimes you start off with a build that is undecided for a while then scouting is crucial because your build adapts. However so many players use builds that are not made for adapting (again in both BW and SC2) and will lose to proxy rax for example even if they scout it. Not talking about Sjow here I'm talking about other players that do in fact scout, but when they see something happening still die to it, because they don't use an adaptable build. These players (a lot of top guys) don't understand the relation between adaptable builds and scouting patterns. Sjow understands that when using builds that aren't fit for adapting (which are plenty of builds from just about every player) you shouldn't scout at all. This does not make the build bad whatsoever btw because plenty of adaptable builds can lose to standard stuff because they gave up too much becoming adaptable. That's the price of playing RTS and the choices players need to make for themselves. People blindly saying thinking this is bad or that SC2 has failed need to get a clue and create a better understanding for the game. Judge a guy that scouts using an unadaptable build instead of the guy using the same build not scouting. The one not scouting understands the game much better. Everything depends on the builds that are being used. There's not only a difference between builds but also a difference between races. It's hard to imagine a good ZvT strategy where Zerg does not know how many raxes were built; thus Zerg should always drone scout. still it would be a interesting debate I guess btw, neither the mirror, itunes, or the original links work for me :S don't kow if it's me or the links [EDIT] it seems to work now oO | ||
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shinwa
Sweden225 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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Malloy
Canada166 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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zcerberusz
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P.S. More painuser/kennegit & 3 hour casts! | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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escobari
Finland192 Posts
btw if you are elitist and dont like interaction on net, go write your thoughts on your F-ng diary. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On December 15 2010 21:25 escobari wrote: Omg so much shouting and talking over. Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me). btw if you are elitist and dont like interaction on net, go write your thoughts on your F-ng diary. believe me: if your mechanics suck then your knowledge doesnt go deeper than the very obvious and basic things. no offense. I suck too. | ||
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Bloodash
Netherlands1384 Posts
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mell0w
United States102 Posts
SToG owes me a new liver | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10307 Posts
im ½ way trough, this is just, fuck my eyes are full of tears from laughing, fuck oh god Day9 laughing FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu xD aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg | ||
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
On December 15 2010 21:25 escobari wrote: Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me). +1. It doesn't matter who says that e.g. early banshee is good agains zergs, it will still be true. I unterstand that being a progamer should mean that there is a higher chance your point is valid, but it doesn't justify an invalid point. PS: I liked the laughathon, and the Tyler - IC - Anna banter, but I kinda understand now why Chill doesn't like Kennigit  . | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 15 2010 21:39 Zax19 wrote: +1. It doesn't matter who says that e.g. early banshee is good agains zergs, it will still be true. I unterstand that being a progamer should mean that there is a higher chance your point is valid, but it doesn't justify an invalid point. PS: I liked the laughathon, and the Tyler - IC - Anna banter, but I kinda understand now why Chill doesn't like Kennigit .In sc2 complaining about mechanics is just bad. If you have horrible mechanics you can be very good even without understanding the game very vell. Just seen a rep a 70 apm guy beat Idra, sc2reps.com, at least 10-15 cups european weekly cups were won by players with less then 100 apm. Protosses have 100/100 on every nexus after 9th minute of the game at the highest level, biggest macro zergs have lot of extra energies of queen, pros supply blocking themselves all the time even in early game. Those are mechanics. One can get to high-mid diamond doing a single chese in every matchup somewhat correctly. Anyone who says he understands this game well, but he is backheld by his mechanics is 2 grades below terrible, as he doesnt even get that he is bad at the game. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On December 15 2010 21:39 Zax19 wrote: +1. It doesn't matter who says that e.g. early banshee is good agains zergs, it will still be true. I unterstand that being a progamer should mean that there is a higher chance your point is valid, but it doesn't justify an invalid point. PS: I liked the laughathon, and the Tyler - IC - Anna banter, but I kinda understand now why Chill doesn't like Kennigit .I doubt Chill actually dislikes him. He just makes fun of his sc skills and even in that you can tell he is just joking around. | ||
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RationalGaze
United Kingdom121 Posts
Also the questions were freaking awful, why'd they answer so many about all-ins/rushes? JP should have picked the best ones only and left out all the other crap people were writing. Tyler was hilarious, so yay for drink-casting! | ||
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
I guess the other half i missing, alot of question still remains to be answered  | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On December 15 2010 21:25 escobari wrote: Omg so much shouting and talking over. Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me). btw if you are elitist and dont like interaction on net, go write your thoughts on your F-ng diary. Son, every god damn player from bronze to 2k diamond players thinks that their knowledge of the game is spot on, and it's just their mechanics holding them back. | ||
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
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