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Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
December 15 2010 10:28 GMT
#7381
Hey, it's me again! plain to see again! please won't you help me be gosuuuuuuuuuuuu. Omg you guys are so amazing
Hydrian
Profile Joined October 2010
France12 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 10:47:44
December 15 2010 10:35 GMT
#7382
Just in case, I quote the very true statement of LiquiNazgul about not scouting imo :

(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176858)

I completely agree with Sjow that people overscout in both BW and SC2. Oftentimes you start off with a build that is undecided for a while then scouting is crucial because your build adapts.

However so many players use builds that are not made for adapting (again in both BW and SC2) and will lose to proxy rax for example even if they scout it. Not talking about Sjow here I'm talking about other players that do in fact scout, but when they see something happening still die to it, because they don't use an adaptable build. These players (a lot of top guys) don't understand the relation between adaptable builds and scouting patterns. Sjow understands that when using builds that aren't fit for adapting (which are plenty of builds from just about every player) you shouldn't scout at all. This does not make the build bad whatsoever btw because plenty of adaptable builds can lose to standard stuff because they gave up too much becoming adaptable. That's the price of playing RTS and the choices players need to make for themselves.

People blindly saying thinking this is bad or that SC2 has failed need to get a clue and create a better understanding for the game. Judge a guy that scouts using an unadaptable build instead of the guy using the same build not scouting. The one not scouting understands the game much better. Everything depends on the builds that are being used.

There's not only a difference between builds but also a difference between races. It's hard to imagine a good ZvT strategy where Zerg does not know how many raxes were built; thus Zerg should always drone scout.


still it would be a interesting debate I guess

btw, neither the mirror, itunes, or the original links work for me :S don't kow if it's me or the links

[EDIT] it seems to work now oO
shinwa
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden225 Posts
December 15 2010 11:03 GMT
#7383
So many tons of respect for Anna to drop the As I lay dying bomb!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
December 15 2010 11:24 GMT
#7384
hmm, what i downloaded cuts at 45 minutes at the middle of a question
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Malloy
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada166 Posts
December 15 2010 11:34 GMT
#7385
Download from Itunes is broken...tells me I can't play it on my phone and my computer just errors out.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 15 2010 11:49 GMT
#7386
Oh man, this is so funny! Drunk Nony FTW!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
zcerberusz
Profile Joined October 2010
1 Post
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 11:53:29
December 15 2010 11:51 GMT
#7387
Best cast of the year! SOTG Fighting!!!!!!! <3 you nony

P.S. More painuser/kennegit & 3 hour casts!
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
December 15 2010 12:24 GMT
#7388
TANGOTOSS
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
escobari
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland192 Posts
December 15 2010 12:25 GMT
#7389
Omg so much shouting and talking over. Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me).
btw if you are elitist and dont like interaction on net, go write your thoughts on your F-ng diary.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
December 15 2010 12:29 GMT
#7390
On December 15 2010 21:25 escobari wrote:
Omg so much shouting and talking over. Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me).
btw if you are elitist and dont like interaction on net, go write your thoughts on your F-ng diary.


believe me: if your mechanics suck then your knowledge doesnt go deeper than the very obvious and basic things. no offense. I suck too.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
December 15 2010 12:31 GMT
#7391
tyler + alcohol = epic
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
mell0w
Profile Joined September 2010
United States102 Posts
December 15 2010 12:39 GMT
#7392
14 beers
SToG owes me a new liver
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10307 Posts
December 15 2010 12:39 GMT
#7393
i.... can't.... take.... more.... drunk.... Tyler

im ½ way trough, this is just, fuck my eyes are full of tears from laughing, fuck

oh god Day9 laughing FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu xD aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
December 15 2010 12:39 GMT
#7394
On December 15 2010 21:25 escobari wrote:
Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me).

+1. It doesn't matter who says that e.g. early banshee is good agains zergs, it will still be true. I unterstand that being a progamer should mean that there is a higher chance your point is valid, but it doesn't justify an invalid point.

PS: I liked the laughathon, and the Tyler - IC - Anna banter, but I kinda understand now why Chill doesn't like Kennigit .
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 12:46:29
December 15 2010 12:45 GMT
#7395
On December 15 2010 21:39 Zax19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 21:25 escobari wrote:
Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me).

+1. It doesn't matter who says that e.g. early banshee is good agains zergs, it will still be true. I unterstand that being a progamer should mean that there is a higher chance your point is valid, but it doesn't justify an invalid point.

PS: I liked the laughathon, and the Tyler - IC - Anna banter, but I kinda understand now why Chill doesn't like Kennigit .

In sc2 complaining about mechanics is just bad. If you have horrible mechanics you can be very good even without understanding the game very vell.

Just seen a rep a 70 apm guy beat Idra, sc2reps.com, at least 10-15 cups european weekly cups were won by players with less then 100 apm. Protosses have 100/100 on every nexus after 9th minute of the game at the highest level, biggest macro zergs have lot of extra energies of queen, pros supply blocking themselves all the time even in early game. Those are mechanics. One can get to high-mid diamond doing a single chese in every matchup somewhat correctly.

Anyone who says he understands this game well, but he is backheld by his mechanics is 2 grades below terrible, as he doesnt even get that he is bad at the game.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
December 15 2010 12:45 GMT
#7396
On December 15 2010 21:39 Zax19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 21:25 escobari wrote:
Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me).

+1. It doesn't matter who says that e.g. early banshee is good agains zergs, it will still be true. I unterstand that being a progamer should mean that there is a higher chance your point is valid, but it doesn't justify an invalid point.

PS: I liked the laughathon, and the Tyler - IC - Anna banter, but I kinda understand now why Chill doesn't like Kennigit .


I doubt Chill actually dislikes him. He just makes fun of his sc skills and even in that you can tell he is just joking around.
RationalGaze
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom121 Posts
December 15 2010 12:47 GMT
#7397
Shit that was an embarrassing rant by Kennigit. Every time I thought he would stop he would start up again and he wouldn't let InControl finish even though they were both making different points.Having their posts highlighted will not increase contributions from pro gamers (inControl's point), it only helps forum viewers (Kennigit's point), but for some reason he turned it into an argument. That was just painful to listen to, and I'm sure everyone else in the cast was having a shared WTF moment.

Also the questions were freaking awful, why'd they answer so many about all-ins/rushes? JP should have picked the best ones only and left out all the other crap people were writing.

Tyler was hilarious, so yay for drink-casting!
но ни шагу назад
xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
December 15 2010 12:49 GMT
#7398
The EP24 just ended at 102min of the show.
I guess the other half i missing, alot of question still remains to be answered
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 15 2010 12:51 GMT
#7399
On December 15 2010 21:25 escobari wrote:
Omg so much shouting and talking over. Ever considered ppl are mid diamong cos their mechanics suck, not the knowledge of the game? (ppl like me).
btw if you are elitist and dont like interaction on net, go write your thoughts on your F-ng diary.


Son, every god damn player from bronze to 2k diamond players thinks that their knowledge of the game is spot on, and it's just their mechanics holding them back.
Dystisis
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway713 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 13:00:40
December 15 2010 12:54 GMT
#7400
The discussion about the virtue of all-ins versus long macro games is not really about "players should just play to win". Of course they should. The question is about the spectators perspective. I don't think pro players have much to add to that discussion considering the fact that they will always play to win no matter what. The question is about whether the optimal conditions in order to win are good for viewers. Viewers are what makes Starcraft 2 a competitive game (e-sport), and the enjoyability is therefore important.
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