Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 334

On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.

On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.

On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.

On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

On December 07 2010 01:04 OreoBoi wrote:


I disagree. 5 people with experience podcasting talk about a subject predominantly found on trying to be funny and informative on a podcast and your response seems to brute force the idea that your podcast expertise (which I assume comes from listening to podcasts) trumps all. You actually don't have a point, and go about presenting your argument in a more disappointing way, and I find it tiring to listen to you complainers.

On December 06 2010 17:10 kojinshugi wrote:


I bet if your girlfriend woke you up on your birthday with a BJ you'd complain about the lack of breakfast in bed.

On December 07 2010 01:17 lfs wrote:


Finally people who agree with me, seems like everywhere I go I see praise for the guy but really I can't stand to listen to him most of the time. He can be funny but it is rare, and a lot of the time he is unqualified to rant and argue about a topic especially with people who are very qualified to rant and argue about something. He has trouble coming to the realization that the NA ladder is not the Korean ladder and it never will be, and the opinion of two high level zergs in Korea holds much more weight than his. Although he does give in on some issues (for ex., the pylon blocking), when he doesn't give in he gets really frustrated and starts rambling about some bullshit. Ironically the bullshit he normally says is just telling other people that what they say is bullshit, with no real argument behind it. Look, if Artosis/IdrA say that FG is a counter to Phoenix then it is - they don't need replays to show it. Stargate builds are much more common on Korea as they said so obviously they have a lot of experience vs Phoenix, and yes in general Zergs on Korea are more skilled than NA Zergs (because the players are generally better independent of race) so whatever the Korean Zergs are doing against Phoenix (FG) is probably a good counter to them.

This was also the case when IdrA was on the show a few weeks ago (can't quite remember exactly when, maybe even a month and half ago) and they were talking about how the players in Korea will always be better than foreign players. IdrA made the point that Koreans are better because they have a stronger work ethic and dedication to the game, but iNcontroL relentlessly suggested that foreigners could be just as good if they practiced as hard. But that isn't the point. The point is that they don't practice as hard, so they are worse. It doesn't matter IF foreigners practiced harder, they DON'T.

After awhile these types of arguments do get tiring, where iNcontroL is just pounding away at his "argument" when he is either not qualified to make it or it is just blatantly wrong. I am okay with the guy giving his opinion on topics because a lot of what he has to say is valid, he just shouldn't get in arguments that he simply cannot win.

On December 07 2010 01:26 jobiasRKD wrote:


Hey, fair enough. As a listener, I'm just expressing how I feel. I think inControl's an awesome player, and from what I watched over the weekend, he's got potential to be a great caster too. In this one episode of this one podcast, I found his approach to the discussion irritating. We disagree on this and that's cool.

On December 07 2010 01:17 lfs wrote:


Finally people who agree with me, seems like everywhere I go I see praise for the guy but really I can't stand to listen to him most of the time. He can be funny but it is rare, and a lot of the time he is unqualified to rant and argue about a topic especially with people who are very qualified to rant and argue about something. He has trouble coming to the realization that the NA ladder is not the Korean ladder and it never will be, and the opinion of two high level zergs in Korea holds much more weight than his. Although he does give in on some issues (for ex., the pylon blocking), when he doesn't give in he gets really frustrated and starts rambling about some bullshit. Ironically the bullshit he normally says is just telling other people that what they say is bullshit, with no real argument behind it. Look, if Artosis/IdrA say that FG is a counter to Phoenix then it is - they don't need replays to show it. Stargate builds are much more common on Korea as they said so obviously they have a lot of experience vs Phoenix, and yes in general Zergs on Korea are more skilled than NA Zergs (because the players are generally better independent of race) so whatever the Korean Zergs are doing against Phoenix (FG) is probably a good counter to them.

This was also the case when IdrA was on the show a few weeks ago (can't quite remember exactly when, maybe even a month and half ago) and they were talking about how the players in Korea will always be better than foreign players. IdrA made the point that Koreans are better because they have a stronger work ethic and dedication to the game, but iNcontroL relentlessly suggested that foreigners could be just as good if they practiced as hard. But that isn't the point. The point is that they don't practice as hard, so they are worse. It doesn't matter IF foreigners practiced harder, they DON'T.

After awhile these types of arguments do get tiring, where iNcontroL is just pounding away at his "argument" when he is either not qualified to make it or it is just blatantly wrong. I am okay with the guy giving his opinion on topics because a lot of what he has to say is valid, he just shouldn't get in arguments that he simply cannot win.

On December 07 2010 01:54 stevarius wrote:


This. It's one thing to argue constructively or in a humorous way, but it's a whole other thing to make yourself out to be an ass. And thus, this is what we are doing.... posting constructively about him and his methods in arguing his point and how he should refine it to being more logical and proper rather than resisting the more correct answers or even the flat-out truth given by someone else if it goes against his ideas or opinions.