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Drolla
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom389 Posts
December 06 2010 15:38 GMT
#6661
When the GSL predictions were being taken at the end, i think they were laughing at how Kennigit was trying to take over the show. This weeks podcast was really good anyway.
deadjon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
December 06 2010 15:40 GMT
#6662
On December 06 2010 18:25 MrCon wrote:
SotG 23 - mirror-

Thanks for the mirror, the primary link is still down for me.
Huh... wha?
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
December 06 2010 15:42 GMT
#6663
lol I couldn't stop laughing and thinking of Idra when Artosis was talking about the pro protoss complaining about zerg and then all their fans thinking ts unbalanced as well
jobiasRKD
Profile Joined June 2008
United States38 Posts
December 06 2010 15:45 GMT
#6664
On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.
Semantic Collision
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
December 06 2010 16:04 GMT
#6665
On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.


I disagree. 5 people with experience podcasting talk about a subject predominantly found on trying to be funny and informative on a podcast and your response seems to brute force the idea that your podcast expertise (which I assume comes from listening to podcasts) trumps all. You actually don't have a point, and go about presenting your argument in a more disappointing way, and I find it tiring to listen to you complainers.
lfs
Profile Joined September 2010
United States54 Posts
December 06 2010 16:17 GMT
#6666
On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.


Finally people who agree with me, seems like everywhere I go I see praise for the guy but really I can't stand to listen to him most of the time. He can be funny but it is rare, and a lot of the time he is unqualified to rant and argue about a topic especially with people who are very qualified to rant and argue about something. He has trouble coming to the realization that the NA ladder is not the Korean ladder and it never will be, and the opinion of two high level zergs in Korea holds much more weight than his. Although he does give in on some issues (for ex., the pylon blocking), when he doesn't give in he gets really frustrated and starts rambling about some bullshit. Ironically the bullshit he normally says is just telling other people that what they say is bullshit, with no real argument behind it. Look, if Artosis/IdrA say that FG is a counter to Phoenix then it is - they don't need replays to show it. Stargate builds are much more common on Korea as they said so obviously they have a lot of experience vs Phoenix, and yes in general Zergs on Korea are more skilled than NA Zergs (because the players are generally better independent of race) so whatever the Korean Zergs are doing against Phoenix (FG) is probably a good counter to them.

This was also the case when IdrA was on the show a few weeks ago (can't quite remember exactly when, maybe even a month and half ago) and they were talking about how the players in Korea will always be better than foreign players. IdrA made the point that Koreans are better because they have a stronger work ethic and dedication to the game, but iNcontroL relentlessly suggested that foreigners could be just as good if they practiced as hard. But that isn't the point. The point is that they don't practice as hard, so they are worse. It doesn't matter IF foreigners practiced harder, they DON'T.

After awhile these types of arguments do get tiring, where iNcontroL is just pounding away at his "argument" when he is either not qualified to make it or it is just blatantly wrong. I am okay with the guy giving his opinion on topics because a lot of what he has to say is valid, he just shouldn't get in arguments that he simply cannot win.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 16:18:42
December 06 2010 16:18 GMT
#6667
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Says me. That's how these things work, you state your opinion and others are free to disagree
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 06 2010 16:20 GMT
#6668
Day9 likes Banjo-Tooie. Good taste. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
jobiasRKD
Profile Joined June 2008
United States38 Posts
December 06 2010 16:26 GMT
#6669
On December 07 2010 01:04 OreoBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.


I disagree. 5 people with experience podcasting talk about a subject predominantly found on trying to be funny and informative on a podcast and your response seems to brute force the idea that your podcast expertise (which I assume comes from listening to podcasts) trumps all. You actually don't have a point, and go about presenting your argument in a more disappointing way, and I find it tiring to listen to you complainers.


Hey, fair enough. As a listener, I'm just expressing how I feel. I think inControl's an awesome player, and from what I watched over the weekend, he's got potential to be a great caster too. In this one episode of this one podcast, I found his approach to the discussion irritating. We disagree on this and that's cool.
Semantic Collision
Happy.fairytail
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States327 Posts
December 06 2010 16:36 GMT
#6670
YOU"RE UGLY. WHY.


lolol incontrol, hilarious as always
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
December 06 2010 16:49 GMT
#6671
On December 06 2010 17:10 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 16:38 AndAgain wrote:
What's up with Day9 totally blowing off the show? He's hasn't been doing for for forever, misses a big chunk of this show, and then says he has to go catch some zzz's.

Next thing you know he'll start charging per appearance.

User was warned for this post


I bet if your girlfriend woke you up on your birthday with a BJ you'd complain about the lack of breakfast in bed.



Lmao for real.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
December 06 2010 16:54 GMT
#6672
I tend to disagree with Idra and Artosis on the fact that because everyone needs to click of each unit that's bad for zerg because it affects everyone and saying zerg has shitty units is a blatantly terrible statement. Mutas, Banelings...Auto-win. I back iNcontroL up in the fact that the "nerf" affects both terran and zerg equally not toss because it doesn't affect warp-in at all and u normally don't have huge amounts of stargates and robo's.
Cake or Death?
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
December 06 2010 16:54 GMT
#6673
On December 07 2010 01:17 lfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.


Finally people who agree with me, seems like everywhere I go I see praise for the guy but really I can't stand to listen to him most of the time. He can be funny but it is rare, and a lot of the time he is unqualified to rant and argue about a topic especially with people who are very qualified to rant and argue about something. He has trouble coming to the realization that the NA ladder is not the Korean ladder and it never will be, and the opinion of two high level zergs in Korea holds much more weight than his. Although he does give in on some issues (for ex., the pylon blocking), when he doesn't give in he gets really frustrated and starts rambling about some bullshit. Ironically the bullshit he normally says is just telling other people that what they say is bullshit, with no real argument behind it. Look, if Artosis/IdrA say that FG is a counter to Phoenix then it is - they don't need replays to show it. Stargate builds are much more common on Korea as they said so obviously they have a lot of experience vs Phoenix, and yes in general Zergs on Korea are more skilled than NA Zergs (because the players are generally better independent of race) so whatever the Korean Zergs are doing against Phoenix (FG) is probably a good counter to them.

This was also the case when IdrA was on the show a few weeks ago (can't quite remember exactly when, maybe even a month and half ago) and they were talking about how the players in Korea will always be better than foreign players. IdrA made the point that Koreans are better because they have a stronger work ethic and dedication to the game, but iNcontroL relentlessly suggested that foreigners could be just as good if they practiced as hard. But that isn't the point. The point is that they don't practice as hard, so they are worse. It doesn't matter IF foreigners practiced harder, they DON'T.

After awhile these types of arguments do get tiring, where iNcontroL is just pounding away at his "argument" when he is either not qualified to make it or it is just blatantly wrong. I am okay with the guy giving his opinion on topics because a lot of what he has to say is valid, he just shouldn't get in arguments that he simply cannot win.


This. It's one thing to argue constructively or in a humorous way, but it's a whole other thing to make yourself out to be an ass. And thus, this is what we are doing.... posting constructively about him and his methods in arguing his point and how he should refine it to being more logical and proper rather than resisting the more correct answers or even the flat-out truth given by someone else if it goes against his ideas or opinions.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
December 06 2010 16:58 GMT
#6674
Without InControl the show is broken. He is the driver for at 50% to 60% of the content and discussion.

Even if people don't like him, I don't see how there could be as good a show without him.
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
December 06 2010 16:59 GMT
#6675
On December 07 2010 01:26 jobiasRKD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 01:04 OreoBoi wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.


I disagree. 5 people with experience podcasting talk about a subject predominantly found on trying to be funny and informative on a podcast and your response seems to brute force the idea that your podcast expertise (which I assume comes from listening to podcasts) trumps all. You actually don't have a point, and go about presenting your argument in a more disappointing way, and I find it tiring to listen to you complainers.


Hey, fair enough. As a listener, I'm just expressing how I feel. I think inControl's an awesome player, and from what I watched over the weekend, he's got potential to be a great caster too. In this one episode of this one podcast, I found his approach to the discussion irritating. We disagree on this and that's cool.


Nah, I'm just trying to joke around. It was a terrible argument on both sides. Like when artosis and Idra's argument is that "we play on korea, there are no good zergs on NA", any possible argument against them isn't going to do anything.
Jiiks
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland487 Posts
December 06 2010 17:00 GMT
#6676
On December 06 2010 18:25 MrCon wrote:
SotG 23 - mirror-


Thanks!

Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
December 06 2010 17:02 GMT
#6677
--- Nuked ---
GoldenH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 17:19:02
December 06 2010 17:07 GMT
#6678
Chats are dumb don't take them seriously. Hooray for incontrol!
"(Dudes are) not going to say "Buy this game — I cried at the end". (...) I suppose the secret is to find a game that makes you shoot eight million fuckin' dudes and then cry about how awesome it is to shoot eight million fuckin' dudes." - Tim Rogers
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
December 06 2010 17:14 GMT
#6679
On December 07 2010 01:17 lfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.


Finally people who agree with me, seems like everywhere I go I see praise for the guy but really I can't stand to listen to him most of the time. He can be funny but it is rare, and a lot of the time he is unqualified to rant and argue about a topic especially with people who are very qualified to rant and argue about something. He has trouble coming to the realization that the NA ladder is not the Korean ladder and it never will be, and the opinion of two high level zergs in Korea holds much more weight than his. Although he does give in on some issues (for ex., the pylon blocking), when he doesn't give in he gets really frustrated and starts rambling about some bullshit. Ironically the bullshit he normally says is just telling other people that what they say is bullshit, with no real argument behind it. Look, if Artosis/IdrA say that FG is a counter to Phoenix then it is - they don't need replays to show it. Stargate builds are much more common on Korea as they said so obviously they have a lot of experience vs Phoenix, and yes in general Zergs on Korea are more skilled than NA Zergs (because the players are generally better independent of race) so whatever the Korean Zergs are doing against Phoenix (FG) is probably a good counter to them.

This was also the case when IdrA was on the show a few weeks ago (can't quite remember exactly when, maybe even a month and half ago) and they were talking about how the players in Korea will always be better than foreign players. IdrA made the point that Koreans are better because they have a stronger work ethic and dedication to the game, but iNcontroL relentlessly suggested that foreigners could be just as good if they practiced as hard. But that isn't the point. The point is that they don't practice as hard, so they are worse. It doesn't matter IF foreigners practiced harder, they DON'T.

After awhile these types of arguments do get tiring, where iNcontroL is just pounding away at his "argument" when he is either not qualified to make it or it is just blatantly wrong. I am okay with the guy giving his opinion on topics because a lot of what he has to say is valid, he just shouldn't get in arguments that he simply cannot win.

No. First arguing about incontrol saying he's right cuz he Plays on na server and then saying idra and artosis is right cuz they play on Korean server is hypocritical.both of them are presenting their views from each server. No server has a automatic "better" style cuz they all have different styles. Also saying incontrol isn't qualified is also wrong as he's a coach and a progamer. Idk how much more qualified he can be. I could ask you sir what makes you qualified to say who's right and who's wrong?
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 06 2010 17:14 GMT
#6680
On December 07 2010 01:54 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 01:17 lfs wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:45 jobiasRKD wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:35 Shikyo wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:22 fush wrote:
On December 07 2010 00:16 syllogism wrote:
Everyone on the show is good, but incontrol is the main draw honestly


says who? i don't agree with that at all. the show is great because everyone fills a role (minus a regular terran of course). incontrol just happens to be an extremely outspoken and intelligent toss who also seems to attract waves of man love and over-sensitive internet trolls.

Mmm, incontrol is a pretty big turn-off for me, personally. He doesn't support his arguments with anything but "I say this so it must be true" and he really isn't funny to me at all. He also argues about stupid things way too much. It's nice that he was against the extended series, but he couldn't support that argument either... So many things he says just seem so baseless.



I agree. Two players with experience with the Korean ladder talk about a build predominantly found on the Korean server and inControl's response seems to be to brute force the idea that his experience on the North American ladder trumps all. Not that he doesn't have a point, but he goes about presenting it in a really disappointing way and as a listener, I find it tiring to listen to him.


Finally people who agree with me, seems like everywhere I go I see praise for the guy but really I can't stand to listen to him most of the time. He can be funny but it is rare, and a lot of the time he is unqualified to rant and argue about a topic especially with people who are very qualified to rant and argue about something. He has trouble coming to the realization that the NA ladder is not the Korean ladder and it never will be, and the opinion of two high level zergs in Korea holds much more weight than his. Although he does give in on some issues (for ex., the pylon blocking), when he doesn't give in he gets really frustrated and starts rambling about some bullshit. Ironically the bullshit he normally says is just telling other people that what they say is bullshit, with no real argument behind it. Look, if Artosis/IdrA say that FG is a counter to Phoenix then it is - they don't need replays to show it. Stargate builds are much more common on Korea as they said so obviously they have a lot of experience vs Phoenix, and yes in general Zergs on Korea are more skilled than NA Zergs (because the players are generally better independent of race) so whatever the Korean Zergs are doing against Phoenix (FG) is probably a good counter to them.

This was also the case when IdrA was on the show a few weeks ago (can't quite remember exactly when, maybe even a month and half ago) and they were talking about how the players in Korea will always be better than foreign players. IdrA made the point that Koreans are better because they have a stronger work ethic and dedication to the game, but iNcontroL relentlessly suggested that foreigners could be just as good if they practiced as hard. But that isn't the point. The point is that they don't practice as hard, so they are worse. It doesn't matter IF foreigners practiced harder, they DON'T.

After awhile these types of arguments do get tiring, where iNcontroL is just pounding away at his "argument" when he is either not qualified to make it or it is just blatantly wrong. I am okay with the guy giving his opinion on topics because a lot of what he has to say is valid, he just shouldn't get in arguments that he simply cannot win.


This. It's one thing to argue constructively or in a humorous way, but it's a whole other thing to make yourself out to be an ass. And thus, this is what we are doing.... posting constructively about him and his methods in arguing his point and how he should refine it to being more logical and proper rather than resisting the more correct answers or even the flat-out truth given by someone else if it goes against his ideas or opinions.


Actually Incontrol was making a very valid point but just failed to deliver it properly. Artosis/Idra's main argument was that they just have the experience but what Incontrol was trying to say was that they cannot assume that just because they have experience versus a particular brand of P play , that what they perceive as being broken will be broken. He was merely arguing against the "Well Korean server is better thus my experience trumps yours" which is a very bad way to argue. That was his main problem I found with their argument. You have to show proof of your claims not just assume it's a fact.

His other line of argument I found was also quite solid. He merely suggested that the time reduction wouldn't all of a sudden make Phoenixs OP. Merely make them slightly better at their job. That seems quite reasonable. The Phoenix isn't like the Reaper where it has a very small timing window to be effective. It's a far broader unit. Idra also touched on the fact that fungal + Time might make it OP but in reality I think if there was no time reduction and just fungal the same line of thought would be there(Protoss air too powerful).

Overall I just think Incontrol battled to really construct and deliver his arguments. Not a fact that he was just being some "ass" or "wrong".

ps: Incontrol I think you are perfectly fine on the show. Just don't read chat ^_^
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