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Mortecian
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada87 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 18:22:02
December 01 2010 18:20 GMT
#6081
I'll one-up the extended series and say we should have extended matches. in BO3.

If you win the first match, you start with bonus workers, and an extra expansion. Or, if you win the match, you pick the next map. Why should loser pick if we reward winning first, seriously. If you are the better player, you should win -everything-. O wait.

OR, we take off a digit of the losing player per match lost in a BO5. Looking forward to the tournament who implements this rule.
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 20:04:35
December 01 2010 18:24 GMT
#6082
edit.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Paver
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia105 Posts
December 01 2010 18:35 GMT
#6083
IMO

Discussion of Extended series needs be skipped for a few shows (i.e 100 or so).

Incontrol was pretty good.

Mr MLG was way too diplomatic.

Was sad Idra was kicked for some other guy.

Action Jesuz is a boss.



cig
gorath
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany19 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 18:43:35
December 01 2010 18:40 GMT
#6084
Double elimination though much better than single elimination, is slightly imbalanced in that everyone but the winner's bracket finalist is given a 'second chance'.
Thats not true. Usually the player coming from the loser bracket has to win two BoX sets to take the overall final - if not, that tournament sucks. DE means that everyone who loses two sets in the whole tournament is eliminated sooner or later and that the winner of the tournament ist the only one who only dropped one set (or none).

The problem with extended series is that it punishes a player that has already been punished by
a) being on the brink of elimination in every set he is going to play (read: pressure)
b) having to play more rounds
c) having to beat the (second) best player twice in a row to win it all.

Two players A and B can be so similar in terms of skill and performance that they could go 2:0, 1:2, 1:2 in Bo3s (4:4 overall) and yet player A would win because he may get the 4 wins earlier. In a game where you can lose by so small mistakes, how ist that fair? In fact, the only way where I see use for an extended series (by one game) is a case where two players in the overall final are 4:4 in terms of maps but 2:1 in Bo3s - then you could argue to just add one final and deciding map.

I also think that every series is a microcosm and should be treated individually. Leading a series 1:0 might influence both players to play different than it being 1:1 or 0:1.

And what I completely miss is this: why do you have to further increase the advantage that the (supposedly) better player has (or should have) anyway? In terms of fair competition it is just stupid to do that. Following that logic, you could also play a Bo1 and use the same "Well, he won, so he is better so he should get rewarded and his opponent punished!"-logic. If one player is better, then winning 1 out of 2 Bo3s should also be a completely viable way to determine this, right?
Lyrok
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany85 Posts
December 01 2010 18:44 GMT
#6085
On December 02 2010 03:35 Paver wrote:
IMO

Discussion of Extended series needs be skipped for a few shows (i.e 100 or so).


Second that.

"We think multiple matchups should not be connected in a tournament!"
"Well, we think multiple matchups should be connected in a tournament!"
"Yeah ok, but we think matchups should not be connected in a tournament!"

Also, shoutout to Hark Moffman for making Blizzcon 2007 absolutely hilarious to watch :D
gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
December 01 2010 18:46 GMT
#6086
I like how you make fun of europe, but fulfill all prejudices we have against americans. super food and hamburgers, lol.

keep it up, guys !

and lol about mark hoffmann, he isnt even good in german (watched him in wc3)
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
December 01 2010 19:12 GMT
#6087
Disappointed with the extended series discussion. Neither iNcontrol nor Lee came close to articulating a good argument for their respective positions, it was just utterances. I expected them to have thought it through more.
maliceee
Profile Joined August 2010
United States634 Posts
December 01 2010 19:42 GMT
#6088
I love the argument of "everyone else does it". what a fucking stupid reason/argument.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 01 2010 20:03 GMT
#6089
GET SOME
DoubleLariat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada190 Posts
December 01 2010 20:09 GMT
#6090
Hey... it's inControl and Kennigit against the guy that said he was going to go to law school if he didn't play SC2.

I'm not saying that incontrol and kennitigt are dumb... not at all... but who the hell do you think is going to win that argument? =P
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 01 2010 20:10 GMT
#6091
I was going to go to God school but I didn't.

Sup?
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
December 01 2010 20:13 GMT
#6092
i felt like that mlg guy really didnt add a whole lot to the show. i was waiting for something new to be announced or whatever the whole time but nothing was ever said =(
Disciple....Top 3 control in Clarion County
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2010 20:14 GMT
#6093
Was that guy "mr. mlg"? Because he was completely incoherent
DoubleLariat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada190 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 20:16:51
December 01 2010 20:16 GMT
#6094
On December 02 2010 05:10 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I was going to go to God school but I didn't.

Sup?


Psh... God doesn't need to know how to argue like a lawyer.

He just needs to climb the ladder like a boss and show them what's up!!!

Grats on 29th on the ladder man =D
enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
December 01 2010 20:16 GMT
#6095
How can i hear it live? It is live right now, isnt it?
1on1 auf azze no he no flash no awp only holztor. | Ja, da meint der ich hätt' abgeschmatzt, aber dat is Quatsch, verstehste?
Amyris
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom77 Posts
December 01 2010 20:19 GMT
#6096
On December 02 2010 05:16 enemy2010 wrote:
How can i hear it live? It is live right now, isnt it?


You're about 12 hours too late
enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
December 01 2010 20:21 GMT
#6097
On December 02 2010 05:19 LazE wrote:

You're about 12 hours too late


Oh :D

Well, i watched a stream some seconds ago and there was the podcast. So i thought it is live.

Sorry
1on1 auf azze no he no flash no awp only holztor. | Ja, da meint der ich hätt' abgeschmatzt, aber dat is Quatsch, verstehste?
zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
December 01 2010 20:22 GMT
#6098
On December 02 2010 05:13 FrankWalls wrote:
i felt like that mlg guy really didnt add a whole lot to the show. i was waiting for something new to be announced or whatever the whole time but nothing was ever said =(


Yeah, i was expecting some big announcement, but was left disappointed. The rest of the podcast was awesome like usual though.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crown and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
December 01 2010 20:24 GMT
#6099
No offense to everyone who is posting here about extended series, but is this thread really the place to debate extended series? (as if JP, Tyler, Day[9], iNcontroL, and MLG_Lee haven't talked it to death already)

Good job on the show guys, I really enjoyed it live, though I did not get any work done last night. I think the fact that it is live, and the interactivity makes it a lot better than just a recorded podcast, and you guys don't need video like DJ Wheat, its cool and all but just being live and responding to the irc people is awesome.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
FeeL_ThE_RusH
Profile Joined February 2010
Ireland227 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 20:26:05
December 01 2010 20:25 GMT
#6100
Watched(listened) live last night, great show. Thought the extended series discussion was interesting since I thought it was a dumb rule, and still do. Will watch again probably, though finishing at ~7am my time wasn't too awesome

Thankfully snow has got my classes cancelled for a couple of days!
#starcraft.ie on Quakenet, Irish SC2ers assemble
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