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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
April 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#53381
Extra content and a portal could be nice.
The Bomber boy
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
April 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#53382
On April 26 2013 06:27 shaldengeki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 06:22 Exarl25 wrote:
Why is everyone acting like it's only America getting screwed here? Blizzard made all regions equal in prize money as if they are equal in skill and that's where these problems are coming from in the first place. If you just region lock things then that is incredibly unfair to the Koreans, it's just punishing them for being better. WCS Korea prize money needs to be higher than the other regions, and not just 25% higher or some shit, they should be getting at least 5x as much. Do that and region lock it all and everything is nice and fair. Blizzard pretending that the monumental skill gap between regions simply doesn't exist is the root cause of these problems.

I think the issue is that there's more motivating this system than just "everything should be a pure meritocracy".

We all recognize that there's nothing inherent in Europeans / Americans that makes them less-good at SC2 than Koreans. So if you ever want non-Koreans to be as good as Koreans in general, you need to give them special attention and in particular spend more money incentivizing and training them.

It's the same reason why we have progressive tax brackets. People at the bottom don't really deserve to be at the bottom a lot of the time; there are a lot of people who have the potential to be top-tier players, but for external reasons would never get there without some assistance.


Are you completely missing the point I'm making? Sure give the foreigners a helping hand, but do it WITHOUT sucking money out of the Korean scene and screwing over everyone who isn't a Life or Innovation caliber player.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
April 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#53383
Honestly, Cloaken is just dodging questions left and right. "We're sorry, we're sorry! We can do better" - how about some action? announce how you will fix this. Explain why things wen't wrong from your point of view.
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
April 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#53384
They really shouldn't have taken control over the scene if they only had 4 fucking people and nothing was ready. Blizzard should have just fucked off until they were ready instead of screwing over people.
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
April 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#53385
Wow, Cloaken is bullshitting so badly, it hurts. The more hard questions TB asks, the more hot air comes out of Cloaken -.-
And apparently, not only Sundance gets it .....
bonus vir semper tiro
Hatorade
Profile Joined July 2010
299 Posts
April 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#53386
Can't help but feel bad for this guy, but hopefully this will lead to some changes and improvements. Seems like most of this stuff is just them not having enough manpower/organization and that may not be this guys fault.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
April 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#53387
RIP Cloaken, we knew ye well.

Someone else tag in.
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
April 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#53388
On April 26 2013 06:30 mataxp wrote:
I really dont want to hear "we can do better" I mean cloaken seems like a cool guy, but it just seems like a lame explanation.


What other responses do people expect? This was a clusterfuck that everyone should have seen coming a mile away for the first season.

I don't really understand why we have to keep beating this dead horse.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
April 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#53389
I'm sad that TB didn't hold him to explaining why Blizzard says it's committed to region growth but at the same time allows Koreans to come in and completely rape and pillage the WCS NA scene. Korean pillaging =/= NA scene growth

At least the Blizzard rep is holding strong and coming up with legit-enough answers. If it was just a repeat of the MLG-non-apology I'd have finally committed and switched to DOTA 2.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
April 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#53390
On April 26 2013 06:31 Schelim wrote:
i feel a little bad for the blizzard bro tbh. it's like he was sent out as the sacrifical lamb.


Don't be, he's doing great. The stabs are not sticking; he does what a good PR guy does; "everyone, I understand your frustration. We can do what you are asking, and we are doing it. Just give us some more time. And for your confidence now, i'll trade you some more behind-the-scene-information. Have confidence because the future will be great."
월요 날 재미있
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 25 2013 21:35 GMT
#53391
WCS last year was like 50 LAN events

Too much work.
h0munkulus
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1481 Posts
April 25 2013 21:35 GMT
#53392
I hope they ask him if they have a business model for their esports engagement, or if they only see it as an extended community and marketing service. What will happen to WCS when Blizzard has no more SC2 content coming out, but are releasing Warcraft 4? Will they continue to support SC2, or will their esport support only extend to their latest products?
Ippo
Profile Joined November 2010
708 Posts
April 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#53393
I have to correct TB: "American people can't point out on the map."
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
April 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#53394
On April 26 2013 06:34 Mauldo wrote:
I'm sad that TB didn't hold him to explaining why Blizzard says it's committed to region growth but at the same time allows Koreans to come in and completely rape and pillage the WCS NA scene. Korean pillaging =/= NA scene growth

At least the Blizzard rep is holding strong and coming up with legit-enough answers. If it was just a repeat of the MLG-non-apology I'd have finally committed and switched to DOTA 2.


Holy fucking shit, the Koreans are getting screwed over just as bad. Why the hell is no one speaking up for them? Acting like they are rolling in stolen cash when the vast majority of them are simply slaving away in team houses all day for nothing.
AstroPegnuin
Profile Joined November 2012
293 Posts
April 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#53395
Blizzard didn't want to partner with NASL because they actually own up to their mistakes

MLG is a much better partner for them, they get it!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#53396
On April 26 2013 06:31 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 06:27 Dodgin wrote:
What are the ex-IPL employees doing?

Working on Hearthstone?

Oh, he's mentioning it right now


I'd follow hearthstone, but there's too many story lines for me to follow.
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ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
April 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#53397
thx TB, spot on
JANGBI never forget
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
April 25 2013 21:37 GMT
#53398
On April 26 2013 06:33 Thrax wrote:
Honestly, Cloaken is just dodging questions left and right. "We're sorry, we're sorry! We can do better" - how about some action? announce how you will fix this. Explain why things wen't wrong from your point of view.


Yeah, I bugs me so much that he's not answering any questions at all, he's avoiding them.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
April 25 2013 21:37 GMT
#53399
So does people actually think that the previous WCS model was better for grassroot growth?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 25 2013 21:37 GMT
#53400
This all sounds great

Can't wait for 2015 when It's ready
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