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On November 19 2010 11:15 fauxreal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:08 timbo wrote:On November 19 2010 10:42 Priapus wrote:
I really love that they pretty much openly mock the people arguing in the threads but you guys don't let it stop you. Yeah well i love how hypocritical it is of the guys who spend 3hours debating and discussing starcraft to then laugh at listeners who spend 5minutes adding their 2cents to the discussion. Its almost as if they are suprised after spending 45minutes on a topic such as extended series that the listeners have their own opinions on it they might want to put forth. Its kinda strange how they don't embrace and encourage listeners to add to the discussion, i mean if the topics are that uninteresting and unimportant why are they even brought up on the podcast in the first place. Not to pick sides, but, it might have something to do with the fact that they're all professional gamers and majority of people here are barely platinum players who think they deserve to be in diamond.  Not that their opinion are completely obsolete, it however does hold a lot less merit.
It's called being a fan, you goof-nut.
And besides, sometimes be a fan or observer makes you MORE impartial, and less biased about a player's play or an issue surrounding the game.
InControl himself said it best: just because he's not the best player on the planet, or better than such-and-such player, doesn't mean he can't be RIGHT.
Here's an example: it's obvious to anyone that IdrA would greatly benefit from having teammates in Korea, and that other players (foreigners and Zergs) are improving and catching up to his skill level since the Beta ended. Now InControl or IdrA would never go as far as criticize their team's management, but it's obvious by InControl's comments that he would agree that EG should establish a team in Korea as soon as humanly possible.
The truth is, the window for ANY foreign team to get players in the GSL is NOW. Once the S-class and A-class players are determined, it's going to be a lot harder for a random player like Torch to qualify. They are going to have to be at the top of the ladder even to play in a qualifying tournament, and the A and S-class players would have to seriously slump in their play to drop out.
Now I'm sure there's a lot of extenuating circumstances that need to be considered -- relocating a bunch of semi-proven American players is complicated and risky -- but the past three GSLs where the best chance for any foreign team to establish a presence in Korea. I'm sure EG is going to have a great team in Korea at some point, but I think they dropped the ball a little on that front. They missed a great opportunity to make a splash "the easy way".
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On November 19 2010 12:30 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:15 fauxreal wrote:On November 19 2010 11:08 timbo wrote:On November 19 2010 10:42 Priapus wrote:
I really love that they pretty much openly mock the people arguing in the threads but you guys don't let it stop you. Yeah well i love how hypocritical it is of the guys who spend 3hours debating and discussing starcraft to then laugh at listeners who spend 5minutes adding their 2cents to the discussion. Its almost as if they are suprised after spending 45minutes on a topic such as extended series that the listeners have their own opinions on it they might want to put forth. Its kinda strange how they don't embrace and encourage listeners to add to the discussion, i mean if the topics are that uninteresting and unimportant why are they even brought up on the podcast in the first place. Not to pick sides, but, it might have something to do with the fact that they're all professional gamers and majority of people here are barely platinum players who think they deserve to be in diamond. Not that their opinion are completely obsolete, it however does hold a lot less merit. It's called being a fan, you goof-nut. And besides, sometimes be a fan or observer makes you MORE impartial, and less biased about a player's play or an issue surrounding the game. InControl himself said it best: just because he's not the best player on the planet, or better than such-and-such player, doesn't mean he can't be RIGHT.Here's an example: it's obvious to anyone that IdrA would greatly benefit from having teammates in Korea, and that other players (foreigners and Zergs) are improving and catching up to his skill level since the Beta ended. Now InControl or IdrA would never go as far as criticize their team's management, but it's obvious by InControl's comments that he would agree that EG should establish a team in Korea as soon as humanly possible. The truth is, the window for ANY foreign team to get players in the GSL is NOW. Once the S-class and A-class players are determined, it's going to be a lot harder for a random player like Torch to qualify. They are going to have to be at the top of the ladder even to play in a qualifying tournament, and the A and S-class players would have to seriously slump in their play to drop out. Now I'm sure there's a lot of extenuating circumstances that need to be considered -- relocating a bunch of semi-proven American players is complicated and risky -- but the past three GSLs where the best chance for any foreign team to establish a presence in Korea. I'm sure EG is going to have a great team in Korea at some point, but I think they dropped the ball a little on that front. They missed a great opportunity to make a splash "the easy way".
I agree with a lot your points, but torch is no longer a "random player." He was recruited by Startale recently.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169884
(Don't mean to be BM by this, Torch fighting!)
EG has a team already in Korea, his name is Greg Fields :D. You're right, they missed a huge chance starting a team. Even if they just called it a team house, and transported players over to play on the ladder, and allowed players to freely travel for tournaments, that would get EG's name out everywhere. Don't forget though, EG has international sponsors, and their products appeal to everyone, not just koreans. People watch a lot of LAN/B.net tournaments in Europe and US. EG's name is best spread everywhere, from a corporate standpoint.
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On November 19 2010 12:53 GarchompSC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:30 Defacer wrote:On November 19 2010 11:15 fauxreal wrote:On November 19 2010 11:08 timbo wrote:On November 19 2010 10:42 Priapus wrote:
I really love that they pretty much openly mock the people arguing in the threads but you guys don't let it stop you. Yeah well i love how hypocritical it is of the guys who spend 3hours debating and discussing starcraft to then laugh at listeners who spend 5minutes adding their 2cents to the discussion. Its almost as if they are suprised after spending 45minutes on a topic such as extended series that the listeners have their own opinions on it they might want to put forth. Its kinda strange how they don't embrace and encourage listeners to add to the discussion, i mean if the topics are that uninteresting and unimportant why are they even brought up on the podcast in the first place. Not to pick sides, but, it might have something to do with the fact that they're all professional gamers and majority of people here are barely platinum players who think they deserve to be in diamond. Not that their opinion are completely obsolete, it however does hold a lot less merit. It's called being a fan, you goof-nut. And besides, sometimes be a fan or observer makes you MORE impartial, and less biased about a player's play or an issue surrounding the game. InControl himself said it best: just because he's not the best player on the planet, or better than such-and-such player, doesn't mean he can't be RIGHT.Here's an example: it's obvious to anyone that IdrA would greatly benefit from having teammates in Korea, and that other players (foreigners and Zergs) are improving and catching up to his skill level since the Beta ended. Now InControl or IdrA would never go as far as criticize their team's management, but it's obvious by InControl's comments that he would agree that EG should establish a team in Korea as soon as humanly possible. The truth is, the window for ANY foreign team to get players in the GSL is NOW. Once the S-class and A-class players are determined, it's going to be a lot harder for a random player like Torch to qualify. They are going to have to be at the top of the ladder even to play in a qualifying tournament, and the A and S-class players would have to seriously slump in their play to drop out. Now I'm sure there's a lot of extenuating circumstances that need to be considered -- relocating a bunch of semi-proven American players is complicated and risky -- but the past three GSLs where the best chance for any foreign team to establish a presence in Korea. I'm sure EG is going to have a great team in Korea at some point, but I think they dropped the ball a little on that front. They missed a great opportunity to make a splash "the easy way". I agree with a lot your points, but torch is no longer a "random player." He was recruited by Startale recently. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169884(Don't mean to be BM by this, Torch fighting!) EG has a team already in Korea, his name is Greg Fields :D. You're right, they missed a huge chance starting a team. Even if they just called it a team house, and transported players over to play on the ladder, and allowed players to freely travel for tournaments, that would get EG's name out everywhere. Don't forget though, EG has international sponsors, and their products appeal to everyone, not just koreans. People watch a lot of LAN/B.net tournaments in Europe and US. EG's name is best spread everywhere, from a corporate standpoint.
True. The point is that Torch made a name for himself by going out on a limb and qualifying for the first GSL1, and at the time he wasn't as good a player as InControl or Machine (and to be honest, probably still isn't). But because he put himself out there, his game has improved, he's developed a following, built relationships with Korea players, and now has the opportunity to play in Korea full-time.
Part me thinks that if EG wants to grow their brand slowly in Korea and mitigate their risks, they should consider drafting Korean players. What's Cella up to, for instance? Does he have a new team yet?
Hindsight is a bitch, but they should have just sent three or four players to the first 3 GSL qualifiers. They could have taken their time with the Team House, but still sent players just to play to odds.
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I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA.
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Nony, Day, Tyler, and Inc.
Please never stop reading the forums. Like Tyler said, it is 10 people who are It is the loudest asshole who is being heard, similar to what happens in politics.
EGCella would be fucking redonkulous. Guy can def speak good enough english to get along with Inc Idra and whoever else they send (Machine next, I'm thinkin)
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On November 19 2010 14:07 Butigroove wrote:Nony, Day, Tyler, and Inc. Please never stop reading the forums. Like Tyler said, it is 10 stupidest people who are heard, and 100 who are praiseful and understand that you do your best. It is the loudest asshole who is being heard, similar to what happens in politics. Except Inc, in which case he ahs 10 dumbasses in this thread to every 1 person appreciating;) Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. EGCella would be fucking redonkulous. Guy can def speak good enough english to get along with Inc Idra and whoever else they send (Machine next, I'm thinkin)
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On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA.
And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless.
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On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA.
Let's not get crazy. I think everyone in Korea would know GSL Champion EG IdrA.
But yeah EG Cella, man. That guy is hilarious. And they should definitely send Machine. Although I guess it would be weird to have a 3 Zerg + 1 Toss team.
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On November 19 2010 14:08 JPSke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless.
Yeah, I got to give credit to EG for that move. Hiring Tasteless was an amazing call. He spreads the name like wildfire. If they could get Artosis or Husky or HD on board they would have a little internet media empire.
Team Liquid is great, but it's seems dicey that the best team also has total control over the primary SC2 news resource for, like, 90% of the hardcore fanbase.
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On November 19 2010 14:42 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 14:08 JPSke wrote:On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless. Yeah, I got to give credit to EG for that move. Hiring Tasteless was an amazing call. He spreads the name like wildfire. If they could get Artosis or Husky or HD on board they would have a little internet media empire. Team Liquid is great, but it's seems dicey that the best team also has total control over the primary SC2 news resource for, like, 90% of the hardcore fanbase.
I'm pretty sure team liquid was founded as a clan/sc team I, just because they have a big role as a forum, news provider now quite a few years later, doesn't mean they can't have a team anymore. Of course the articles are going to have a team bias, but you got to look past that. Maybe cause Im a team liquid fan boy I don't see it the way you see it or something?
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I humbly request a player mentioned in this podcast by PainUser himself: the two-game (might be only one game soon) e-sports star Nadagast be invited to the next podcast. I think he could bring a lot to the table as a low-key but strong Terran player, and as someone who has competed at a really high level in another game. I don't know where else to put this, so I hope JP still reads this thread
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On November 19 2010 14:47 BraveGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 14:42 Defacer wrote:On November 19 2010 14:08 JPSke wrote:On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless. Yeah, I got to give credit to EG for that move. Hiring Tasteless was an amazing call. He spreads the name like wildfire. If they could get Artosis or Husky or HD on board they would have a little internet media empire. Team Liquid is great, but it's seems dicey that the best team also has total control over the primary SC2 news resource for, like, 90% of the hardcore fanbase. I'm pretty sure team liquid was founded as a clan/sc team I, just because they have a big role as a forum, news provider now quite a few years later, doesn't mean they can't have a team anymore. Of course the articles are going to have a team bias, but you got to look past that. Maybe cause Im a team liquid fan boy I don't see it the way you see it or something?
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm a Team Liquid fan too, and I'm not inferring that they should disband or separate or anything ridiculous like that. I'm just trying to imagine the situation from the point of view of an EG owner or investor.
Team Liquid built this site and community from scratch. They are totally within their right to do whatever they want with it. The truth is that Team Liquid doesn't owe any other team anything.
If I were the owner of another team, I would look at ways that I could cover my ass by trying to get as much exposure as possible, or developing my own media presence. You never know what will happen.
Imagine if IdrA stole Liquid Nazgul's girlfriend. There goes all your coverage on the biggest SC2 site right there.
I know that sounds preposterous, but the older I get the more I see that kind of shit happening.
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On November 19 2010 14:42 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 14:08 JPSke wrote:On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless. Yeah, I got to give credit to EG for that move. Hiring Tasteless was an amazing call. He spreads the name like wildfire. If they could get Artosis or Husky or HD on board they would have a little internet media empire. Team Liquid is great, but it's seems dicey that the best team also has total control over the primary SC2 news resource for, like, 90% of the hardcore fanbase.
Maybe because they run the best site/forums? TL has a long standing good reputation and that's why they are the most flocked to. It's nobody's fault. I don't see how thats "dicey"
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On November 19 2010 15:23 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 14:42 Defacer wrote:On November 19 2010 14:08 JPSke wrote:On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless. Yeah, I got to give credit to EG for that move. Hiring Tasteless was an amazing call. He spreads the name like wildfire. If they could get Artosis or Husky or HD on board they would have a little internet media empire. Team Liquid is great, but it's seems dicey that the best team also has total control over the primary SC2 news resource for, like, 90% of the hardcore fanbase. Maybe because they run the best site/forums? TL has a long standing good reputation and that's why they are the most flocked to. It's nobody's fault. I don't see how thats "dicey"
Just to clarify, I meant "dicey for any team other than TL." It's great for the fans and TL that they run a good site. I'm not criticizing Team Liquid at all.
I'm just saying the situation represents a risk to other teams, if they rely on Team Liquid too heavily to communicate or promote their brand. And like I said in another post, that isn't TL's problem, that's the other teams.
Why do you think EGAlex made a 2000+word post in the GSL Qualifier thread? He's obviously aware of situation and already thinking far ahead.
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On November 19 2010 16:18 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 15:23 happyness wrote:On November 19 2010 14:42 Defacer wrote:On November 19 2010 14:08 JPSke wrote:On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless. Yeah, I got to give credit to EG for that move. Hiring Tasteless was an amazing call. He spreads the name like wildfire. If they could get Artosis or Husky or HD on board they would have a little internet media empire. Team Liquid is great, but it's seems dicey that the best team also has total control over the primary SC2 news resource for, like, 90% of the hardcore fanbase. Maybe because they run the best site/forums? TL has a long standing good reputation and that's why they are the most flocked to. It's nobody's fault. I don't see how thats "dicey" Just to clarify, I meant "dicey for any team other than TL." It's great for the fans and TL that they run a good site. I'm not criticizing Team Liquid at all. I'm just saying the situation represents a risk to other teams, if they rely on Team Liquid too heavily to communicate or promote their brand. And like I said in another post, that isn't TL's problem, that's the other teams. Why do you think EGAlex made a 2000+word post in the GSL Qualifier thread? He's obviously aware of situation and already thinking far ahead.
I don't exactly agree.
I have FPS background, and back then, every country or region had it's 2 or 3 competing main sites for content, and, although monopolies can counter quality, it's awesome for starcraft that there is one great ressource as TL.net is as a gathering place for all people all over the world to communicate. It prevents communities tunnel view.
And I think, you must differ a bit about TL.net as site and TLAF as team in that issue, or am i mistaken?
back to SotG: thanks JP for featuring my question! :-)
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On November 19 2010 16:18 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 15:23 happyness wrote:On November 19 2010 14:42 Defacer wrote:On November 19 2010 14:08 JPSke wrote:On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless. Yeah, I got to give credit to EG for that move. Hiring Tasteless was an amazing call. He spreads the name like wildfire. If they could get Artosis or Husky or HD on board they would have a little internet media empire. Team Liquid is great, but it's seems dicey that the best team also has total control over the primary SC2 news resource for, like, 90% of the hardcore fanbase. Maybe because they run the best site/forums? TL has a long standing good reputation and that's why they are the most flocked to. It's nobody's fault. I don't see how thats "dicey" Just to clarify, I meant "dicey for any team other than TL." It's great for the fans and TL that they run a good site. I'm not criticizing Team Liquid at all. I'm just saying the situation represents a risk to other teams, if they rely on Team Liquid too heavily to communicate or promote their brand. And like I said in another post, that isn't TL's problem, that's the other teams. Why do you think EGAlex made a 2000+word post in the GSL Qualifier thread? He's obviously aware of situation and already thinking far ahead.
I kind of guess this is true in a very theoretical sense from a sponsor / investor point of view. But I would hope any sponsor involved in starcraft would do there homework enough to understand this theoretical possibility is so far removed from reality that they wouldn't even bother factoring it into business plan.
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On November 19 2010 19:18 Shadowolf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 16:18 Defacer wrote:On November 19 2010 15:23 happyness wrote:On November 19 2010 14:42 Defacer wrote:On November 19 2010 14:08 JPSke wrote:On November 19 2010 13:56 RmoteCntrld wrote:
I guarantee everyone in Korea knows who EG because of IdrA. And because Tasteless has designed his pants to rub together in such a way that they repeat E. G. E. G. every time he takes a step. Always be pimpin Tasteless. Yeah, I got to give credit to EG for that move. Hiring Tasteless was an amazing call. He spreads the name like wildfire. If they could get Artosis or Husky or HD on board they would have a little internet media empire. Team Liquid is great, but it's seems dicey that the best team also has total control over the primary SC2 news resource for, like, 90% of the hardcore fanbase. Maybe because they run the best site/forums? TL has a long standing good reputation and that's why they are the most flocked to. It's nobody's fault. I don't see how thats "dicey" Just to clarify, I meant "dicey for any team other than TL." It's great for the fans and TL that they run a good site. I'm not criticizing Team Liquid at all. I'm just saying the situation represents a risk to other teams, if they rely on Team Liquid too heavily to communicate or promote their brand. And like I said in another post, that isn't TL's problem, that's the other teams. Why do you think EGAlex made a 2000+word post in the GSL Qualifier thread? He's obviously aware of situation and already thinking far ahead. I kind of guess this is true in a very theoretical sense from a sponsor / investor point of view. But I would hope any sponsor involved in starcraft would do there homework enough to understand this theoretical possibility is so far removed from reality that they wouldn't even bother factoring it into business plan.
Hey, maybe you're right. Why bother factoring this kind of stuff in when you can put your success in someone else's hands, right?
Personally, I'd try to think out-of-the-box. Like expanding my team to include non-players and content producers ... such as the best English-speaking commentator in Korea who happens to already have a job casting the largest SC2 tournament in the world. You know, crazy crap like that.
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This show was all kinds of awesome. PainUser is great. Day9 was on fire. InControl was hilarious for all the WRONG reasons for once :D
Am now a PainUser fan.
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PainUser needs to come on as a full time host, I'm sick of hearing all this Zerg/Toss bashing Terran
No one knows how hard it is to be Terran, nothing can beat pure roach 
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