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JaeRaeGu
Profile Joined February 2012
Korea (South)34 Posts
June 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#47561
holy shit this is unreal.. some people just love to have drama, I wonder how reddit looks right now, probably even worse than this.
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
June 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#47562
was a bit weird with them bringing avilo on and having him cut off because idra doesn't like him?
was cringeworthy
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Ireniicus
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom374 Posts
June 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#47563
On June 29 2012 12:03 cydial wrote:
It's like a bunch of bullies from high school inviting someone they don't like to the cool kids table then making fun of him and kicking him out rofl, you guys are fucking pathetic excuses for people and players.


Exactly
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#47564
On June 29 2012 12:03 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 12:00 Jinsho wrote:
Really JP? You bring this avilo guy on, who has no credentials, no skill, no results anywhere all, and let him talk? Was that segment supposed to be a joke? Did you want to fuel sweet reddit drama?

How can anyone play Terran and not facepalm because this fool was chosen to be their representative where dozen others would have been able to a better job? This was embarassingly bad JP, and you are the cause for this, because you provided him a platform for people to laugh at.

Have some standards please and say "no" to clowns like him.

newsflash, nobody on state of the game has any results or skill. They have all fallen off the map and is more of an entertaining entity now.

Maybe if they spend more time playing sc2 they might have better results. I mean, I just saw huk, demuslim and bunch of other pros walking around chatting. I have a good feeling puma is the only one there actually going full force at practicing

OH MY FUCKING GOD THEY TALKED TO EACHOTHER IN THE TEAMHOUSE?!

Even though none of them are really having any success or results in the game they can still talk balance, wtf are you talking about? Idra doesn't really do well atm, but he's a really smart guy and what he says about balance isn't complete utter bullshit as you want it to be. Same goes for QXC.
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Shewklad
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden482 Posts
June 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#47565
"Please express your opinions without resorting to personal attacks." - Oh the irony.
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beatitudes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States167 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 03:09:36
June 29 2012 03:09 GMT
#47566
i wont be tuning in ever again. not worth my time after that. simple as that
<3
Ireniicus
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 03:11:09
June 29 2012 03:09 GMT
#47567
On June 29 2012 12:04 LgNKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 12:03 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:00 Jinsho wrote:
Really JP? You bring this avilo guy on, who has no credentials, no skill, no results anywhere all, and let him talk? Was that segment supposed to be a joke? Did you want to fuel sweet reddit drama?

How can anyone play Terran and not facepalm because this fool was chosen to be their representative where dozen others would have been able to a better job? This was embarassingly bad JP, and you are the cause for this, because you provided him a platform for people to laugh at.

Have some standards please and say "no" to clowns like him.

newsflash, nobody on state of the game has any results or skill. They have all fallen off the map and is more of an entertaining entity now.

Maybe if they spend more time playing sc2 they might have better results. I mean, I just saw huk, demuslim and bunch of other pros walking around chatting. I have a good feeling puma is the only one there actually going full force at practicing


wow i couldn't have said it any better myself.



It is a frat house..however thats up to them if they want to squander their golden chance. Bullying is not..I understand this is a young persons industry but in 99% of firms what I just saw would have resulted in some form of disciplinary action
Vekalisk
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Australia137 Posts
June 29 2012 03:09 GMT
#47568
Community wants him on knowing full well what will happen and gets angry when he gets exactly what everyone knew would happen. Pretty fucking typical.
Twitter: @Vekalisk
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
June 29 2012 03:09 GMT
#47569
On June 29 2012 12:01 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:57 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:54 Dosey wrote:
To people complaining about the "STFU" and the resulting hang up...

IdrA was tame for the better half of the "debate" even though he obviously dislikes Avilo and didn't even want to talk to him. Avilo even came on the show acting like a passive aggressive prick and should have been hung up on right then and there. You can even tell it crossed JPs mind until Geoff hopped in and said "This is your only chance, don't blow it"

After IdrA attempting to be tame, Avilo totally blows it by interrupting him in the middle of talking and screaming "I agree with you!! I AGREE WITH YOU!!!!" Completely twisting IdrAs point around to favor his argument. This would anger anyone having a discussion with some random person, let alone someone you explicitly dislike. At that point, JP had to hang up on him or risk a further blow up from IdrA.


are we watching the same show? Idra has been going full force in ad-hominem attacks and interrupting avilo nonstop before it even escalated to that point


Avilo selectivly took parts of Idra's argument and then made it seem as if Idra was agreeing with Avilo which was not correct,

how do you stop someone doing that and then not paying attention to you telling them that you're not fucking agreeing with them


This. I love how people just missed the part where Avilo didn't listen to Idra at all and took out random unrelated parts of his argument and says that he "agrees with him." Idra was actually calmer and more reasonable than i expected until Avilo started to do that. I feel like the people in this thread weren't actually listening to illogical things that Avilo was saying.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
June 29 2012 03:09 GMT
#47570
On June 29 2012 12:03 dvorakftw wrote:
1. JP cutting off avilo was the most unprofessional thing I've ever seen him do. Simply terrible. And the apology at the end of the show doesn't really cut it.

2. IdrA's anti-MKP thing would be cute as a joke but I know realize he means it. I won't try to psychoanalyze Greg but maybe he can explain why MKP is so terrible when MKP's results are so so so much better. Here's a thought Greg, MKP is current IPL Fight Club champ. Challenge him, beat him, win some money, and show how great you really are.

3. IdrA's advice seems to be both to stop doing the same builds but also keep doing the same builds but just run the hellions past the queens. He also thinks Terrans can match economies with greedy zergs and they can do late game tech switches as quickly and easily as zergs. Maybe instead of iNcontroL vs. avilo we need a race-switch IdrA vs avilo match and see how 3 oribital's worth of MULEs keep up with 90 drones - Remember Terrans are also supposed to do a lot more scanning these days too.

4. TvZ in GSL this season? This is a few days old but just add about 2 or 3 to each side: GS race stats . It's still under 30%. But hey, just give it a few more months right? Just need some more time to figure it out....



I don't really thinking using U&D statistics for Season 3 is fair. Esp, since the patch came out like RIGHT before U&D. The 6-4 Ro32 statistic in favor of Terran is far more telling in.
TheZanthex
Profile Joined January 2012
United States144 Posts
June 29 2012 03:09 GMT
#47571
On June 29 2012 12:05 DanM wrote:
That was my last StoG show that I will watch with Idra on the panel. Pretty evident that guy does not belong in this scene. His arrogance and self-entitelment is all build on something that was.

Please disappear Idra.


He was forced to "debate" with Avilo despite warning JP against it. He doesn't like Avilo, he doesn't respect him, nor does he value his opinions, so why should he try to put on a mask of emotions to cover that up? It was more Jp's fault for instigating it than anything, imo. IdrA's always been known for blowing up like this, and especially with his and Avilo's history together, it was a timebomb, essentially.

Everyone acts surprised as if this was the last possible outcome to occur, but when the CHAT asks you for it, and when you KNOW Greg won't be happy with having someone on, really what other thing can you possibly expect? You had a good, rational discussion wuth Qxc and IdrA earlier on, but it shouldn't surprise anyone that this was the way that everything went down with Avilo, lol.
IdrA fan for life, man. <3
CatalyStSC
Profile Joined June 2011
United States16 Posts
June 29 2012 03:09 GMT
#47572
On June 29 2012 12:05 DanM wrote:
That was my last StoG show that I will watch with Idra on the panel. Pretty evident that guy does not belong in this scene. His arrogance and self-entitelment is all build on something that was.

Please disappear Idra.


Yes lets please get rid of one of the most well-known figures in the SC2 scene just because of one discussion which polarized some people. Grow up.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 29 2012 03:10 GMT
#47573
On June 29 2012 12:03 dvorakftw wrote:
2. IdrA's anti-MKP thing would be cute as a joke but I know realize he means it. I won't try to psychoanalyze Greg but maybe he can explain why MKP is so terrible when MKP's results are so so so much better. Here's a thought Greg, MKP is current IPL Fight Club champ. Challenge him, beat him, win some money, and show how great you really are.



I hope to god idra never becomes a manager in the future. His talent scouting is the worst I've ever seen. MKP is still doing above average in comparison to other top korean terrans in an era where aggressive early game TvZ is being shut down left and right. I'd like to see idra do above average in one tournament before he calls out one of the greatest terran players/player to ever play the game.
FluiDMaster
Profile Joined June 2012
4 Posts
June 29 2012 03:10 GMT
#47574
On June 29 2012 12:05 Shaddar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 12:01 Dodgin wrote:
I don't know about you guys but I'm much more disappointed at incontrol basically teaming up with idra and acting as his enabler, It's obvious Idra never wanted to talk to Avilo in the first place and he should not have been forced into the situation. JP should not have brought on Avilo.

But Incontrol your behavior is actually just fucking disgusting, I thought you were better than that.

This show proved a few things to me:

QXC is a smart guy and can debate well, Idra can debate well if he's not angry.
JP listens to the stream chat when he shouldn't
QXC and Nony are extremely respectful guys.
Incontrol, despite how he acts like a nice guy at events he casts and hosts, can be a pretty big bully.


I completely agree with this post, very well said


I agree with this post too
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 29 2012 03:10 GMT
#47575
On June 29 2012 12:04 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
Can anyone give a summary of what happened? That would be really great.


Basically iNcontroL suggested they bring Avilo on for TvZ discussion after QXC vs IdrA finished.

They bring him on eventually, and Avilo starts by asking iNcontroL about why he is so mean to him, but iNcontroL says to keep it focused on the balance discussion.

At this point it is entirely between IdrA and Avilo. Avilo brings up some points, and IdrA responds to them. Then Avilo makes some comment about how LuckyFool made a point on something. IdrA responds with a condescending remark along the lines of "I guess I haven't been keeping up with LuckyFool's blog recently." Avilo then says something along the lines of "Some people who aren't as well known actually have good things to say in this community" obviously in a frustrated manner as he was clearly referring to himself (among others, I imagine).

Then Avilo rants for awhile longer. IdrA goes to respond and Avilo says "HEY HEY HEY" over him. Geoff interjects and asks Avilo to let IdrA finish since IdrA was calm and quiet while Avilo spoke. The debate went on and Avilo tried to make it sound like IdrA was agreeing with him while he (Avilo) used some flawed logic and claimed to quote what IdrA was saying, when he wasn't. IdrA got angry and told him to STFU. JP hung up on the call with Avilo.

Basically, it was pretty much what you would expect. I'm sure I forgot some details, but essentially Avilo came on to argue with IdrA, and IdrA lashed out as anyone would expect.

Now everyone in this thread is treating it like the biggest fucking crime on the planet, and complaining about how terrible it was.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
June 29 2012 03:10 GMT
#47576
On June 29 2012 12:09 Ireniicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 12:04 LgNKane wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:03 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:00 Jinsho wrote:
Really JP? You bring this avilo guy on, who has no credentials, no skill, no results anywhere all, and let him talk? Was that segment supposed to be a joke? Did you want to fuel sweet reddit drama?

How can anyone play Terran and not facepalm because this fool was chosen to be their representative where dozen others would have been able to a better job? This was embarassingly bad JP, and you are the cause for this, because you provided him a platform for people to laugh at.

Have some standards please and say "no" to clowns like him.

newsflash, nobody on state of the game has any results or skill. They have all fallen off the map and is more of an entertaining entity now.

Maybe if they spend more time playing sc2 they might have better results. I mean, I just saw huk, demuslim and bunch of other pros walking around chatting. I have a good feeling puma is the only one there actually going full force at practicing


wow i couldn't have said it any better myself.



It is a frat house


have you been there already?
banelings
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
June 29 2012 03:11 GMT
#47577
I love it when drama happens because the threads it creates after are just so enjoyable to read.

People take a situation where X happened

and manage to pull Y Z and Q from it
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
June 29 2012 03:11 GMT
#47578
On June 29 2012 12:08 Ireniicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 12:03 cydial wrote:
It's like a bunch of bullies from high school inviting someone they don't like to the cool kids table then making fun of him and kicking him out rofl, you guys are fucking pathetic excuses for people and players.


Exactly


Which is fine. The people who did that in high school will think it's funny and sensitive nerds will be sensitive nerds.

Probably one of the most abundant perceived dichotomies of the SC2 scene.
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
June 29 2012 03:11 GMT
#47579
On June 29 2012 12:06 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 12:00 Arkansassy wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:50 PanN wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:48 Arkansassy wrote:
It's apparent now that the only reason Incontrol wanted to call avilo was so they could ridicule him. He even started before avilo got on. Avilo had some pertinent points to make and they continually cut him off and were down right rude, but I didn't expect anything else from them.

That picture they put up was avilo when he was 13 and that, too, was just put there to make fun of him. Nice going guys!

Idra said: "i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.

@Idra, how can you lie when people were actually watching? Avilo never once raised his voice and he said, "I agree with what Idra said about..." and tried to explain, but your hatred didn't hear that.so you told him to STFU. Very mature of you.

All of you should be ashamed of yourselves.


Oh look its someone making up shit for fun.

JP put the picture up, he asked avilo if its actually him or not because he had no idea. How can you purposefully pick a picture that is bad of someone if you're not sure its them in the first place?

Stop makin stuff up thanks man.


lol... apparently you don't have reading comprehension duh. try again.


You said they chose the picture just to make fun of him, I told you different.

Why exactly is my reading comprehension failing atm?


Apparently they'd have had to do some pretty deep digging to find that picture of him. The fact that they dug it up from the depths of the internet suggests that they were looking for dirt. It's actually kind of creepy, and certainly doesn't speak well for SOTG
Procrastination is the enemy
oniman999
Profile Joined May 2011
United States169 Posts
June 29 2012 03:11 GMT
#47580
Very disappointing. This only happened because they were trying to get more viewers from drama. Avilo brings drama, Idra brings drama, and balance discussion brings drama. Put all three together and you get whatever this is.
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