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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 24 2012 22:03 GMT
#46981
Just now got around to watching the SotG, it's annoying that they brush off the whole TvZ issue without really discussing it.
GeneralOats
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4 Posts
June 24 2012 22:45 GMT
#46982
June 19 was the first episode of SOTG that I have ever seen and it was really good! Thanks for everything you guys are doing for the community and I definitely plan on watching again.
Bajsgrodan
Profile Joined November 2010
Afghanistan408 Posts
June 24 2012 22:58 GMT
#46983
Kind of frustrating how they are talking abaut the TvZ patchchanged and talking down on terrans in general. First they don't have a Terran representative for probably the biggest change in TvZ ever, and then they downtalk all terrans in general. Kind of a dick move to be honest. Their opinions are taken seriously by alot of people so the stuff they said abaut the patch on this show makes me think they are kind of P/Z biased. Not a good thing for a show that is called state of the game. Would be fitting if it was the State of the Hive/Aiur but this is just sort of unprofessional.
My name sucks!
Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 23:35:49
June 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#46984
On June 25 2012 07:58 Bajsgrodan wrote:
Kind of frustrating how they are talking abaut the TvZ patchchanged and talking down on terrans in general. First they don't have a Terran representative for probably the biggest change in TvZ ever, and then they downtalk all terrans in general. Kind of a dick move to be honest. Their opinions are taken seriously by alot of people so the stuff they said abaut the patch on this show makes me think they are kind of P/Z biased. Not a good thing for a show that is called state of the game. Would be fitting if it was the State of the Hive/Aiur but this is just sort of unprofessional.


Just read the last 20 pages or so ... this is exactly what has been discussed and it doesn't need to start again for the millionth time =\

People should love the show for what it is and not hate it because they think it should be different.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 24 2012 23:36 GMT
#46985
On June 25 2012 08:33 Elairec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 07:58 Bajsgrodan wrote:
Kind of frustrating how they are talking abaut the TvZ patchchanged and talking down on terrans in general. First they don't have a Terran representative for probably the biggest change in TvZ ever, and then they downtalk all terrans in general. Kind of a dick move to be honest. Their opinions are taken seriously by alot of people so the stuff they said abaut the patch on this show makes me think they are kind of P/Z biased. Not a good thing for a show that is called state of the game. Would be fitting if it was the State of the Hive/Aiur but this is just sort of unprofessional.


Just read the last 20 pages or so ... this is exactly what has been discussed and it doesn't need to start again for the millionth time =\

People should love the show for what it is and not hate it for what everyone thinks it should be.


Well people think the show should be "State of my Game" and should always talk about the subject they feel is important.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Strabismus
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom65 Posts
June 24 2012 23:49 GMT
#46986
Despite being a Terran player I think their point of view is reasonable and a Terran "point of view" wouldn't change much.


The metagame is a little iffy at the moment but it'll balance out. I definitely think the new Zerg style is more interesting, love the creep everywhere.
Terran Player ||| ID: CoreTalent ||| Day[9] and Tastosis for life <3 UK Players Represent!
PesteNoire
Profile Joined June 2012
151 Posts
June 25 2012 00:07 GMT
#46987
It was a really dreadful episode. If you are going to be bias against Terran and not discuss the current STATE OF THE GAME, then you should change the name of the show. not being able to get illusion on the show is not a good enough excuse to not get a terran on the show to discuss the state of TvZ fairly. Should have asked for any grandmaster Terran to come on to discuss. get 1 or 2 even. discuss the state of TvZ for crying out loud. The stats show it is the most imbalanced match up since the beta. How can a respected man of the community like Artosis just brush this aside? It was offensive.
ritzia1
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada95 Posts
June 25 2012 00:10 GMT
#46988
Anyone mention Gretorp? I know a lot of people don't like him, but he can have amazing analysis at times. I feel like his thoughts on the current state of Terran would be interesting to hear.
CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
Profile Joined June 2012
544 Posts
June 25 2012 00:11 GMT
#46989
On June 25 2012 08:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 08:33 Elairec wrote:
On June 25 2012 07:58 Bajsgrodan wrote:
Kind of frustrating how they are talking abaut the TvZ patchchanged and talking down on terrans in general. First they don't have a Terran representative for probably the biggest change in TvZ ever, and then they downtalk all terrans in general. Kind of a dick move to be honest. Their opinions are taken seriously by alot of people so the stuff they said abaut the patch on this show makes me think they are kind of P/Z biased. Not a good thing for a show that is called state of the game. Would be fitting if it was the State of the Hive/Aiur but this is just sort of unprofessional.


Just read the last 20 pages or so ... this is exactly what has been discussed and it doesn't need to start again for the millionth time =\

People should love the show for what it is and not hate it for what everyone thinks it should be.


Well people think the show should be "State of my Game" and should always talk about the subject they feel is important.


but they did. and they said "u guys suck". they called out every terran player pretty much lol nobody would care if they didnt do that except avilo.
awaiting the return of the space cowboy
EleanorLamb
Profile Joined June 2012
United States8 Posts
June 25 2012 00:19 GMT
#46990
Wow, I played the same MUD as TotalBiscuit. Wonder who he was, probably knew each other. O_O
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
June 25 2012 00:57 GMT
#46991
On June 25 2012 09:07 PesteNoire wrote:
It was a really dreadful episode. If you are going to be bias against Terran and not discuss the current STATE OF THE GAME, then you should change the name of the show. not being able to get illusion on the show is not a good enough excuse to not get a terran on the show to discuss the state of TvZ fairly. Should have asked for any grandmaster Terran to come on to discuss. get 1 or 2 even. discuss the state of TvZ for crying out loud. The stats show it is the most imbalanced match up since the beta. How can a respected man of the community like Artosis just brush this aside? It was offensive.


Because JP just has the information of every grandmaster Terran on Earth and he wants to sit there and just call all of them to see if they're available for the show.

Get. Over. It. God damn, that you're offended by something like this is really just sad.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
June 25 2012 01:07 GMT
#46992
On June 25 2012 07:58 Bajsgrodan wrote:
Kind of frustrating how they are talking abaut the TvZ patchchanged and talking down on terrans in general. First they don't have a Terran representative for probably the biggest change in TvZ ever, and then they downtalk all terrans in general. Kind of a dick move to be honest. Their opinions are taken seriously by alot of people so the stuff they said abaut the patch on this show makes me think they are kind of P/Z biased. Not a good thing for a show that is called state of the game. Would be fitting if it was the State of the Hive/Aiur but this is just sort of unprofessional.



1) Hes not going to invite some random grandmaster he's never met, he ahs no idea what they're going to say or what they are like, or if they can even defend, or make reasonable points.

2) he asked 2 quality terrans - QXC and Illusion, both of whom couldn't make it, it wasn't that they didn't want a terran, they couldn't get one.

3) I think Artosis is more then qualified enough to talk balance, As i do the others, while they may not caer as much because theyre not terran, terran is still the most represented race in teh GSL round of 16 ( oh no only 7 of 16 terrans what happened to balance? -_-)....so it can't be as IMPOSSIBLE as people are making it out to be.....

Blizzard will act if it doesn't change soon, but im sure terrans will figure something out shortly that will help them get back to an even matchup.

It may be imbalance, it may not, its tough to tell when theres a big switch in the meta.
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
June 25 2012 01:11 GMT
#46993
On June 25 2012 09:10 ritzia1 wrote:
Anyone mention Gretorp? I know a lot of people don't like him, but he can have amazing analysis at times. I feel like his thoughts on the current state of Terran would be interesting to hear.




I'd rather not have to cringe that hard again ;;!

On a serious note it seems like he doesn't fit with the rest of the cast very well based on the last time he appeared.
ritzia1
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada95 Posts
June 25 2012 01:13 GMT
#46994
On June 25 2012 10:11 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 09:10 ritzia1 wrote:
Anyone mention Gretorp? I know a lot of people don't like him, but he can have amazing analysis at times. I feel like his thoughts on the current state of Terran would be interesting to hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-K-s0sBTM

I'd rather not have to cringe that hard again ;;!

On a serious note it seems like he doesn't fit with the rest of the cast very well based on the last time he appeared.


That was a long time ago during stressful times for him during NASL season one. I'm sure he's a lot better now at least he'd be more qualified to give Terran insight as opposed to the others.
PesteNoire
Profile Joined June 2012
151 Posts
June 25 2012 02:12 GMT
#46995
On June 25 2012 09:57 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 09:07 PesteNoire wrote:
It was a really dreadful episode. If you are going to be bias against Terran and not discuss the current STATE OF THE GAME, then you should change the name of the show. not being able to get illusion on the show is not a good enough excuse to not get a terran on the show to discuss the state of TvZ fairly. Should have asked for any grandmaster Terran to come on to discuss. get 1 or 2 even. discuss the state of TvZ for crying out loud. The stats show it is the most imbalanced match up since the beta. How can a respected man of the community like Artosis just brush this aside? It was offensive.


Because JP just has the information of every grandmaster Terran on Earth and he wants to sit there and just call all of them to see if they're available for the show.

Get. Over. It. God damn, that you're offended by something like this is really just sad.


No he doesnt have the information of all the grandmasters out there, but if he said in the show something like, "we are looking for a grandmaster Terran views of the current state of TvZ after the patch, contact us in the chat or via xxxxxx" he woulda got something. Instead we got Artosis, and Incontrol telling Terrans to stop crying when they cried imbalance for Zerg or Protoss whenever they have a hard time. It was supposed to be a minor patch that had the most significant impact on the game than any patch since the beta. I think that required an in depth look in their show, no?
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
June 25 2012 02:25 GMT
#46996
Everyone shut up now. The last 30+ pages literally say everything you will say about the tvz controversy.
Guess who`s special?!
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
June 25 2012 02:49 GMT
#46997
On June 25 2012 10:13 ritzia1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 10:11 ketomai wrote:
On June 25 2012 09:10 ritzia1 wrote:
Anyone mention Gretorp? I know a lot of people don't like him, but he can have amazing analysis at times. I feel like his thoughts on the current state of Terran would be interesting to hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-K-s0sBTM

I'd rather not have to cringe that hard again ;;!

On a serious note it seems like he doesn't fit with the rest of the cast very well based on the last time he appeared.


That was a long time ago during stressful times for him during NASL season one. I'm sure he's a lot better now at least he'd be more qualified to give Terran insight as opposed to the others.


did not gretorp switch to protoss?

anyway I love sotg but yeah they should probably have a terran thrown in there, Idra commenting on balance is stupid, he is the most biased and hypocritical person in SC history, I'm still a fan of him. Artosis is overrated, not as overrated as tasteless but he is still pretty damn overrated and he really thinks he is the mr know it all when it comes to sc2. And then we have Incontrol who is actually the one of them I would listen to and discuss with, I love that guy.
Huge fan of Empire Kas, The Destroyer of Worlds, The Machine, The Second Terminator, The Supreme Robot!
ritzia1
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada95 Posts
June 25 2012 03:00 GMT
#46998
On June 25 2012 11:49 ][Primarch][ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 10:13 ritzia1 wrote:
On June 25 2012 10:11 ketomai wrote:
On June 25 2012 09:10 ritzia1 wrote:
Anyone mention Gretorp? I know a lot of people don't like him, but he can have amazing analysis at times. I feel like his thoughts on the current state of Terran would be interesting to hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-K-s0sBTM

I'd rather not have to cringe that hard again ;;!

On a serious note it seems like he doesn't fit with the rest of the cast very well based on the last time he appeared.


That was a long time ago during stressful times for him during NASL season one. I'm sure he's a lot better now at least he'd be more qualified to give Terran insight as opposed to the others.


did not gretorp switch to protoss?

anyway I love sotg but yeah they should probably have a terran thrown in there, Idra commenting on balance is stupid, he is the most biased and hypocritical person in SC history, I'm still a fan of him. Artosis is overrated, not as overrated as tasteless but he is still pretty damn overrated and he really thinks he is the mr know it all when it comes to sc2. And then we have Incontrol who is actually the one of them I would listen to and discuss with, I love that guy.


Did he switch? I thought he just played all races to get more knowledge of them for casting.
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
June 25 2012 03:02 GMT
#46999
On June 25 2012 12:00 ritzia1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 11:49 ][Primarch][ wrote:
On June 25 2012 10:13 ritzia1 wrote:
On June 25 2012 10:11 ketomai wrote:
On June 25 2012 09:10 ritzia1 wrote:
Anyone mention Gretorp? I know a lot of people don't like him, but he can have amazing analysis at times. I feel like his thoughts on the current state of Terran would be interesting to hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-K-s0sBTM

I'd rather not have to cringe that hard again ;;!

On a serious note it seems like he doesn't fit with the rest of the cast very well based on the last time he appeared.


That was a long time ago during stressful times for him during NASL season one. I'm sure he's a lot better now at least he'd be more qualified to give Terran insight as opposed to the others.


did not gretorp switch to protoss?

anyway I love sotg but yeah they should probably have a terran thrown in there, Idra commenting on balance is stupid, he is the most biased and hypocritical person in SC history, I'm still a fan of him. Artosis is overrated, not as overrated as tasteless but he is still pretty damn overrated and he really thinks he is the mr know it all when it comes to sc2. And then we have Incontrol who is actually the one of them I would listen to and discuss with, I love that guy.


Did he switch? I thought he just played all races to get more knowledge of them for casting.


ah ok then, sorry.
Huge fan of Empire Kas, The Destroyer of Worlds, The Machine, The Second Terminator, The Supreme Robot!
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
June 25 2012 03:05 GMT
#47000
On June 25 2012 10:11 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 09:10 ritzia1 wrote:
Anyone mention Gretorp? I know a lot of people don't like him, but he can have amazing analysis at times. I feel like his thoughts on the current state of Terran would be interesting to hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-K-s0sBTM

I'd rather not have to cringe that hard again ;;!

On a serious note it seems like he doesn't fit with the rest of the cast very well based on the last time he appeared.


@ 0:46
that awkward silence after he said "it's 55%" gave me goosebumps.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
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