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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 20 2012 02:39 GMT
#46041
They have to realize though that not everybody in the SC2 scene is interested in USA's national scene, whereas we're all probably interested in MLG's main tournament. For me as a European, the little amount of advertising we got for this competition is already big enough. I watched ViBe vs daisuki (kinda forced to by the scheduling), and, no offense intended, I regretted doing it, that was one of the most boring and low level Starcraft I've watched in a while, although the fact that this was a ZvZ didn't help. I'm already glad I knew ViBe's name because I followed NASL back then, and I'm glad he won, but I wouldn't want anymore of that, and I really have nothing against those players.
Having 2 tournaments at the same time is another matter, but they must understand that WCS doesn't compare at all to MLG...

And as a side note, Artosis is a man among men, he's so funny and handsome.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
June 20 2012 02:40 GMT
#46042
On June 20 2012 11:25 LambtrOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:23 walklightwhat wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:21 Dzerzhinsky wrote:
People aren't saying that you shouldn't discuss Terran. People are saying that discussion of Terran balance issues would be infinitely more interesting if there was an actual Terran player involved to provide that perspective (rather than just having Zergs and Protosses mock Terran players for 15 minutes).


Why? They did the same thing when Zerg was struggling, they either had IdrA on and argued with/made fun of him or made fun of him when he wasn't there.

People just want a Terran on there to validate their own complaints.

Because it's fucking State of the Game and they should discuss topics with all view points heard. There was no terran to defend the race. It's getting a little ridiculous.


We deserve a terran player!! How dare they take away what we are entitled too!! I demand the show to conform exactly to my wants! ....-_-

Seriously, people need to lighten up. This show is meant for some entertaining figures in the SC2 community to discuss starcraft, and that's it. Why do some members of the community need to complain about what this show "ought" to be? Just enjoy it. If you can't, then don't listen.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 20 2012 02:41 GMT
#46043
On June 20 2012 11:33 Shaddar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:24 avilo wrote:
I post this in chat, but the SOTG mods have conviently timed me out/banned me each time.

Oh interesting that there's a Terran here in chat willing to discuss the actual state of the game with you, isn't that what this show is for? I'll discuss it in a more logical manner than your try hard attempts at being witty and batting the issue away. I'm willing to discuss the "STATE OF THE GAME" from a Terran perspective. No whine here, just offering logical discussion from a TErran perspective which you currently do not have on this show and keep shrugging off. You seem to be unwilling to have a terran perspective on this show, so yes, I'm calling you out. I'll add in the Terran two cents, otherwise be as condescending as you want, but this isn't a "State of the Game" without a Terran on it.

Get a Terran on, I'm willing, what's the problem?


I don't see what qualifies you to be a Terran representative for talking balance


Dude, he's on Team Legion. Any more explanation needed?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
RedMage
Profile Joined February 2012
United States52 Posts
June 20 2012 02:42 GMT
#46044
On June 20 2012 11:39 ZenithM wrote:
They have to realize though that not everybody in the SC2 scene is interested in USA's national scene, whereas we're all probably interested in MLG's main tournament. For me as a European, the little amount of advertising we got for this competition is already big enough. I watched ViBe vs daisuki (kinda forced to by the scheduling), and, no offense intended, I regretted doing it, that was one of the most boring and low level Starcraft I've watched in a while, although the fact that this was a ZvZ didn't help. I'm already glad I knew ViBe's name because I followed NASL back then, and I'm glad he won, but I wouldn't want anymore of that, and I really have nothing against those players.
Having 2 tournaments at the same time is another matter, but they must understand that WCS doesn't compare at all to MLG...

And as a side note, Artosis is a man among men, he's so funny and handsome.


I get your point, but Raleigh will have Canadians and Major as well, so that should be a bit better to watch.

From the Friday schedule I thought WCS would have a separate stream, I thought that was a much better idea and I have no idea why they mixed it up.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 20 2012 02:42 GMT
#46045
On June 20 2012 11:41 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:33 Shaddar wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:24 avilo wrote:
I post this in chat, but the SOTG mods have conviently timed me out/banned me each time.

Oh interesting that there's a Terran here in chat willing to discuss the actual state of the game with you, isn't that what this show is for? I'll discuss it in a more logical manner than your try hard attempts at being witty and batting the issue away. I'm willing to discuss the "STATE OF THE GAME" from a Terran perspective. No whine here, just offering logical discussion from a TErran perspective which you currently do not have on this show and keep shrugging off. You seem to be unwilling to have a terran perspective on this show, so yes, I'm calling you out. I'll add in the Terran two cents, otherwise be as condescending as you want, but this isn't a "State of the Game" without a Terran on it.

Get a Terran on, I'm willing, what's the problem?


I don't see what qualifies you to be a Terran representative for talking balance


Dude, he's on Team Legion. Any more explanation needed?


Use stats.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1644_avilo

Like his 30% winrate. Everything must look imbalanced to him.
Hey! How you doin'?
RedMage
Profile Joined February 2012
United States52 Posts
June 20 2012 02:42 GMT
#46046
On June 20 2012 11:41 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:33 Shaddar wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:24 avilo wrote:
I post this in chat, but the SOTG mods have conviently timed me out/banned me each time.

Oh interesting that there's a Terran here in chat willing to discuss the actual state of the game with you, isn't that what this show is for? I'll discuss it in a more logical manner than your try hard attempts at being witty and batting the issue away. I'm willing to discuss the "STATE OF THE GAME" from a Terran perspective. No whine here, just offering logical discussion from a TErran perspective which you currently do not have on this show and keep shrugging off. You seem to be unwilling to have a terran perspective on this show, so yes, I'm calling you out. I'll add in the Terran two cents, otherwise be as condescending as you want, but this isn't a "State of the Game" without a Terran on it.

Get a Terran on, I'm willing, what's the problem?


I don't see what qualifies you to be a Terran representative for talking balance


Dude, he's on Team Legion. Any more explanation needed?


And he's written about TvZ balance for longer than almost anyone else:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=171331
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Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
June 20 2012 02:42 GMT
#46047
On June 20 2012 11:40 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:25 LambtrOn wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:23 walklightwhat wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:21 Dzerzhinsky wrote:
People aren't saying that you shouldn't discuss Terran. People are saying that discussion of Terran balance issues would be infinitely more interesting if there was an actual Terran player involved to provide that perspective (rather than just having Zergs and Protosses mock Terran players for 15 minutes).


Why? They did the same thing when Zerg was struggling, they either had IdrA on and argued with/made fun of him or made fun of him when he wasn't there.

People just want a Terran on there to validate their own complaints.

Because it's fucking State of the Game and they should discuss topics with all view points heard. There was no terran to defend the race. It's getting a little ridiculous.


We deserve a terran player!! How dare they take away what we are entitled too!! I demand the show to conform exactly to my wants! ....-_-

Seriously, people need to lighten up. This show is meant for some entertaining figures in the SC2 community to discuss starcraft, and that's it. Why do some members of the community need to complain about what this show "ought" to be? Just enjoy it. If you can't, then don't listen.


How incredibly juvenile. No one has said that they're going to stop watching (or if someone has, why focus on them? Most of us aren't). No one has said that SotG should be exactly like this. Building up these ridiculous straw men that you can easily take apart doesn't make you look smart.
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
June 20 2012 02:43 GMT
#46048
On June 20 2012 11:42 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:41 Dexington wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:33 Shaddar wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:24 avilo wrote:
I post this in chat, but the SOTG mods have conviently timed me out/banned me each time.

Oh interesting that there's a Terran here in chat willing to discuss the actual state of the game with you, isn't that what this show is for? I'll discuss it in a more logical manner than your try hard attempts at being witty and batting the issue away. I'm willing to discuss the "STATE OF THE GAME" from a Terran perspective. No whine here, just offering logical discussion from a TErran perspective which you currently do not have on this show and keep shrugging off. You seem to be unwilling to have a terran perspective on this show, so yes, I'm calling you out. I'll add in the Terran two cents, otherwise be as condescending as you want, but this isn't a "State of the Game" without a Terran on it.

Get a Terran on, I'm willing, what's the problem?


I don't see what qualifies you to be a Terran representative for talking balance


Dude, he's on Team Legion. Any more explanation needed?


Use stats.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1644_avilo

Like his 30% winrate. Everything must look imbalanced to him.


Not to mention that 13% TvZ winrate
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 02:44:50
June 20 2012 02:44 GMT
#46049
On June 20 2012 11:34 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:33 shr0ud wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:31 Chicane wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:24 avilo wrote:
I post this in chat, but the SOTG mods have conviently timed me out/banned me each time.

Oh interesting that there's a Terran here in chat willing to discuss the actual state of the game with you, isn't that what this show is for? I'll discuss it in a more logical manner than your try hard attempts at being witty and batting the issue away. I'm willing to discuss the "STATE OF THE GAME" from a Terran perspective. No whine here, just offering logical discussion from a TErran perspective which you currently do not have on this show and keep shrugging off. You seem to be unwilling to have a terran perspective on this show, so yes, I'm calling you out. I'll add in the Terran two cents, otherwise be as condescending as you want, but this isn't a "State of the Game" without a Terran on it.

Get a Terran on, I'm willing, what's the problem?


It's pretty simple... they don't want you on the show. If qxc or Demuslim were available and willing then it would be a different story, but they just have no interest in discussing it with you.

Any other things you'd like me to explain to you?

Why are you speaking in behalf of them? Why don't you just fuck off, please.


Calm down. There is no reason to tell people to fuck off. Regardless, I am just saying what JP said. He mentioned bringing on qxc, but said he wasn't available, and Geoff mentioned Avilo who they all just shrugged off. It can't really be more apparent, yet Avilo was still going on about it as if he is entitled.


Excuse me? Entitled? Talk about entitlement. These guys are pillars of the community and they will shit talk/down talk whoever they want and try to determine's people careers with their words without giving a flying fuck.

State of the game from what I've seen rarely actualy talks about the state of the game, and when they do, it's a panel of 3-5 protoss/zerg players which is obviously the most skewed perspective on earth. I called them out - get a Terran on the show, otherwise I am very willing to get on and debate them/discuss with them the actual state of the game, especially giving the Terran perspective on it.

On a side note, for all the shit talking Incontrol does - I finished top 32 WCS, a round further than incontrol. Just food for thought.
And for the life of me, I was watching a cast yesterday of a gsl game of MKP vs symbol where artosis didn't even know what one of the raven upgrades did/cost or what not @_@

Just saying, a Terran perspective is needed. Otherwise, yes, it is a "p/z circlejerk." And that's fine if people enjoy that sort of thing i suppose.
Sup
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 20 2012 02:51 GMT
#46050
i actually talked you up on this show.. 0 shit talk

This is also a week after I promoted your stream.

My bad though..
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 20 2012 02:52 GMT
#46051
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 20 2012 02:53 GMT
#46052
On June 20 2012 11:52 iNcontroL wrote:
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so?

do it avilo!
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
June 20 2012 02:53 GMT
#46053
Just so we're clear here, most the terrans in here don't actually want avilo as the terran spokesman in this thread.

Yeah so... yeah.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 20 2012 02:54 GMT
#46054
On June 20 2012 11:52 iNcontroL wrote:
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so?


time to man up avilo
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 20 2012 02:54 GMT
#46055
On June 20 2012 11:53 Nimic wrote:
Just so we're clear here, most the terrans in here don't actually want avilo as the terran spokesman in this thread.

Yeah so... yeah.

Lol yeah exactly, couldn't have said it better.
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 20 2012 02:54 GMT
#46056
On June 20 2012 11:53 Nimic wrote:
Just so we're clear here, most the terrans in here don't actually want avilo as the terran spokesman in this thread.

Yeah so... yeah.


^This
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
June 20 2012 02:54 GMT
#46057
On June 20 2012 11:44 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:34 Chicane wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:33 shr0ud wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:31 Chicane wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:24 avilo wrote:
I post this in chat, but the SOTG mods have conviently timed me out/banned me each time.

Oh interesting that there's a Terran here in chat willing to discuss the actual state of the game with you, isn't that what this show is for? I'll discuss it in a more logical manner than your try hard attempts at being witty and batting the issue away. I'm willing to discuss the "STATE OF THE GAME" from a Terran perspective. No whine here, just offering logical discussion from a TErran perspective which you currently do not have on this show and keep shrugging off. You seem to be unwilling to have a terran perspective on this show, so yes, I'm calling you out. I'll add in the Terran two cents, otherwise be as condescending as you want, but this isn't a "State of the Game" without a Terran on it.

Get a Terran on, I'm willing, what's the problem?


It's pretty simple... they don't want you on the show. If qxc or Demuslim were available and willing then it would be a different story, but they just have no interest in discussing it with you.

Any other things you'd like me to explain to you?

Why are you speaking in behalf of them? Why don't you just fuck off, please.


Calm down. There is no reason to tell people to fuck off. Regardless, I am just saying what JP said. He mentioned bringing on qxc, but said he wasn't available, and Geoff mentioned Avilo who they all just shrugged off. It can't really be more apparent, yet Avilo was still going on about it as if he is entitled.


Excuse me? Entitled? Talk about entitlement. These guys are pillars of the community and they will shit talk/down talk whoever they want and try to determine's people careers with their words without giving a flying fuck.

State of the game from what I've seen rarely actualy talks about the state of the game, and when they do, it's a panel of 3-5 protoss/zerg players which is obviously the most skewed perspective on earth. I called them out - get a Terran on the show, otherwise I am very willing to get on and debate them/discuss with them the actual state of the game, especially giving the Terran perspective on it.

On a side note, for all the shit talking Incontrol does - I finished top 32 WCS, a round further than incontrol. Just food for thought.
And for the life of me, I was watching a cast yesterday of a gsl game of MKP vs symbol where artosis didn't even know what one of the raven upgrades did/cost or what not @_@

Just saying, a Terran perspective is needed. Otherwise, yes, it is a "p/z circlejerk." And that's fine if people enjoy that sort of thing i suppose.



great, incontrol was actually not shit talking you.


quality posting, good circlejerking :D
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50898 Posts
June 20 2012 02:54 GMT
#46058
On June 20 2012 11:52 iNcontroL wrote:
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so?


loool geoff
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imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
June 20 2012 02:55 GMT
#46059
On June 20 2012 11:44 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 11:34 Chicane wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:33 shr0ud wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:31 Chicane wrote:
On June 20 2012 11:24 avilo wrote:
I post this in chat, but the SOTG mods have conviently timed me out/banned me each time.

Oh interesting that there's a Terran here in chat willing to discuss the actual state of the game with you, isn't that what this show is for? I'll discuss it in a more logical manner than your try hard attempts at being witty and batting the issue away. I'm willing to discuss the "STATE OF THE GAME" from a Terran perspective. No whine here, just offering logical discussion from a TErran perspective which you currently do not have on this show and keep shrugging off. You seem to be unwilling to have a terran perspective on this show, so yes, I'm calling you out. I'll add in the Terran two cents, otherwise be as condescending as you want, but this isn't a "State of the Game" without a Terran on it.

Get a Terran on, I'm willing, what's the problem?


It's pretty simple... they don't want you on the show. If qxc or Demuslim were available and willing then it would be a different story, but they just have no interest in discussing it with you.

Any other things you'd like me to explain to you?

Why are you speaking in behalf of them? Why don't you just fuck off, please.


Calm down. There is no reason to tell people to fuck off. Regardless, I am just saying what JP said. He mentioned bringing on qxc, but said he wasn't available, and Geoff mentioned Avilo who they all just shrugged off. It can't really be more apparent, yet Avilo was still going on about it as if he is entitled.


Excuse me? Entitled? Talk about entitlement. These guys are pillars of the community and they will shit talk/down talk whoever they want and try to determine's people careers with their words without giving a flying fuck.

State of the game from what I've seen rarely actualy talks about the state of the game, and when they do, it's a panel of 3-5 protoss/zerg players which is obviously the most skewed perspective on earth. I called them out - get a Terran on the show, otherwise I am very willing to get on and debate them/discuss with them the actual state of the game, especially giving the Terran perspective on it.

On a side note, for all the shit talking Incontrol does - I finished top 32 WCS, a round further than incontrol. Just food for thought.
And for the life of me, I was watching a cast yesterday of a gsl game of MKP vs symbol where artosis didn't even know what one of the raven upgrades did/cost or what not @_@

Just saying, a Terran perspective is needed. Otherwise, yes, it is a "p/z circlejerk." And that's fine if people enjoy that sort of thing i suppose.


aren't you the same terran that was defending tanks way back in the beta before they got changed ?

i seem to remember you saying zergs should use 10x nydus worms at once or something like that to break mech

*eternalenvy fanboy*
mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
June 20 2012 02:55 GMT
#46060
On June 20 2012 11:52 iNcontroL wrote:
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so?

when he loses, it would just prove terran is too weak... or something...
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