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poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
December 14 2011 05:55 GMT
#37961
ROFL. iNcontroL can't feel his hands.
poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
December 14 2011 05:56 GMT
#37962
"This is Shawn's first game."
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#37963
On December 14 2011 14:47 lavit2099 wrote:
Ok, I can't keep quiet anymore. I gotta get this off my chest and just hope my non-PG13 language won't get me in too much trouble.

Personally, I am more than 100% fine with what NaNiwa did. Geoff saying how he'd rather NaNi fake it. As a fan, I can tell you that I'm completely fine with what he did. He took a massive pylon shaped shit on the stage of the Blizzard Cup after barely losing three close games and finding himself 100% out of contention with nothing at all but pride to play for. That's also why I'm discounting the ego comment, because truthfully ego would DEMAND that he go out there and bust NesTea's ass all over the stage like he did in both MLG and MLG-GI. I'm a huge NesTea fan (he's why I play zerg now), but I'm fine with both this AND how NaNi acted at Providence.

I would MUCH rather my progamers being truthful to both themselves and the game than to fake it. It's like a girl faking an orgasm; it hurts everything more than it helps. And, honestly, what's the difference between doing something to tank the game and leaving early like Idra did for MONTHS on end?


of course you're fine with it. it's so easy for us spectators to just go "i don't give a fuck, who cares what naniwa did?" i mean it doesn't affect you in any way. you read about it, get a good chuckle out of it and move on. absolutely no consideration for the people who took the time to put together this event at all. I mean who cares right? it doesn't involve you. lets just turn model esports after this whole "I don't give a fuck" attitude.

and the counter argument is so ridiculous. "it's gom's fault, they shouldn't have a format like this". this is like justifying naniwa literally taking a shit in the middle of gom studio and going "well there's no rule that says I can't do that so it's your fault for allowing it to happen". seriously?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#37964
Oh snap Artosis.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#37965
looooool
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
December 14 2011 05:58 GMT
#37966
Yay Cannon rushing..!
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
December 14 2011 05:58 GMT
#37967
On December 14 2011 14:53 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 14:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:42 StarStruck wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:29 StarStruck wrote:
Lip service/dishonorable to not try regardless.

By making people think that you tried is no better. :/

It is for your image. Lots of people are aware that they need to hide their bad side on broadcast, and it's just immature/naive to expect otherwise. He showed everyone, and wanted to show everyone that he was a bad loser on live broadcast. Don't do stupid childish shit when you're being watched. No one goes around farting in public.


Image? Don't give me that can of worms. How you paint and carry yourself is up to you and only you. That's what separates us as individuals.

Everyone has selfish tendencies and this is no different.

There are a lot of moments in sport where there's tension and heat.

A golfer cussing because he missed a shot and throwing his club into the water.

A hockey coach throwing a bench onto the ice because of a stupid call.

Etc. Hiding your bad side can be difficult at times even for professionals.

I don't want to go into this any further, but you think people actually get away with that shit? A golfer throwing a golf club into the water would get severe punishment. A player who shit talks a ref anywhere that can be recorded gets fined and suspended. Bad sportsmanship can be flagged in football. Shit like this happens in sports and it gets the same reaction that naniwa got. All is fair.


Did I say shit talk a ref? On the rare occasion, yes coaches/players are fined, but still many coaches get away with the swearing (I see it all the time). Pro Golfers do get away with cussing on the golf course (throwing a club doesn't necessarily get punished: "Displays of frustration are one thing, but outbursts of temper are quite another. Yelling, screaming, throwing clubs or otherwise making a fool of yourself are unacceptable and, in some cases, dangerous to yourself and others").

In other words, yes in many cases they do get away with it and it happens in every sport. The ramifications aren't always the same either. It varies from sport to sport base on the rules and type of game.

In any case, there is no written rule for what Johan did and the discussion pretty much ends there
.


No written rule does not mean he should do it. Not doing something that is inappropriate even though you are allowed to do is a quality of an adult, which sadly Naniwa is still quite lacking. He did something that would bring criticisms to him, he has to live with it.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
synkronized
Profile Joined June 2011
United States125 Posts
December 14 2011 05:58 GMT
#37968
Geoff " People wanted an epic 2v2 and 2 of you cannon rushed"
Artosis "I wanted to probe rush but someone already did it yesterday"
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 05:58 GMT
#37969
LMAO Tyler!
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
December 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#37970
deezer and combatex making NA players immune to cannon rushes
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
December 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#37971
LOLOL day9 and artosis foolishly cannon rushed not knowing that the us server is home to DEEZER and COMBATEX.
geoff and tyler have probably dealt with this shit a million times over.
aut0mati0n
Profile Joined May 2011
United States97 Posts
December 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#37972
On December 14 2011 14:58 Veldril wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 14:53 StarStruck wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:42 StarStruck wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:29 StarStruck wrote:
Lip service/dishonorable to not try regardless.

By making people think that you tried is no better. :/

It is for your image. Lots of people are aware that they need to hide their bad side on broadcast, and it's just immature/naive to expect otherwise. He showed everyone, and wanted to show everyone that he was a bad loser on live broadcast. Don't do stupid childish shit when you're being watched. No one goes around farting in public.


Image? Don't give me that can of worms. How you paint and carry yourself is up to you and only you. That's what separates us as individuals.

Everyone has selfish tendencies and this is no different.

There are a lot of moments in sport where there's tension and heat.

A golfer cussing because he missed a shot and throwing his club into the water.

A hockey coach throwing a bench onto the ice because of a stupid call.

Etc. Hiding your bad side can be difficult at times even for professionals.

I don't want to go into this any further, but you think people actually get away with that shit? A golfer throwing a golf club into the water would get severe punishment. A player who shit talks a ref anywhere that can be recorded gets fined and suspended. Bad sportsmanship can be flagged in football. Shit like this happens in sports and it gets the same reaction that naniwa got. All is fair.


Did I say shit talk a ref? On the rare occasion, yes coaches/players are fined, but still many coaches get away with the swearing (I see it all the time). Pro Golfers do get away with cussing on the golf course (throwing a club doesn't necessarily get punished: "Displays of frustration are one thing, but outbursts of temper are quite another. Yelling, screaming, throwing clubs or otherwise making a fool of yourself are unacceptable and, in some cases, dangerous to yourself and others").

In other words, yes in many cases they do get away with it and it happens in every sport. The ramifications aren't always the same either. It varies from sport to sport base on the rules and type of game.

In any case, there is no written rule for what Johan did and the discussion pretty much ends there
.


No written rule does not mean he should do it. Not doing something that is inappropriate even though you are allowed to do is a quality of an adult, which sadly Naniwa is still quite lacking. He did something that would bring criticisms to him, he has to live with it.

No I'm pretty sure if there's no rule against it he can go and do it if he wants to, as that's the way rules work.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 14 2011 06:00 GMT
#37973
When the games don't matter don't expect anything. Forcing a player to play a game that has no meaning is pointless.

If you don't have enforceable rules don't go ape shit when a player doesn't show up or doesn't give it their best.

Being dishonest isn't any better. Throwing a match is still throwing a match.
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
December 14 2011 06:00 GMT
#37974
Hahaha, day9 dying and artosis is building 2 stargates with no units lol
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
December 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#37975
On December 14 2011 15:00 SenorChang wrote:
Hahaha, day9 dying and artosis is building 2 stargates with no units lol


cannon rush into MASS VR
D9 and Artosis know how this 2v2 shit WORKS
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 14 2011 06:01 GMT
#37976
On December 14 2011 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 14:52 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Why is salary such a big no-no to talk about? It's pretty relevant for anyone who thinks about doing anything professional.

because its none of your freaking business what they make; and asking someone how much they make is extremely rude.


We all know the general salaries for about every occupation, right? Hell, we even know what "real" sport professionals make (at least outside bonus, sponsors and such). This scene is more or less a big black hole regarding salaries. No need to be specific, just in general. So you're thinking about dropping everything without even knowing what is to be expected? Yeah, that's not how it works in real life. Get my point?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 14 2011 06:02 GMT
#37977
LOL TYLER hahhaha
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
December 14 2011 06:02 GMT
#37978
LOL tylers gonna dt drop HAHAHAHA
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 14 2011 06:02 GMT
#37979
On December 14 2011 14:58 Veldril wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 14:53 StarStruck wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:42 StarStruck wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 14:29 StarStruck wrote:
Lip service/dishonorable to not try regardless.

By making people think that you tried is no better. :/

It is for your image. Lots of people are aware that they need to hide their bad side on broadcast, and it's just immature/naive to expect otherwise. He showed everyone, and wanted to show everyone that he was a bad loser on live broadcast. Don't do stupid childish shit when you're being watched. No one goes around farting in public.


Image? Don't give me that can of worms. How you paint and carry yourself is up to you and only you. That's what separates us as individuals.

Everyone has selfish tendencies and this is no different.

There are a lot of moments in sport where there's tension and heat.

A golfer cussing because he missed a shot and throwing his club into the water.

A hockey coach throwing a bench onto the ice because of a stupid call.

Etc. Hiding your bad side can be difficult at times even for professionals.

I don't want to go into this any further, but you think people actually get away with that shit? A golfer throwing a golf club into the water would get severe punishment. A player who shit talks a ref anywhere that can be recorded gets fined and suspended. Bad sportsmanship can be flagged in football. Shit like this happens in sports and it gets the same reaction that naniwa got. All is fair.


Did I say shit talk a ref? On the rare occasion, yes coaches/players are fined, but still many coaches get away with the swearing (I see it all the time). Pro Golfers do get away with cussing on the golf course (throwing a club doesn't necessarily get punished: "Displays of frustration are one thing, but outbursts of temper are quite another. Yelling, screaming, throwing clubs or otherwise making a fool of yourself are unacceptable and, in some cases, dangerous to yourself and others").

In other words, yes in many cases they do get away with it and it happens in every sport. The ramifications aren't always the same either. It varies from sport to sport base on the rules and type of game.

In any case, there is no written rule for what Johan did and the discussion pretty much ends there
.


No written rule does not mean he should do it. Not doing something that is inappropriate even though you are allowed to do is a quality of an adult, which sadly Naniwa is still quite lacking. He did something that would bring criticisms to him, he has to live with it.


Yeah and it applies to every other professional athlete/coach who throws a tantrum or doesn't show up to play.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 06:02 GMT
#37980
OH SHIT!
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