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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 05:53:59
October 26 2011 05:53 GMT
#34401
Isn't Geoff actually right? Disruption Web and EMP would disable the Recall.

I still agree that recalling harassing forces will be ridiculous.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
itsjuspeter
Profile Joined November 2010
United States668 Posts
October 26 2011 05:53 GMT
#34402
On October 26 2011 14:41 Jermstuddog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 14:37 Jakkerr wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:35 Jermstuddog wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:26 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:03 woody60707 wrote:
On October 26 2011 13:56 dtz wrote:
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???


I think because it does in small numbers. Phoenix absolutely destroys mutas in small numbers. Once the mutas hit a critical mass , it doesnt though. I don't think a lot of people argues that phoenixes loses to mass mutas.


Did you see the chat blow up with angry caplock "HELLO PHOENIX" when they said toss doesn't have a good AA.

I agree with you no top level people say that. But the people i talk to and play with (non pros) say that me when I QQ about the mass muta that kill me.


Phoenix are not good AA that's the sad part... only against small amount of mutas do they do any good. They suck against everything else.


By "small amounts of mutas" you mean "an equal number of mutas"

And why do people feel like toss should have an easy way to hold off 30-40 mutas. That is a 4000/4000 army there, not exactly cheap or easy getting up to that number of mutalisks.


How is this not obvious?
Because Blizzard doesn't 1 unit to be spammed into oblivion that can win the game on it's own.
They either had to nerf the harass capabilities of the unit or give other races better options to deal with them a.k.a wardog or w/e and the tempest.


Muta flocks are OP and need to be nerfed but mass blink stalkers and mass marines are OK?

Both show up constantly vs Zerg.

Give me my unit that can counter 30+ stalkers with minimal investment.




Lings with Infestors to fungal, half cost, twice the damage, moving on.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 26 2011 05:54 GMT
#34403
On October 26 2011 14:49 XRaDiiX wrote:
But the Shredder is the most Broken of them all!!!! How do you engage a Turtle Terran with Siege Tank Shredder lines without Broods!

viper grabs the shredders? :o they get one shotted before doing any damage
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45611 Posts
October 26 2011 05:54 GMT
#34404
On October 26 2011 14:43 Daralii wrote:
Well Destiny just came up with the best strategy ever.


I think I've said that at least five times tonight :D

I miss Day[9] but I love Destiny ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
rdj107
Profile Joined December 2010
United States336 Posts
October 26 2011 05:54 GMT
#34405
On October 26 2011 14:53 Jibba wrote:
Isn't Geoff actually right? Disruption Web and EMP would disable the Recall.

I'm not sure the web will work on buildings, but it's ok anyways. We can just contaminate the nexus and....oh.
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
October 26 2011 05:54 GMT
#34406
On October 26 2011 14:48 Jibba wrote:
I think the nice thing about this discussion is that there seems to be ridiculous overpowered things for all three races, which is what BW had. Some of these things sound completely broken, but they're less broken in contrast to each other.

This is exactly my tought. They said at each race they can't see lose a tournement. HOW EVERY RACE CAN WIN EACH TOURNEMENT !!!!
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
October 26 2011 05:55 GMT
#34407
On October 26 2011 14:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 14:43 Daralii wrote:
Well Destiny just came up with the best strategy ever.


I think I've said that at least five times tonight :D

I miss Day[9] but I love Destiny ^^


This is one of the first time I've really payed him any serious attention and he's blowing my mind.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
October 26 2011 05:55 GMT
#34408
There is also some kind of stun when the units are recalled - they can't attack/move for a bit. Recalling army for defence will not work as well as they think.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
October 26 2011 05:55 GMT
#34409
On October 26 2011 14:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 14:49 XRaDiiX wrote:
But the Shredder is the most Broken of them all!!!! How do you engage a Turtle Terran with Siege Tank Shredder lines without Broods!

viper grabs the shredders? :o they get one shotted before doing any damage


I wonder if you could do that lol Grab the Shredders. Then destroy them. Makes sense!

Never GG MKP | IdrA
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 05:56:02
October 26 2011 05:55 GMT
#34410
I think a ~5-10 second recall casting time would be nice.

So you can't instantly recall all of your army from any situation without losing anything.
P0ckets
Profile Joined January 2011
United States430 Posts
October 26 2011 05:56 GMT
#34411
On October 26 2011 13:08 P0ckets wrote:
Come on Please talk about the NO BOOTHS at ESWC and the casters speaking in French over the loud speaker where the players were playing!!!!!!!!!!!


Why doesn't anyone ever address things like this?
Moldwood
Profile Joined April 2011
United States280 Posts
October 26 2011 05:56 GMT
#34412
(Geoff with a Dustin Browder beard): "....Looks like these three hellions are havin some trouble here."



hahahaha geoff....... too good man. like seriously when i saw that clip i.... i just had so many questions.... FOUR tanks?? STEPPES OF WAR?!?!? WTFFFFFFFFFF
"You drone I void ray I win" --oGsMC
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 05:57:23
October 26 2011 05:57 GMT
#34413
The Arc shield only does photon cannon level damage to light units, it won't defend against marauder drops or roaches, for example. It also buffs the building shields, but the cannons only do 5 damage against non-light.

It's not good for lategame defense.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 05:59:32
October 26 2011 05:57 GMT
#34414
For the Nexus Recall, think about this:

keep the current 15-20 unit radius (maybe make it an upgrade from the twilight council or something). In pvz you blink further and further in the zerg base, sniping hatcheries, blinking down cliffs etc (and currently on most maps, you can't really get back to safety while still doing maximum damage) and then Mass Recalling your stalkers back

I could see, with some tweaking, it being a really fun way for me to ACTUALLY do some high apm, small unit harass that protoss DOES LACK. we really lack (i haven't been playing recently so haven't tried out the new warp prism much) the ability to just kill hatcheries and do REAL damage to a zerg like a terran might with constant marine drops picking of hatches queens and drones. the ability to do this with your blink stalkers and not lose EVERY SINGLE one of them like i would if i did it now (eventually getting caught in a corner with no cooldown, or fungalled)

I like it for this reason at least. again i think it should a) require an upgrade to activate. and b) have a slightly smaller radius so it's definitely for small unit harass and not for whole army warping that would obviously be overpowered for map control and base trades
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
October 26 2011 05:57 GMT
#34415
About that nexus recall...it's proxy base in yo base time! Catz style.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
October 26 2011 06:01 GMT
#34416
Plaid speed!!!
ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
October 26 2011 06:02 GMT
#34417
I can't wait to make ludicrous speed jokes.
esq>n
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45611 Posts
October 26 2011 06:03 GMT
#34418
Battlecruisers getting to temporarily move as fast as mutalisks?

What the hell? lol
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 06:09:35
October 26 2011 06:06 GMT
#34419
On October 26 2011 15:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Battlecruisers getting to temporarily move as fast as mutalisks?

What the hell? lol

BCs are interstellar starships. Mutalisks? Only oversized bats.

It fits the lore lol.

I mean, do Mutalisks have advanced faster-than-light warp drives? I. think. not.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 06:12:12
October 26 2011 06:11 GMT
#34420
WTF NO GAS? I didn;t know this thor had no gas cost >.< god damnit blizzard what the hell are you thinking? are you trolling us? LOL

ok apparently its 400 gas thats ok
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
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