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SecondChance
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia603 Posts
October 26 2011 05:40 GMT
#34381
On October 26 2011 14:31 Toppp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 14:26 SecondChance wrote:
Wait, there are people on that panel that like the idea of the shredder?

Thank christ Geoff is sane.

Some no brain no micro unit that you just turn on and forget about?

It's like the terran equivalent of an electric fence.

"Oh Ill just put this here, stay out of my vegetable garden u zerg pests!"

Bronze players are going to fucking love it, as it gives them more time to get that pesky CC rally point to say on the minerals while your electric fence fucks shit up.


It's a great idea, just not balanced, its the mother fucking alpha for christ sakes.

If you don't think its a great idea, then your not sane.


I am too!

I usually try to avoid these types of discussions, especially on TL. However, I am quite curious as to why you think the shredder is a great idea?

Emphasis on great.
I see the want to in your eyes.
Jermstuddog
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2231 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 05:42:20
October 26 2011 05:41 GMT
#34382
On October 26 2011 14:37 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 14:35 Jermstuddog wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:26 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:03 woody60707 wrote:
On October 26 2011 13:56 dtz wrote:
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???


I think because it does in small numbers. Phoenix absolutely destroys mutas in small numbers. Once the mutas hit a critical mass , it doesnt though. I don't think a lot of people argues that phoenixes loses to mass mutas.


Did you see the chat blow up with angry caplock "HELLO PHOENIX" when they said toss doesn't have a good AA.

I agree with you no top level people say that. But the people i talk to and play with (non pros) say that me when I QQ about the mass muta that kill me.


Phoenix are not good AA that's the sad part... only against small amount of mutas do they do any good. They suck against everything else.


By "small amounts of mutas" you mean "an equal number of mutas"

And why do people feel like toss should have an easy way to hold off 30-40 mutas. That is a 4000/4000 army there, not exactly cheap or easy getting up to that number of mutalisks.


How is this not obvious?
Because Blizzard doesn't 1 unit to be spammed into oblivion that can win the game on it's own.
They either had to nerf the harass capabilities of the unit or give other races better options to deal with them a.k.a wardog or w/e and the tempest.


Muta flocks are OP and need to be nerfed but mass blink stalkers and mass marines are OK?

Both show up constantly vs Zerg.

Give me my unit that can counter 30+ stalkers with minimal investment.
As it turns out, marines don't actually cost any money -Jinro
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 26 2011 05:43 GMT
#34383
On October 26 2011 14:41 Jermstuddog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 14:37 Jakkerr wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:35 Jermstuddog wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:26 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:03 woody60707 wrote:
On October 26 2011 13:56 dtz wrote:
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???


I think because it does in small numbers. Phoenix absolutely destroys mutas in small numbers. Once the mutas hit a critical mass , it doesnt though. I don't think a lot of people argues that phoenixes loses to mass mutas.


Did you see the chat blow up with angry caplock "HELLO PHOENIX" when they said toss doesn't have a good AA.

I agree with you no top level people say that. But the people i talk to and play with (non pros) say that me when I QQ about the mass muta that kill me.


Phoenix are not good AA that's the sad part... only against small amount of mutas do they do any good. They suck against everything else.


By "small amounts of mutas" you mean "an equal number of mutas"

And why do people feel like toss should have an easy way to hold off 30-40 mutas. That is a 4000/4000 army there, not exactly cheap or easy getting up to that number of mutalisks.


How is this not obvious?
Because Blizzard doesn't 1 unit to be spammed into oblivion that can win the game on it's own.
They either had to nerf the harass capabilities of the unit or give other races better options to deal with them a.k.a wardog or w/e and the tempest.


Muta flocks are OP and need to be nerfed but mass blink stalkers and mass marines are OK?

Both show up constantly vs Zerg.

Give me my unit that can counter 30+ stalkers with minimal investment.


You have the Infestor. Gogo cast Fungal Growth!
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
October 26 2011 05:43 GMT
#34384
On October 26 2011 14:41 Jermstuddog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 14:37 Jakkerr wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:35 Jermstuddog wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:26 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On October 26 2011 14:03 woody60707 wrote:
On October 26 2011 13:56 dtz wrote:
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???


I think because it does in small numbers. Phoenix absolutely destroys mutas in small numbers. Once the mutas hit a critical mass , it doesnt though. I don't think a lot of people argues that phoenixes loses to mass mutas.


Did you see the chat blow up with angry caplock "HELLO PHOENIX" when they said toss doesn't have a good AA.

I agree with you no top level people say that. But the people i talk to and play with (non pros) say that me when I QQ about the mass muta that kill me.


Phoenix are not good AA that's the sad part... only against small amount of mutas do they do any good. They suck against everything else.


By "small amounts of mutas" you mean "an equal number of mutas"

And why do people feel like toss should have an easy way to hold off 30-40 mutas. That is a 4000/4000 army there, not exactly cheap or easy getting up to that number of mutalisks.


How is this not obvious?
Because Blizzard doesn't 1 unit to be spammed into oblivion that can win the game on it's own.
They either had to nerf the harass capabilities of the unit or give other races better options to deal with them a.k.a wardog or w/e and the tempest.


Muta flocks are OP and need to be nerfed but mass blink stalkers and mass marines are OK?

Both show up constantly vs Zerg.


They aren't, in theory they would do well in a 1 on 1 fight.
But stalkers, marines don't have burst dmg, they have steady dmg.
Muta's just fly in ur base and leave when reinforcements come in.
When u want to attack he just flies his mutas in ur base without much u can do about it cuz leaving half ur stalkers/marines at home isn't gonna scare him and ur attack would get crushed.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 26 2011 05:43 GMT
#34385
Well Destiny just came up with the best strategy ever.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
October 26 2011 05:43 GMT
#34386
ohhh fuck destiny is unreal.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
October 26 2011 05:45 GMT
#34387
Destiny is sooo perfect for SOTG wtf.. keep him as a pillar plz
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 26 2011 05:45 GMT
#34388
Dude, CombatEX is going to have a field day in Heart of the Swarm.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
October 26 2011 05:46 GMT
#34389
just make it so that u need wargate to use arc shield, ezpz no more arc shield rushs
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 26 2011 05:46 GMT
#34390
On October 26 2011 14:46 TT1 wrote:
just make it so that u need wargate to use arc shield, ezpz no more arc shield rushs

Then it does nothing against early cheese like 2 Rax SCV all-ins or 6 pools, etc.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 26 2011 05:46 GMT
#34391
Bullshit, you can harass.
How would you position enough building to be behind your mineral lines?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
October 26 2011 05:47 GMT
#34392
what if they made the nexus cannon ability be an upgrade at the nexus that requires a cyber core to be built?
Cake or Death?
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
October 26 2011 05:47 GMT
#34393
On October 26 2011 14:46 MCDayC wrote:
Bullshit, you can harass.
How would you position enough building to be behind your mineral lines?


Haha when Geoff's in a rant mood you just gotta let him go with it.

Tyler kinda putting things into perspective though.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
October 26 2011 05:47 GMT
#34394
On October 26 2011 14:46 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 14:46 TT1 wrote:
just make it so that u need wargate to use arc shield, ezpz no more arc shield rushs

Then it does nothing against early cheese like 2 Rax SCV all-ins or 6 pools, etc.


uhh then wed handle those rushs like were doing now?
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
October 26 2011 05:47 GMT
#34395
On October 26 2011 14:46 MCDayC wrote:
Bullshit, you can harass.
How would you position enough building to be behind your mineral lines?

If that happen you can recall all of your army
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 26 2011 05:48 GMT
#34396
I think the nice thing about this discussion is that there seems to be ridiculous overpowered things for all three races, which is what BW had. Some of these things sound completely broken, but they're less broken in contrast to each other.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
October 26 2011 05:49 GMT
#34397
my god.The show is way to good today. I'm exploding from laughts here.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 05:53:00
October 26 2011 05:49 GMT
#34398
On October 26 2011 14:48 Jibba wrote:
I think the nice thing about this discussion is that there seems to be ridiculous overpowered things for all three races, which is what BW had. Some of these things sound completely broken, but they're less broken in contrast to each other.


But the Shredder is the most Broken of them all!!!! How do you engage a Turtle Terran with Siege Tank Shredder lines without Broods!

The OP part you talked about is kinda right though i remember hearing them talking about this on a Thread or one of the Videos about Balance from the Developers.

Its gonna be really exciting to see all the new strategies and how all these new unit compositions work out though.

My main worry about this Expansion is Mass Recall. Its gonna be Protoss sniping Bases and Mass Recalling every game.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
October 26 2011 05:52 GMT
#34399
This episode is hilarious.

StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
October 26 2011 05:52 GMT
#34400
hahaha, it is so damn funny lol
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
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