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dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
August 08 2010 07:14 GMT
#61
Used to see a lot of baneling busts happen on hte U.S server,but after retail I moved to the sea server,and all people do here is rush for mutas. Almost every single game they rush for mutas..and the little I've seen of banelings are to take out my marines so that they can use their mutas.
HardcoreBilly
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States222 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 07:44:28
August 08 2010 07:40 GMT
#62
The bigger question is why does everyone online "cheese"? A few months ago, when I barely played SC2,I saw the interview with Idra and how he said the difference between Korean and American mentality is that Koreans want to get better and Americans just want to win. I thought that was a horrible generalizations but good lord was he right. Almost every single player that I've played has tried to win with banshee rush, all marine rush, voidray rush, 4 gate rush, baneling rush, any cheese, you name it. And after that fails, they solely rely on one base. It really does get irritating after awhile as I always want to learn to play this game better, through infestor use, Hive teching, etc. but I rarely am able to do so, as the opponent usually wins/lose by then. I'm in Plat for those who are wondering (just to affirm that even the upper ranked players cheese).

tl;dr- Almost everybody online cheeses. That's why US lags behind in competitive Starcraft (II). As the typical American's drive is solely to win. The best American players would also in turn be great at cheese/anti-cheese, but be only decent in later-game prospects.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 17:39:19
August 08 2010 17:37 GMT
#63
Almost every single player that I've played has tried to win with banshee rush, all marine rush, voidray rush, 4 gate rush, baneling rush, any cheese


Voidray "rush", esp against terran, 4gate, and banshee rush are all legit strategies, not cheeses, if they know how to properly transition out of them.

On August 08 2010 15:39 Synwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 15:28 Half wrote:

Do you even read?
Because your comment made zero sense lol... I'm saying getting better at the game is more productive use of energy for 90% of the players then whining in the forums that doing the latter seems to be... holy crap...!.. Your right... Im you! shit! must stop now!


wut.

(also its "you're right)

awesome way to feel better about yourself
bravo


wut.

Figures.
Too Busy to Troll!
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
August 08 2010 17:43 GMT
#64
I've never had much of a problem with terran mech as long I make sure to not let there armies get too big. Honestly rather than just going straight up for a baneling bust, Getting banelings and roaches for the mid game works out great. But you just gotta be careful with how you control your banelings. Once you eliminate that little bio mix in the mech composition its pretty smooth sailing after that, If there's no bio at all, than burrowed roaches almost always does the trick.
Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
August 08 2010 17:44 GMT
#65
I go baneling bust 90% of the time cause if I don't do it... than I'll have to deal with all the crap terran can go... and also cause if I fast expand you'll start pumping bajillions of marauders and 1-2 tanks and you'll just rape me anyways.... and that is IF and only IF you didn't got banshee, banshee cloacked, hellions and all the crap that can instant kill me.

So yah... baneling bust... if it's a win yay! if it's not a win well.... same result !
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
August 08 2010 17:44 GMT
#66
On August 08 2010 13:49 Deathstar wrote:
I'm going to die in mid game, so the only alternative left for me is to win before it gets to that point against Terran.

Then you should practice the matchup more instead of cheesing every game... thats the way you get better...
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Kexx
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany240 Posts
August 08 2010 17:47 GMT
#67
why waste 40 minutes of your life fighting an uphill battle when you can end it quickly, one way or the other.
Many Zerg player are just too frustrated to even think of ways to counter T.
chooooch
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 17:50:27
August 08 2010 17:48 GMT
#68
One thing I don't understand: why do people equate banelings with going all-in? Everytime a baneling bust doesn't work and the zerg player immediately quits - I die a little inside. I see Checkprime use banelings throughout a 20+ minute game quite often. HD's most recent update had tons of ZvT being played the way it's supposed to be. Aggressively.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
August 08 2010 17:49 GMT
#69
Diamond zerg player's perspective:

I havent done a banelingbust opening since the release, i mean i havent rushed to it, ofc from 3 base when i can do w/e yeah.

But i can see your problem, as i was watching Dimaga and aside from a couple of games he allined every ZvT for weeks, for the obvious reason everyone knows except for rabbid terrans and trolls
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
HubertFelix
Profile Joined April 2010
France631 Posts
August 08 2010 17:50 GMT
#70
I baneling bust when I'm playing on LT or when I want to attack my opponent effectively before ultraslisks.
When most of your wins are 20 min+, you want to baneling rush sometimes.
cr4ckshot
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States291 Posts
August 08 2010 17:55 GMT
#71
Because you're facing bad players. I don't baneling bust.
cHaNg-sTa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1058 Posts
August 08 2010 18:12 GMT
#72
People say that Terran is so immobile, but it's really not that immobile. not. Especially when every single map is so tiny, and the tanks will leapfrog each other in a few volleys and already be at the front door of zerg's expo.
Jaedong <3 HOOK'EM HORNS!
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 18:53:24
August 08 2010 18:32 GMT
#73
On August 09 2010 03:12 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
People say that Terran is so immobile, but it's really not that immobile. not. Especially when every single map is so tiny, and the tanks will leapfrog each other in a few volleys and already be at the front door of zerg's expo.


Yeah its heavily map dependent. Personally I just sixpool or bb whenever I roll Zerg on Steppes of War, but on any other map Zerg really shouldn't be giving up before starting.

Even on Steppes of War you probably shouldn't just give up like that, but I'm just lazy and care about my winrate too much :p.
Too Busy to Troll!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 08 2010 18:38 GMT
#74
Because playing against a good terran midgame is nothing but fun.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
August 08 2010 18:44 GMT
#75
My god all these "If i dont baneling bust ill lose anyways because he terran" is fucking stupid.
People who think this way are just horrible
Demus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands305 Posts
August 08 2010 19:16 GMT
#76
On August 08 2010 15:48 kNyTTyM wrote:
Mech army is not bad until you reach the top level of players where they have basic mechanics down. Why is that you ask? Most of the terrans at your rank got there by 1 base all-ins every single fucking game. At least 80% of the terrans I played in a management game had the mechanics of a D scrub and don't actually deserve their rank. So when I'm pitted against a terran mech in a macro game, I'm content.


In other words, terran mech is imba. If a player of lesser skill has the same rank as you, just because he spams 1 strategy, then i would consider that strategy an imbalance. In a fully balanced game, skill should be the only deciding factor on your ranking
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
August 08 2010 19:30 GMT
#77
Im a zerg I complain about the 8minute Death push that comes from every single terran. Its amazingly hard for a zerg to come out in a good position from that battle.
if you can believe you can concieve
hyped
Profile Joined April 2010
United States135 Posts
August 08 2010 19:33 GMT
#78
On August 09 2010 02:48 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
One thing I don't understand: why do people equate banelings with going all-in? Everytime a baneling bust doesn't work and the zerg player immediately quits - I die a little inside. I see Checkprime use banelings throughout a 20+ minute game quite often. HD's most recent update had tons of ZvT being played the way it's supposed to be. Aggressively.


The "Baneling Bust (BLB)" refers to stopping drones at around 14ish supply and only building lings till ~30ish supply since it has to come before sieged tanks, it is very all-in.

Using banelings is not all-in, the Baneling Bust is.
Kigari
Profile Joined August 2010
Bahrain134 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 19:46:09
August 08 2010 19:44 GMT
#79
On August 08 2010 13:54 CScythe wrote:
This is correct. The ZvT midgame is so tremendously imbalanced that it is not worth the headache for most Zerg players. You'd be ignorant to think otherwise.


Oh really ?

Terrans are slow as f*ck and zergs are fast as hell, how is that imbalanced ? Not the Ts fault if you try to a-move and take a terran force head-on...

Muta harass, burrow-moving, nydus, fungal growth 2x = no more infantry etc...

At the mid-game get your zerglings behind his moving force, a-move your roaches/hydras straight into his ball and when tanks start firing send in your glings. GG kthxbye for 90% of terran players.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
August 08 2010 19:49 GMT
#80
I only BLB if your wall says "COME BUST ME" (eg. 2 supply depots, 3 supply depots, 2 depots and an addon). If someone starts throwing down a bunker or getting fast double hellion, its over.
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