EPT[G] Zerg Tears - Page 9
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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mathemagician1986
Germany549 Posts
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
StarCraft II is less than 2 weeks old. Is there any reason to assume that it is, in fact balanced? That Zerg players who suggest that ZvT is much harder than TvZ, skill vs. skill, are automatically just QQing and should man up and get better, rather than pointing out a factual problem with the game? The question is always an accusatory, "Why do you think the game is unbalanced?" Well, let me turn it around on you: "Why do you think the game is balanced?" Where is your evidence that StarCraft II is balanced? Did you ever play StarCraft 1, version 1.01 (the version shipped on the initial discs)? That version could legitimately be called, "StarCraft: Zerg rape everyone." You think larva spawn fast in SC2 with Spawn Larva? Imagine having larva spawning faster in SC1. Fast enough for a Zerg to effectively drone and produce units on one base. A one-basing Zerg in StarCraft 1. With a faster-growing Spawning Pool that only costs 150. No Corsairs to do scouting. No Medics. Just Zerg, one-base, killing everything. StarCraft II is much more balanced than SC1 was in its initial release; that much is certain. But that doesn't mean that it is in fact balanced. Unless you believe that the only kinds of imbalance there are are the very obvious ones, like Marines that do 50 damage per shot, or one-food Roaches, or other such clearly broken stuff. The question of imbalance should at least be open to reasonable discussion, without people running around accusing people of QQing simply for asking the question. Take this gem from the OP as an example: As a Terran player myself since BW, naturally I came to defend Terran as a balanced race. "Naturally." Why is it natural to assume that the Terrans are balanced in a new game just because they used to be balanced in SC1? That's not natural; indeed, it's pretty irrational. The same goes for defending SC2's Terrans as being balanced solely because they're a Terran player. If you're a StarCraft II player, you should be able to be objective about the question of balance. You should not confront balance questions as an attack on your person or character just because it targets the race you play. You should not automatically assume that "your race" is perfect as is, and any problems with it are just n00bs and scrubs QQing. | ||
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Prae
Belgium77 Posts
tbh i lol at zerg tears & i play Z myself more flanking less tears.. | ||
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Sueco
Sweden283 Posts
Wait for nerf. Point and laugh. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On August 06 2010 15:29 talecK wrote: Wow, almost a 100 posts in a few hours. Great to see so much interest in Zerg tears! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/BHOHq.jpg) well played sir. i am impressed. | ||
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Mo_oN
Germany82 Posts
You know i am (only gold player by now) having a hard time against terran and toss but... i am up for the competition which means losses are sour but wins are even sweeter so you know there is nothing better then winning against these so called (i do not) "easier races". I think its a accelerating incentive to win against the other races in sc2 so i really dont care about the "imbalance" (dont know if its actually there) might be players fault some times... I tend to blame myself for losses not others for so called "win it all" strategies. If u want to outsmart someone it probably means putting some effort into it. Dont think others are stupid enough to fall for everything like "oh my god my baneling bust didnt work, must be imba" Nice post by the way Looking forward to the next P.S. Dont stomp on people that have around 80% win ratio although i admit that i dont like his manner but hes a good player no doubt about that and everyone has a bad day once in a while but your games arent broadcasted you see Have a nice day | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Glorious trolling OP,let them cry. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On August 06 2010 15:29 talecK wrote: Wow, almost a 100 posts in a few hours. Great to see so much interest in Zerg tears! + Show Spoiler + Instant redemption. | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On August 06 2010 19:56 Sueco wrote: [G] Terran Tears Wait for nerf. Point and laugh. I will proudly collect and display such commodity once the patch is through... | ||
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
The southpark reference made it. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On August 06 2010 19:33 NicolBolas wrote: Here's what I don't understand: the presumption of balance. StarCraft II is less than 2 weeks old. Is there any reason to assume that it is, in fact balanced? That Zerg players who suggest that ZvT is much harder than TvZ, skill vs. skill, are automatically just QQing and should man up and get better, rather than pointing out a factual problem with the game? The question is always an accusatory, "Why do you think the game is unbalanced?" Well, let me turn it around on you: "Why do you think the game is balanced?" Where is your evidence that StarCraft II is balanced? Did you ever play StarCraft 1, version 1.01 (the version shipped on the initial discs)? That version could legitimately be called, "StarCraft: Zerg rape everyone." You think larva spawn fast in SC2 with Spawn Larva? Imagine having larva spawning faster in SC1. Fast enough for a Zerg to effectively drone and produce units on one base. A one-basing Zerg in StarCraft 1. With a faster-growing Spawning Pool that only costs 150. No Corsairs to do scouting. No Medics. Just Zerg, one-base, killing everything. StarCraft II is much more balanced than SC1 was in its initial release; that much is certain. But that doesn't mean that it is in fact balanced. Unless you believe that the only kinds of imbalance there are are the very obvious ones, like Marines that do 50 damage per shot, or one-food Roaches, or other such clearly broken stuff. The question of imbalance should at least be open to reasonable discussion, without people running around accusing people of QQing simply for asking the question. Take this gem from the OP as an example: "Naturally." Why is it natural to assume that the Terrans are balanced in a new game just because they used to be balanced in SC1? That's not natural; indeed, it's pretty irrational. The same goes for defending SC2's Terrans as being balanced solely because they're a Terran player. If you're a StarCraft II player, you should be able to be objective about the question of balance. You should not confront balance questions as an attack on your person or character just because it targets the race you play. You should not automatically assume that "your race" is perfect as is, and any problems with it are just n00bs and scrubs QQing. He took the words from my mouth. For me the game is imbalanced until i see evidence in contrary, and not the other way around. Actually atm i don't even question myself whether there's imbalance or not in the matchups. I just question how big or small the imbalance is and for which side does it lean in. Imo, that's how people should be looking at this. | ||
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cr4ckshot
United States291 Posts
I have no problem with terran mech. Go ahead, make your siege tanks. I'll just nydus your main and wait for you to come home. | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
*runs off to gather vials* | ||
bakedace
United States672 Posts
Some where in the lift off and fly away phase of the game. | ||
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Timmeehh!
Sweden5 Posts
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
On August 06 2010 20:21 Apolo wrote: He took the words from my mouth. For me the game is imbalanced until i see evidence in contrary, and not the other way around. Actually atm i don't even question myself whether there's imbalance or not in the matchups. I just question how big or small the imbalance is and for which side does it lean in. Imo, that's how people should be looking at this.This is just some black and white point of view - especially asking the question "if you claim the game is not imbalanced - why is it balanced then?" Noone said the game is "final" nor it is "balanced" - people who ARE collectiong Zerg tears argue that there is way too much rant about it which is very true. You saw Idra going burrowed Roaches, you saw TLO going Ultra, you saw viable Muta-micro and what do you see in ladder and the people complain about? Hydra a-move doesnt work against mech - poor you. Take Protoss for an instance - they got hell a lot of nerfs too - there are VERY few that complain about that there is no longer an opportunity to mass gateway units to counter tanks because zealots die to smart targeting and immortals die to EMP - self-made solution: lift with phoenixes works well for instance (but that requires a little more than a-move micro). Since the game is fairly close to balance (and awaiting more units in its add-ons) blizzard will succeed in ignoring all those cries by thousands of beginners and fairly advanced players until the game is explored out enough to make slight and decen adjustements without throwing off balance completely (remember what happened to DoW2?) EDIT: almost forgot: LOVE the article, super funny (and the benet-bottle!) :D | ||
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Camila_br
Brazil529 Posts
in bw, if you are not a top player, you may think a good zerg is imba. same here. | ||
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renchak
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Marceuse
United States23 Posts
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