EPTI honestly don't understand at all how this could ever be a good idea. I don't even understand how anyone could think this is a good idea.
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
I honestly don't understand at all how this could ever be a good idea. I don't even understand how anyone could think this is a good idea. | ||
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HCastorp
United States388 Posts
One idea for a better system (not currently possible): Disconnected games are saved. When the disced player signs back on, an option appears to continue the game. The player who did not disc also has this option. If both players choose to continue, the game continues. If neither do, the game is not counted. If one does and the other does not, the player who offered to continue the game gets the win, after some set period of time, say 24 or 48 hours. It would probably be a lot of work to monitor this system,and tweak it so that it couldn't be abused. Maybe it would be so much work, or so abusable, that it would be unworkable, but I am optimistic that something like this could eventually be implemented. | ||
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ocho
United States172 Posts
On August 03 2010 03:20 Chriamon wrote: This is a bad idea. Even if the disconnecting player still gets a loss, the opponent wont get a win. Don't you see the flaw in this? In fact, it is inherently flawed. The low leagues (and even higher ones) will be plagued with those who disconnect before every loss, causing people who play legit to not have as many points compared to others (because they aren't gaining points when they win vs one of those disconnectors). I honestly don't understand at all how this could ever be a good idea. I don't even understand how anyone could think this is a good idea. Basically my thoughts. OP, have you never noticed the immaturity rampant in online games? People WILL disconnect before they lose with this system. | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On August 03 2010 03:28 HCastorp wrote: No one says the current system is perfect, its just that it is less bad than every other option currently available. One idea for a better system (not currently possible): Disconnected games are saved. When the disced player signs back on, an option appears to continue the game. The player who did not disc also has this option. If both players choose to continue, the game continues. If neither do, the game is not counted. If one does and the other does not, the player who offered to continue the game gets the win, after some set period of time, say 24 or 48 hours. It would probably be a lot of work to monitor this system,and tweak it so that it couldn't be abused. Maybe it would be so much work, or so abusable, that it would be unworkable, but I am optimistic that something like this could eventually be implemented. I enjoy this idea very much, because it gives a condition for the win (opponent refuses to continue) rather than it being automatic. I believe this is possible in battle.net 2.0, though the question of how to implement it is valid. My ideas in the OP may not be perfect, but this thread is to stimulate discussion. I feel it is an inherent flaw to reward the opponent rather than punish the disconnector. The question of how to do so is the topic for discussion, not whether the ideas in the OP are the right ones. They are merely one option which still needs refining. | ||
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HCastorp
United States388 Posts
The injustice present when your opponent gets a win when you disc is just way, way, smaller than the injustice that will be present when you can deny an opponent a win by unplugging your router. | ||
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FC.Strike
United States621 Posts
Generally speaking you want to use the least abusable system and not necessarily the most fair system. This isn't some sort of utopian society where we're trying to find the most clever, best system to do this - we just need something that players can't break in half. In this case it might not be fair to give the opponent the win if you disconnect, however currently there's absolutely no incentive to disconnect. By calling it a tie or not giving the opponent any points, you'll open the door for malicious people to disconnect out of spite. Red Alert 3 used a disconnect = tie idea and people would literally BM for 5 minutes floating their main building around the ocean and then the moment before it died, they would plug pull. If even one spiteful loser plug pulled on me and I didn't get the win I deserved, I would want to punch a wall. And I guarantee this problem would be more widespread than you think. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
I could technically go undefeated for my entire career. | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On August 03 2010 04:01 HCastorp wrote: Well, I think the reason there is not likely to be much enthusiasm for discussion is that just about everyone agrees that the current system is the most fair one possible at the moment. The injustice present when your opponent gets a win when you disc is just way, way, smaller than the injustice that will be present when you can deny an opponent a win by unplugging your router. Perhaps it is really the lesser of two evils, however when presented with such a choice we can at least make an effort to try and choose neither. The quote in the earlier post reminds of a famous quote by Winston Churchill "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried" While I'm a believer in don't break what's already fixed, that doesn't mean we can't strive to improve further. The only way anything in the world changes is when we strive to improve, even when it already works. | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
On August 03 2010 03:16 Tsagacity wrote: Battle.net ladder would have serious serious issues if players could deny their opponent a win by disconnecting. As someone said earlier, you're significantly underestimating the bitterness of many players who wouldn't hesitate to disconnect even if they still get a loss penalty. Won with mass marauders? "Noob spam T is overpowered" /disc Won with cheese? "Gay faggot you dont deserve a win" /disc Won in the first 10 minutes "WTF stupid rusher" /disc This would be terrible. I was thinking the same thing. | ||
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febreze
167 Posts
I don't care about how accurately one's record reflects someone's skill level, I care about playing this game and having fun. Your proposal promoting disconnects from people who take internet spaceships way too seriously. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On August 03 2010 03:16 Tsagacity wrote: Battle.net ladder would have serious serious issues if players could deny their opponent a win by disconnecting. As someone said earlier, you're significantly underestimating the bitterness of many players who wouldn't hesitate to disconnect even if they still get a loss penalty. Won with mass marauders? "Noob spam T is overpowered" /disc Won with cheese? "Gay faggot you dont deserve a win" /disc Won in the first 10 minutes "WTF stupid rusher" /disc This would be terrible. Edit for truth. Sorry this idea just wont work However, one possible idea is to increase the penilty for disconnecting to maybe count as 2 losses, or 3? Then of course, this would be unfair to people who disconnects oftenly because of bad internet rather than abusing the system. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On August 03 2010 03:20 Chriamon wrote: This is a bad idea. Even if the disconnecting player still gets a loss, the opponent wont get a win. Don't you see the flaw in this? In fact, it is inherently flawed. The low leagues (and even higher ones) will be plagued with those who disconnect before every loss, causing people who play legit to not have as many points compared to others (because they aren't gaining points when they win vs one of those disconnectors). I honestly don't understand at all how this could ever be a good idea. I don't even understand how anyone could think this is a good idea. Exactly...every game that did this failed... | ||
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chair
United States58 Posts
But basically any system where the loser can influence the winner in a negative fashion (denying points) is inherently flawed. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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0mar
United States567 Posts
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