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np.Resuscitate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States60 Posts
July 09 2010 19:03 GMT
#261
Thank God. I assume they realized that Real ID wouldn't make the forums better, it would make them empty.
The Overmind thinks I require more minerals... I would like a loan.
Mulloy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States86 Posts
July 09 2010 19:04 GMT
#262
How would an empty Bnet forum not be better than what's there now? Haha.
I have been known, on occasion, to dapple in fancy hats.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 09 2010 19:05 GMT
#263
I'm not surprised by the fact that they stopped it, but more by the fact that they considered it in the first place. I understand that it was to reduce trolling, but they could have thought of an easier solution.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 09 2010 19:06 GMT
#264
On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.

How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.

ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).

Um yes...

but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
July 09 2010 19:09 GMT
#265
Yeah, this was pretty needed. The stalking would be horrible.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Phail111
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada21 Posts
July 09 2010 19:12 GMT
#266
It's classic blizzard - Overnerf, then tune back slightly and everyone loves you, even though the result is still a nerf.

No one liked the ID system that was in place currently, or going to be in place on release. So they release a statement for the worst ID system to date, and no matter what they do after that we are going to love it.
The shortest distance between 2 points is under construction.
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
July 09 2010 19:12 GMT
#267
On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.

How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.

ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).

Um yes...

but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.

I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.
I doubt it would have passed in Germany our politician are on a user privacy train and bash google/facebook etc all day long ^^
Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 09 2010 19:18 GMT
#268
On July 10 2010 04:12 smileyyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.

How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.

ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).

Um yes...

but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.

I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.^

Yeah but judges have to apply the law lol, they can't just order a company not to do something because they don't like it.
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LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
July 09 2010 19:18 GMT
#269
LOL To all the naysayers, bitching, raging and moaning WORKS!
Ababoba
Profile Joined March 2010
Finland11 Posts
July 09 2010 19:20 GMT
#270
On July 10 2010 04:18 JinMaikeul wrote:
LOL To all the naysayers, bitching, raging and moaning WORKS!

Depends on the scale of bitching, raging and moaning. We still aren't getting classic chat-rooms.
FrickenHamster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States40 Posts
July 09 2010 19:21 GMT
#271
I can't help but feel this is a scapegoat for BNET 2.0 problems.
ta2
Profile Joined July 2010
125 Posts
July 09 2010 19:23 GMT
#272
On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.

How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.

ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).

Um yes...

but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.

The friends-of-friends having access to your Real ID and that exploit where you were automatically your own friend are lawsuits waiting to happen. I'm sure we haven't heard the last of that.

As for agreeing to ToS, I'm sure there are loopholes whereby Blizzard would not be immune from prosecution. For example, if a child had full access to his own account (maybe he pays with gametime cards etc), and agrees to the ToS - it's not legally binding since a child cannot make a legal contract. If I have a Battle.net account that I haven't logged into since 6 months ago, it gets hacked, the hacker then agrees to the new ToS, and uses the account for spamming.

Dunno which of the above traps they could fall into, but for sure I don't think they had all their bases covered.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
July 09 2010 19:23 GMT
#273
On July 10 2010 04:20 Ababoba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 04:18 JinMaikeul wrote:
LOL To all the naysayers, bitching, raging and moaning WORKS!

Depends on the scale of bitching, raging and moaning. We still aren't getting classic chat-rooms.


Psshh.. merely a sign that we haven't raged enough about it...
sotmh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States41 Posts
July 09 2010 19:23 GMT
#274
They still plan on tying in-game functionality to Real ID, which is a bad idea. This is a retreat by Blizzard, not a surrender.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 19:25:52
July 09 2010 19:25 GMT
#275

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816839821&sid=1



Hey Listen G, we realized we f00ked up and we ain't doin the real name bullshiz anymo.


Yo but we still wanna make it a betta place cause it straight sucks. We got other new shiz we wanna do. Yo can give or take away props on peeps to regulate dumb niggaz.


Also, we ain't doin the same shiz everywhere, we keepin it separate. We still think facebook is hot nigga! We wanna keep messin with this crap fo a minute tho.

By the way, I wanna say that I was jus tryin to hustle some paper dawg so I'm sorry if I offended you nig nogs. I'm only changin my shiz cause I woulda lost on on more chedda in the long run prolly. Glad you niggaz spoke up, cause if not, I'd be sellin woof tickets all day, word.

Peace Out
Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment



..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
ta2
Profile Joined July 2010
125 Posts
July 09 2010 19:26 GMT
#276
On July 10 2010 04:18 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 04:12 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.

How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.

ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).

Um yes...

but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.

I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.^

Yeah but judges have to apply the law lol, they can't just order a company not to do something because they don't like it.

Also, Facebook makes you agree to their ToS, but that didn't stop the Canadian govt. ordering Facebook to make changes.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
July 09 2010 19:26 GMT
#277
Blizzard got dragged back by the balls :D
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 19:30:41
July 09 2010 19:28 GMT
#278
On July 10 2010 04:18 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 04:12 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.

How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.

ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).

Um yes...

but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.

I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.^

Yeah but judges have to apply the law lol, they can't just order a company not to do something because they don't like it.

Since my english is bad I will try to explain it with an example.

I open an online store and write in my ToS that if a customer wants to return a package then he must pay the shipment cost .!. Lots of shops did this in Germany.
Few days ago a court ruled this procedure to be against the law. --> My ToS is now "illegal" and not binding to the customer
Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
jazzy3001
Profile Joined May 2010
21 Posts
July 09 2010 19:30 GMT
#279
wow they changed it pretty fast
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 19:32:39
July 09 2010 19:31 GMT
#280
On July 10 2010 04:28 smileyyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 04:18 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:12 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:06 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:59 smileyyy wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:53 JWD wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:51 Arcalious wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. This was a privacy lawsuit waiting to happen.

How? You'd have to opt in to the Real ID-enabled forum, and I'm sure there would be a massive ToS that included an agreement to consent to use of your real name.

ToS != Law. They can write in their ToS whatever they want it does not make it a law =).

Um yes...

but if you agree to let Blizzard do something with your personal information, you cannot then win on a claim against Blizzard for doing that thing.

I can agree to it but it does not make the procedure legal. Whether it is in accord with the law is up to a judge to decide in the end :o.^

Yeah but judges have to apply the law lol, they can't just order a company not to do something because they don't like it.

Since my english is bad I will try to explain it with an example.

I open an online store and write in my ToS that if a customer wants to return a package then he must pay the shipment cost .!. Lots of shops did this in germany Few days ago a court ruled this procedure to be against the law. --> My ToS is now "illegal" and not binding to the customer

It seems unlikely to me that this could happen in an American court, unless there is some complexity to these cases that we're not getting at (for example some statute regulating whether companies can make their customers pay shipping costs on returns, or whatever).

And your English seems perfect to me

I guess the bottom line is that I know of no US law that would prevent Blizzard from requiring real names to post on its forums, and I have a hunch that Blizzard would get lawyers competent enough to craft a legal, binding ToS that gave it the right to publish real names. Written agreements are very powerful in court.
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