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On July 09 2010 02:42 zyvox wrote:


oh i was just explaining why burrowing under FF is useful. i totally agree with you that roaches should be able to move underneath.

On July 09 2010 02:40 Bibdy wrote:
I remember reading about a month ago on here, someone mentioned that Browder said (who's friend's cousin's former roommate who once went on a date with Kevin Bacon, said...) they were looking into PvP and the problem that you needed to match your opponent's number of gateways early in the game, or you had a massive chance of losing.

I think the Zealot nerf is a result of that, and the Reaper/Barracks build time change a result of that...did they forget about Zerg or something?

On July 09 2010 02:48 TimeToPractice! wrote:


You'd think if it were just that... they wouldn't of nerfed the cooldown period for a zealot warping in though - because you dont have to match zealots anymore after that early game.

On July 09 2010 02:47 vica wrote:
- Roaches can't move under Force Fields.

Roaches can move under Supply Depots that have been dropped. They can't move under Supply Depots that have been raised. Coincidence? If you can move over the terrain regularly, you can burrow move under the terrain. Ever wonder why you can't burrow move under Destructible rocks?

- No Patch Notes.

They only show the most recent Patch Notes. Over the month that passed, I'm going to bet that there were 5 or 6 Patch Notes. Are they really going to post all 5 or 6 of them? especially if they overlap? No.

On July 08 2010 12:36 Zelniq wrote:

There have been rumors that Spawning Pools build faster now, but according to my tests, I can confirm it is still exactly 65 in-game seconds same as always.

- No Patch Notes.

They only show the most recent Patch Notes. Over the month that passed, I'm going to bet that there were 5 or 6 Patch Notes. Are they really going to post all 5 or 6 of them? especially if they overlap? No.

On July 09 2010 02:05 Erucious wrote:


so in a sense, forcefield is overpowered?

You are saying taht the protoss should be allowd to dictate the entire battle because they make sentries, but zerg arent when they upgrade their roaches?

This doesnt make sense

On July 09 2010 02:50 Bibdy wrote:


Its in the period prior to Warp-Gate tech. If someone 2-Gates you, you have to build another Gateway yourself, quickly, make a choke out of the buildings and either try to match the Zealot count, get a Cannon (hah), or bee-line for Stalkers/Sentries.

The Zealot build time nerf would make it easier to get Stalkers/Sentries out before there's a critical mass number of Zealots smashing down your front door.

On July 09 2010 02:57 Jokah wrote:


I believe this rumor came about because people were noticing they didn't have enough gas while trying to time zergling speed upgrade for when spawning pool finishes.

Could it be that refinery now takes longer to build? I'm on EU so I cant check myself.

On July 09 2010 02:58 TimeToPractice! wrote:


Right, I think that'd be some kind of justification if only the build time inside of the gateway was nerfed, but to also nerf the build time of zealots warping in from warp gates goes beyond the early-game zealot matching.

On July 09 2010 02:36 TimeToPractice! wrote:
If the zealot nerf stays - which by the way... Why in the world would they even do that? The two-gate pressure vs zerg was just that... pressure. Roaches totally nullify it anyway.

But it really kills my ability to hold off the mid-game timing push with marine/marauder/ghost. Marauder has a 30 second build time, what the hell? This was already a brutal timing push they pulled off, going to be even more difficult to handle now.

Blizzard doesn't make sense. The community (including the TL community) voted Terran as the most OP race, so what happens? PROTOSS NERFS. When a thread on TL was bumped asking users which race they thought was most powerful, 400 votes went to Terran while only 150 were divided between the other two.

Fucking Terran. Will Blizzard get what's going on when 60% of diamond users eventually switch to Terran? Already started to happen near the end of phase 1.

Ultras get +2 and +2 vs armored per upgrade, instead of +3 per upgrade.

There is now a 1 second cooldown for Transfusion from the Queen. With the Creep Tumor cooldown=doubled change, I'm starting to think I shouldn't have sent Day9 those reps lolol

Neural Parasite lasts about 12-ish in-game seconds.

burrowing roach shenanigans with FF

Infested Terrans lasts 30 seconds (up from 20).
Infested Terran spell can now be cast while Infestor is Burrowed.

On July 09 2010 02:58 Orange Goblin wrote:


A thousand times this.

On July 09 2010 03:09 Zarahtra wrote:

This annoys me quite a bit. Numbers say terran is struggling, so naturally they get buffed. I do think Terran still has great potential, but so do zerg and protoss. If the time comes that terran starts to pull ahead of the other 2 races, I'm sure Blizzard will take actions against Terran just like they have been trying to do infavour of Terran.

The zealot nerf really surprises me. I play terran so I haven't done ZvP, but was the 2gate preassure really that harsh that zerg couldn't hold it enough to have gained macro advantage? This seems like quite a huge change, changing all MUs and timings where P is involved...
The NP nerf also catches me a bit offguard, I think 12 sec is a bit to short, 15-20sec I reckon would be better time.
I don't fancy reapers much and therefor normally don't proxy early reapers, so I just wonder if they were really that good that they needed a nerf... The few times I've actually done it, the stalker could come out early enough to make the harrash not worth it, depending on the micro of both players. Not done it vZ so yer dunno about that MU.
The infested terran buff might become a bit interesting. That being said, I wonder if double FGing mineral line wont always be better than dropping down 6 infested terrans.

On July 09 2010 03:09 firebound12 wrote:

Hum... that would really leave anti-small units for zerglings and baneling.

Oh sht! I don't mind the transfusion coolddown, but omg will IdrA rage when he discovers that he can't creep out as fast! :O double the cooldown is a major nerf for those who wants to creep really fast, though it won't change that much the overall balance. Guess we just have to get used to it :/


Hum.. interesting, no more retreating for zerg, and no more sneaking through a FF... I think that'll mean more Ultra play IMO. And with the always frenzied ultras now, it's really powerful

ohhh finally, this change is really something for small drops! without raven or scan, you can sneak into a tank line and spew infested terran all over.. wait have to check woot!

Overall good patch for zerg