Artosis's Asian replay pack

On June 14 2010 11:35 KawaiiRice wrote:
ARTOSIS FIGHTING AHHH ~ ~ ~

:3
You didn't play any Terran in here did you

yeah, sry, didnt mention that. i am a Zerg player at the moment.

On June 14 2010 13:52 schiznak wrote:
Artosis, i know the general consensus is that 1-basing as protoss against zerg is un-doable

What do you generally do against a 4-5gate allin from a protoss?

On June 14 2010 14:12 Tump wrote:
The Sc2 manager linked on the MYM site (at least one of the mirrors) is an older version and crashes for me with patch 16, trying to get the latest version (4.1.1?) to confirm.

On June 14 2010 15:21 kzn wrote:
rude to WeRRa

On June 14 2010 16:51 kzn wrote:
Tester is oGsSKS

[edit] or oGssSKS

zvz really does look pretty stupid from that replay lols

On June 14 2010 12:37 kNyTTyM wrote:


You mentioned a roach into ultralisk style in your latest interview but that sounds pretty vulnerable to an immortal based play. Protoss should naturally build immortals upon seeing the roach base and that only helps his unit composition once you transition. Is it more of a hydra roach mix into ultralisks or straight on roach?

On June 14 2010 17:45 G5 wrote:
asian replay packs... whats next? a black replay pack? how about a latino rep pack? i sure don't know but what i do know is that if i put out a white replay pack i would be considered a racist. fucking double standards.

On June 14 2010 18:34 InfiniteIce wrote:
lol, are you guys seriously debating racism on replay packs? I'm 100% sure GunMan was making a joke.

That being said, I am also quite interested in the responses to GunMan's questions posted above. I think they are very good...especially contrasting the Asian server Zerg playstyle to other servers. My guess is a lot of focus on queens and fast hatch, contrasting vs NA server "IdrA" style tech/macro builds...but having never been able to play on the Asia server I'd love to hear Artosis' response on that

On June 14 2010 18:39 Gunman_csz wrote:


I think you mean G5, was making a joke
I was simply stating that Asian refers to the Asian server, It has nothing to with the race, and more precisely the absurd claim of "double standard" mentioned by G5.

On June 14 2010 12:07 Crywolf wrote:
Does this work with the current patch? If so, how do i get it to work?

On June 14 2010 13:33 JoshSuth wrote:
Very cool to share this with us, Artosis. Do you have any qualms about casting over these for use on YouTube, or were you planning to do that yourself?

On June 14 2010 12:37 kNyTTyM wrote:
Hi I have a question about zvp mid and late game armies. What is your preferred unit composition when dealing with a colossus based army? I was originally using the hydraling corrupter composition that Idra seemed to favor in his released games. However once colossus numbers reach 3+ I can't kill them all quick enough to not have my hydralisk army decimated. I've tried sniping the colossus before engaging with hydralisks but the stalker ball brings them down too quickly. An example of this was in Idra's games versus Tester in the altitude invitational.

You mentioned a roach into ultralisk style in your latest interview but that sounds pretty vulnerable to an immortal based play. Protoss should naturally build immortals upon seeing the roach base and that only helps his unit composition once you transition. Is it more of a hydra roach mix into ultralisks or straight on roach?

Last question is what do you think of a hydralisk ultra combination? I've been experimenting with it a ton in the unit tester/single player to decent affect. Resource wise it costs about the same as hydra corrupter as ultra = 2corrupters. To make up for the fast hive tech I cut carapace until later and rush ultralisks right after lair finishes. The ultralisks tank quite effectively while hydralisks deal out the damage. If he decides not to target ultras, they deal out a ton of splash damage to the clumped protoss ball.

On June 15 2010 09:40 Pandain wrote:
all i get is "Unable to load map." Any suggestions"?

On June 14 2010 12:46 WCH wrote:
sc manager working for patch 15/16?

On June 14 2010 13:35 Turbo.Tactics wrote:


So you were serious when you said: "1 more Zergnerf and I'm out!" ? I'd hate to lose you as a member of the swarm dude...

On June 14 2010 13:52 schiznak wrote:
Artosis, i know the general consensus is that 1-basing as protoss against zerg is un-doable

What do you generally do against a 4-5gate allin from a protoss?

On June 14 2010 13:54 StayFrosty wrote:
Artosis are you going to stick with Zerg on release or switch?

On June 14 2010 13:58 dethrawr wrote:
Thanks for the replays man, I'll be sure to analyse and find all your faults and use them against you next time I come across you in ladder.

On June 14 2010 14:12 Tump wrote:
The Sc2 manager linked on the MYM site (at least one of the mirrors) is an older version and crashes for me with patch 16, trying to get the latest version (4.1.1?) to confirm.

On June 14 2010 14:31 Warri wrote:

spine crawler. MASS spine crawler.

Edit: Lol, just by browsing the replays i have to say...manner up Artosis. These are random ladder games right?
"u should consider quitting this game" Lol'd right there.

On June 14 2010 16:36 FlamingTurd wrote:
Wowowow ty! Haven't had a chance to check em out yet but definitely will! Thnx again in advance <3


Serious Question: How are you able to afford living in such an expensive place there and devote so much time to playing/casting SCII? I've always wondered this especially since SC has been losing the attention lately. Have you saved up money to pay for your living expenses or are still somehow receiving an income?

On June 14 2010 16:41 InfiniteIce wrote:
Could you specify Tester's playername, or which replay it is? They are all just named in the [Recent] autosave format. I checked them out in SC2Gears, but (since I can't read korean too well...I actually tried sounding out every korean name but couldn't find any "tester", so maybe he's on another name?)

Thanks Artosis........this is fuckin' awesome.


Edit: I found out that tester's name should be 서기수 (? I think. Besides the obvious "TesteR") but I don't seem to see that in any of the replays. Sorry if I'm missing it, but do you happen to know which game it was? Unless SC2Gears is hating on me D:

Thank you again.

On June 14 2010 17:24 Hikari wrote:
First of all thank you for uploading a replay package.

Some of your opponents suck.... the terran with korean name has a huge stockpile of resources and in Atosis vs Ptosin he tried for a DT+stargate open with minimal defenses + no wall off...

I believe there is a thread here on TL which shows 9ov > 10 extractor trick. Do you think the person who did the study is incorrect?

I heard people on the asian server like cheese for breakfast (cheesy openings). From my observation you usually scout @ ~14th drone. How would you go about countering a possible proxy 2x 10gate? How about a zealot timing push with +1 weapon upgrade? (you seem to use roachs only in mid-game, after you get a hydra den, as if you are avoiding roachs!) What about a 7 rack reaper all-in cheese?

There is a muta v muta battle in steppes of war. Good use of queens to gain air superiority! I have a feeling that you are letting your opponent take a lot of map control (his mutas are tumor hunting+patrolling all the expansions). Is there a reason you choose not to a little more aggressive with your mutas?

@banelings.
In Artosis vs Idra, given the long travel distance and the ov scout (idra would have loads of time to prepare). Why did you choose to continue with banelings?

On June 14 2010 17:42 fevax wrote:

if you add some infestors with neural parasite into the mix, immortals should no longer be that much of a problem. Since roaches are so cheap compared to other units, you can easily afford infestors as many as needed.

On June 14 2010 17:45 G5 wrote:
asian replay packs... whats next? a black replay pack? how about a latino rep pack? i sure don't know but what i do know is that if i put out a white replay pack i would be considered a racist. fucking double standards.

On June 14 2010 18:06 Gunman_csz wrote:
Ty Artosis, we all <3 your contribution, dedication and commitment to the game and the community. By the way can you force the other three foreigners beside you ( Idra, Tasteless, and Apollo) to release a replay pack as well ( A MEGA REPLAY pack of the 4 Dragons ^^).

Questions:
1.Can you compare and contrast your play-style to Idra. As you have told us many times that you guys discuss strategies together, does that mean you guys play the game in similar ways?

2. How do foreigner Zergs differ from Asian Zergs?

3. I believe you and Idra have experimented a lot vs mech, can you tell us what Is the best way to play vs Mech and Terran in general. what are the crucial timings/moments in the game.

On June 14 2010 18:34 InfiniteIce wrote:
lol, are you guys seriously debating racism on replay packs? I'm 100% sure [G5] was making a joke.

That being said, I am also quite interested in the responses to GunMan's questions posted above. I think they are very good...especially contrasting the Asian server Zerg playstyle to other servers. My guess is a lot of focus on queens and fast hatch, contrasting vs NA server "IdrA" style tech/macro builds...but having never been able to play on the Asia server I'd love to hear Artosis' response on that

A few (simple) questions of my own...

1) Do you find a higher level of difficulty/competency of opponents on the Asia server? This is asked from the view of taking into account the variable playstyles between server "meshing" with your playstyle...so rather, as opposed to "is it harder for your build/playstyle on Asia", this question more or less refers to actually competency of opponents. Or do you see little difference?

1) b] Is there a bigger focus on either (or both, I suppose) macro/micro on Asia, compared to other servers?

2) Do you have a favorite matchup? In terms of fun, rather than "this is easy to win".

3) Do you have a favorite replay in the pack? ^^

aaaand finally...
4) Who has been your hardest opponent/series to date? Whether you won or lost.

On June 14 2010 19:09 Gunman_csz wrote:
I have one more question. After watching Desert Oasis (4) replay, where the Terran opens with dual proxy barracks. It reminded me of one of the videos on scforall (you, idra, forzenarbiter) where talking about why pvt in BW was imbalance. One of the things frozenarbiter said was that because Protoss can proxy/cheeses and even if the cheese fails they can transition smoothly and without any consequence to mid/late game. So don't you think the same dynamic applies to TvZ?

On June 15 2010 11:04 kzr22 wrote:
Hi, Artosis im a big fan of you and will admit it a die hard zerg fan. Ive played zerg and ONLY zerg for the entire beta so i have no idea how to play anyother races but ive come to notice that zerg is so macro intensive its rediculous so im wondering how I could switch to another race or atleast try another out. Currently its impossible for me to even begin to understand another race i dont know when to attack when to expand what counters work or anything. Even if i do the bos right i never seam to win. (one problem was i was trying to transition at platinum level) How do you suggest transitioning to a ore micro intensive race?

BTW ty for the replays will probably stream them

On June 15 2010 11:16 Gunman_csz wrote:
1.It's been long time since last we saw Idra :D, When will you get a chance to interview him?.
2. Can you tell us how much has Apollo improved, is he able to games away from you and tasteless?
3.Who do you think are the top3 of each race in Asia (excluding you and Idra)
4. I see some pro-gamers (Sen) use heatlhbar always on, what do you use and why?
5. Do you have any inside news regarding OSL 2?

On June 15 2010 15:35 Artosis wrote:
Kulas is perhaps the most imbalaced map in sc2. He didn't react or do anything special, just abused the map. that doesn't work anywhere else.

On June 15 2010 11:41 Artosis wrote:
4) I have the health bars off. They cover up too much stuff, make the screen too cluttered. I like to be able to just glance at my screen and fully understand what I'm seeing instantly. I wish there was a button to toggle it on and off. Right now, I sometimes use ALT if I want to know healths of anything.

On June 15 2010 15:40 LSGamer wrote:
Can anyone else get .18 replays to work, it sends me to the apm chart an example being desert heat against tester :/

Earlier a guy mentions the same problem but didn't post how he got it to work, I'm on 4.1.1 too.

Btw, thanks a bunch for these, it's good to see some zerg replays!

On June 15 2010 20:52 InfiniteIce wrote:

Err, there was a hotkey to toggle this on and off, at least in replays. I guess they removed the hotkey for it in replays, too, now it's just a button...
Lame. I find that alt is pretty convenient for my hands though.

Here's another (odd) question..

How do you position your hands on the keyboard? It's easy to see what sort of hotkeys you use in your replays, but do you stick with the homerow? (i.e....pinky finger =1qaz ring = 2wsx middle = 3edc and so on...) or do you have some other way you found more effective? (Do you even use an english style keyboard?! Lol)

On June 15 2010 21:44 Madkipz wrote:
Thanks for the replays, I wonder if you could share your thoughts about the standard set by blizzards maps, as in size, rush distance, how many patches of minerals there are at the main and expansions.

and if you have any spesifics as to what you would like to see in the future.

or is it to early to tell?

On June 15 2010 22:23 Artosis wrote:


im actually writing a huge article on map balance and how it relates to zerg, i'll release part 1 this week.

On June 15 2010 23:07 InfiniteIce wrote:


I totally am looking forward to this

On June 15 2010 22:23 Artosis wrote:


im actually writing a huge article on map balance and how it relates to zerg, i'll release part 1 this week.

On June 15 2010 22:39 ddk wrote:
Mr Artosis, I am sorry to inform that I have not watched your replays but, did you see the daily Day9 did on roach+queens vs ling-baneling -> muta vs dimaga? I only mention it because i've seen you saying ZvZ is boring baneling ling shit, but this is clearly a credible alternative. Check it out yo.

On June 16 2010 00:19 StayFrosty wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to answer everyone's comments Artosis!

I have more question.

Do you find it difficult to mass games in SC2 as opposed to SC1? I.e. after playing 2-3 games of SC2 I feel spent and kind of frustrated as opposed to SC1 where I could play all day. Also, when I win it doesn't feel like an accomplishment as it did in SC1. Do you share similar views?

On June 16 2010 00:52 Knutzi wrote:
when playing against protoss, what do you have a harder time against? templars or collosus

On June 16 2010 01:23 shiftY803 wrote:
I started using the roach/ultra build myself in ZvP after seeing a game or two on your stream. I definitely really like it. The only trouble I have is that really awkward timing when you are teching to hive/building ultra cave/making ultras. If they show up with colossi a little too early, I rarely can defend myself long enough to pop out the ultras.

Do you have any advice on how to time when a zerg player should tech hard for hive/ultras? My strategy was to rely on "feel," which doesn't always work. Thanks!

On June 16 2010 08:19 TzTz wrote:
What if the protoss responds to ultra/roach with 2 or more Robo => Immortals? They counter both pretty well. Any experiences with it?

On June 16 2010 08:42 -ReMeDy- wrote:
Are Ultras worth getting now that they have the bonus to armor? I haven't seen any Husky or HD Zerg matches use Ultras yet. Thanks for uploading the replay pack.

On June 16 2010 08:42 -ReMeDy- wrote:
Are Ultras worth getting now that they have the bonus to armor? I haven't seen any Husky or HD Zerg matches use Ultras yet. Thanks for uploading the replay pack.

On June 16 2010 08:50 TzTz wrote:

They always had the bonus armor upgrade. They just get autospeed now. And it seems like they are worth getting. At least every ZvP i watched from the pack included going for them.

On June 16 2010 09:06 Tump wrote:
Hi Artosis,

Thanks for always being a presence in the community!

When do you expect the IdrA interview to be up?

Thanks!

On June 17 2010 01:52 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Greetings Artosis!

I wonder what your opinion on Queens is. Do you get one for every hatch or do you have a fixed number? It may depend on what the enemy throws at you (countering early banshee/voidray/muta) but I'm asking myself if the 4th 150mins and 2 supply are a good investment midgame...

On June 17 2010 02:37 Gunman_csz wrote:
Thank you so much for answering my previous questions :D

I have few more if you don't mind.
1. Will you be doing any instructional commentaries, like you used to do in sc1, hopefully something before the phase2 <3 .

2. You have extensive knowledge of how sc1 pro-gamers train. So with your experience and knowledge what are the some of the things you think the Koreans are doing right, and some of the things they are doing wrong. For example after seeing Idra perform so well in the OSL qualifier, and Gregs comment about excessive training schedule and its negative effects,

3. I was wondering what is then perhaps the best way to train and improve to get good results.How do you personally train/improve? What are things you like to do. Forexample I know some people like divide their time between different things. They will ladder for an hour, play few custom games, watch their own replays, watch replays of pro-gamers, watch some stream. (Rinse and repeat these day-in and day-out)

4. Do you watch your own replays? If so:
A. Do you do it directly after the game (so you can take notes), Or is their certain part of the day, Or you just watch them randomly?

B. Do you analyze both winning and defeated games? Or just the ones where you lost?

5. What are your thoughts on the current ladder map pool? and Which of them do you think are Zerg favored, neutral, and truly not winnable as zerg.

6. Have you played on SC1 conversion maps on SC2 yet? Do you think SC1 style of maps will work well on SC2, (ie, Destination, fighting spirit, extra)?

On June 17 2010 07:10 BlitZl0l wrote:
I noticed ALOT of the times you only have ~16 drones on minerals. Do you feel this is most efficient?

Explain as much as possible please!!

On June 17 2010 08:45 Anfere wrote:
Thanks for the replays artosis. I watched all the vods interviews you did, and they are really great !

But is it possible to do the interviews in quieter environments. Because most of the times you are in some café or restaurant with background music, people entering and exiting, talking, so heavy background noise that can really be annoying and take away some of the enjoyment of listening to your interviews !

On June 17 2010 08:47 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Hey Artosis,

I'll be honest, I really dont have the time to read through all these posts. But, I was wondering if you had a set of games (say maybe 5) you would like to see cast from this series.

Hopefully 1-2 where you lose so we can talk about the mistakes etc etc. I'd love to cast some of these games!

On June 19 2010 02:47 shiftY803 wrote:
Yeah man, I think I watched the game you were talking about last night. Would be cool to see a cast.

Mass marine with tank support style seems very big in Korea. That an accurate statement? Baneling/overlord drop seems to be the "counter," but I haven't found alot of games where roach/ling/bling results in a win for Z. I feel like muta/ling/bling isn't a viable option unless they are mixing in a significant number of marauders too, but roaches just melt so fast to tanks before the blings can clean up the marines.

Any general thoughts versus the korean biomech style?

On June 20 2010 01:09 HowardRoark wrote:
Artosis, very interesting replays, I have just finished watching them all.

I am curious, you keep talking about Terran mech but now when watching these replays I can't see that you are having any problems with the mech at all. The burrow roaches + doom bling drops in the tank lines really impressed me, and the ultras and infestor play worked out well aswell. I find it very interesting to watch a Zerg trying and being able to break down the pretty tough mech line, so from a spectator point of view I would not want to nerf mech more.

Do you really think the tank needs even less than 50 damage? The problem with nerfing mech more is the risk of Terrans going more bio against Zerg, and because the Marauder is such a boring unit, this could be bad from a spectator point of view.

Instead, look at the Protoss a1ffff Collossi/Sentry/Stalker ball. When they face a maxed Zerg the P does not require any skill whatsoever (when the clash do occur) to completely destroy the Zerg. From a spectator point of view, this clash is really uninteresting, since if the Protoss does not do major major mistakes in pressing a1ffff while the Zerg have to have perfect control, the P will wipe out every Z force on the field. Don't you believe this to be a problem esports-vice? (since in SC1 the maxed P had to have similar skill to the Zerg, when the clash occured, to be able to defeat him)

On June 21 2010 12:06 Johnny_Vegas wrote:
Hey people, seeing that Artosis released this replay pack and that so many were having trouble viewing them (being patch 15), I decided to start my illustrious commentating career with a few of them selected at random.

If you have any tips for me, reply in the youtube comments or this thread. I am experimenting with different commentating styles at the moment. All videos are available in 720p HD (not 1080p though).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpTg78kKR5s&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EKJY_8Yp24&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_pb84jtxDE&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRFMph7yDoU&fmt=22

hahaha the return of Johnny Vegas, holy crap

I'll definitely give them a watch later thx!

Why does Johnny_Vegas sound like some kind of elvis impersonator?

just not the play I was looking for, something seems wrong, I don't really want to waste any more time sorting through these to try and find a gem... has anyone found a good one or is my SC2Manager corrupting the game or even replacing the real one with a fake game?