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On June 11 2010 06:40 v3chr0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:35 avilo wrote:
Notice they said nothing about chatrooms or anything the community has asked for, he just gives of an anecdotal story about how things are gonna be just GREAT! Can we honestly expect anything different from Blizzard beside greatness? The fact that they are listening to complaints about B.net 2.0 and making changes because of them is enough to have hope. What good does it do to sulk and cry about what they didn't say, read between the lines, not everything has to be spelled out for you. Inevitably it all ends the same way, they add what we want, and regardless we all continue to love and play the games they create. Every day there are so many complaints in different forms about Battle.net 2.0; DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THEY DON'T KNOW/CARE ABOUT THIS? Get a clue, honestly, there is a REASON why Blizzard has always come out on top.
What everyone seems to forget is that there was a BIGGER outcry about Modern Warfare 2, and Activision gave everyone the finger. And then MW2 was one of the bestselling games ever. The hardcore group is a minority - and when it comes to sales, they're better off catering to the casual gamer.
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On June 11 2010 10:21 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:40 v3chr0 wrote:On June 11 2010 06:35 avilo wrote:
Notice they said nothing about chatrooms or anything the community has asked for, he just gives of an anecdotal story about how things are gonna be just GREAT! Can we honestly expect anything different from Blizzard beside greatness? The fact that they are listening to complaints about B.net 2.0 and making changes because of them is enough to have hope. What good does it do to sulk and cry about what they didn't say, read between the lines, not everything has to be spelled out for you. Inevitably it all ends the same way, they add what we want, and regardless we all continue to love and play the games they create. Every day there are so many complaints in different forms about Battle.net 2.0; DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THEY DON'T KNOW/CARE ABOUT THIS? Get a clue, honestly, there is a REASON why Blizzard has always come out on top. What everyone seems to forget is that there was a BIGGER outcry about Modern Warfare 2, and Activision gave everyone the finger. And then MW2 was one of the bestselling games ever. The hardcore group is a minority - and when it comes to sales, they're better off catering to the casual gamer.
MW black ops contains dedicated servers.
Second of all MW2 only had decent sales on consoles. Starcraft 2 is not coming to consoles, unless blizzard is a fan of big surprises (lol).
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On June 11 2010 09:47 Half wrote:
Do you guys think that Blizzard coders are jesus christ dinosaur velicoraptor or something? It takes time to develop things fyi.
lold, you know, this make sense. Changes can't happen overnight, can't happen with the beta running and a shitload of info to work up into making sense. Yet, they made an efford to hear our complains and maybe they're working on that now. Just maybe. I don't care about LAN and chat channels anyways (altough it IS weird to think of BN without them).
On June 11 2010 09:49 Mentat wrote:
they serve you the same old activision corporate bullshit and you guys lap it up like thirsty dogs
pure horse shit
battle.net 2.0 will go down in history as a massive failure.
Yeah... No. If you really believed in this you wouldn't waste your time posting stuff in TL. IF you really believe, then forget about this game and go do something usefull, who cares about a massive failure anyway. Go study, play BW, go out with your girlfriend, or anything usefull.
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On June 11 2010 10:08 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 09:49 Mentat wrote:
they serve you the same old activision corporate bullshit and you guys lap it up like thirsty dogs
pure horse shit
battle.net 2.0 will go down in history as a massive failure.
You are so BORING. Jeez. Seriously, do you not realize that you're more a sheep than anyone who's actually thoughtful about this? You're just another boring naysayer raring to bitch and moan about everything. You guys talk about chatrooms like they're Nazi war criminals on the loose. Christ.
I literally just facepalmed. Ok. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're just angry at how people are overreacting. But, I have to tell you, that people are not overreacting.
I love blizzard as much as the next guy, but lets just be honest for a second.
BLIZZARD IS SCREWING UP.
People say that 1)no chat rooms, 2)no cross realm, 3)no lan, 4)facebook integration, 5)privacy issues, 6)the fact that players need permission to run tournaments, 7)the bad league/division system, 8)blizzard limiting map memory for publishers, 9)and the current blizzard model of 3 campaigns released in 3 separate games, isn't a big deal.
Come on, guys. How can you just blindly be like, "Blizzard will fix it!" or "Just play it, you know you'll love it!" when Blizzard IS going to sell an inferior product if it is released without 3/4ths of the above things changed. The top 4 issues of course being 1,2,3,6.
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On June 11 2010 10:35 TLOBrian wrote:
1)no chat rooms, 2)no cross realm, 3)no lan, 4)facebook integration, 5)privacy issues, 6)the fact that players need permission to run tournaments, 7)the bad league/division system, 8)blizzard limiting map memory for publishers, 9)and the current blizzard model of 3 campaigns released in 3 separate games, isn't a big deal.
Uhhhh dont name all Blizzard fails in one post, it makes me lose hope ;(
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If Blizzard is realizing all the flaws with b.net (and there are a lot), then it would be best to delay the game until those major concerns are addressed. Obviously they are already committed to this release date, but its too bad how Blizzard is only fixing these issues after 12 million people suck up and buy their $60 game.
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On June 11 2010 10:35 TLOBrian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 10:08 kajeus wrote:On June 11 2010 09:49 Mentat wrote:
they serve you the same old activision corporate bullshit and you guys lap it up like thirsty dogs
pure horse shit
battle.net 2.0 will go down in history as a massive failure.
You are so BORING. Jeez. Seriously, do you not realize that you're more a sheep than anyone who's actually thoughtful about this? You're just another boring naysayer raring to bitch and moan about everything. You guys talk about chatrooms like they're Nazi war criminals on the loose. Christ. I literally just facepalmed. Ok. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're just angry at how people are overreacting. But, I have to tell you, that people are not overreacting. I love blizzard as much as the next guy, but lets just be honest for a second. BLIZZARD IS SCREWING UP. People say that 1)no chat rooms, 2)no cross realm, 3)no lan, 4)facebook integration, 5)privacy issues, 6)the fact that players need permission to run tournaments, 7)the bad league/division system, 8)blizzard limiting map memory for publishers, 9)and the current blizzard model of 3 campaigns released in 3 separate games, isn't a big deal. Come on, guys. How can you just blindly be like, "Blizzard will fix it!" or "Just play it, you know you'll love it!" when Blizzard IS going to sell an inferior product if it is released without 3/4ths of the above things changed. The top 4 issues of course being 1,2,3,6.
Um I believe it was the same for sc1 I believe TSL got permission for the tournaments thats nothing new... 3 campaigns in 3 different games I don't see a problem tbh but ok. I agree with you otherwise for the most part but still...
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Cool story, Blizzard.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Actions speak louder than words, and so far their actions have been telling me to expect the worst. Please surprise me Blizzard
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There's apparently a common theme to the fans of Blizzard.
We have the haters. "OMFG BNET 2.0 SUCKASS CAUSE..." whatever they may spit out and use whatever means necessary to pin the blame on something. Though they'll buy the game anyway.
And we have the unquestioning lovers. Though the features may suckass, they still don't question Blizzard's motive and defend something about them whatever means necessary such as "omfg its a beta and it's blizzard! they'll fix it!"
makes me wanna go http://www.religiouspeoplearefunny.com/image.axd?picture=2009/10/christians.jpg [NSFRP =Not safe for religious people]
honestly, everything is very questionable. I love blizzard's game and their philosophies. But as of late, many hyped up games have proven to be...erm lacking or isn't as great as we think it may be (Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII in my opinion) and Blizzard could just like this. It's only possible but Blizzard can fail. The Singleplayer will probably most likely kick ass, it's the multiplayer, competitive balancing and ideas they're going for is what I'm worried.
They say they listened to us and indeed, they have. But sometimes, just sometimes, I just wonder if they really listened hard.
I mean really, when was the last time you heard someone go "god I fucking wished we have facebook integration and adding people by email instead of their usernames..."
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People say that 1)no chat rooms, 2)no cross realm, 3)no lan, 4)facebook integration, 5)privacy issues, 6)the fact that players need permission to run tournaments, 7)the bad league/division system, 8)blizzard limiting map memory for publishers, 9)and the current blizzard model of 3 campaigns released in 3 separate games, isn't a big deal.
Come on, guys. How can you just blindly be like, "Blizzard will fix it!" or "Just play it, you know you'll love it!" when Blizzard IS going to sell an inferior product if it is released without 3/4ths of the above things changed. The top 4 issues of course being 1,2,3,6.
Are you sure all of these are problems?
4: Facebook integration is a problem? If you don't like it, don't use it. It's a bonus for people who use Facebook and would like to further integrate that into their life. That's clearly not your generation (nor is it mine), so just ignore it.
Battle.Net 2.0 isn't all about what you want.
6: How is that any different from how it is now with SC1? Technically, you always needed permission, and most real tournament organizers ask. All Blizzard is asking you to do is fire off an e-mail. Is that so hard?
7: It may be bad for you, but it does serve a purpose. I imagine most people will enjoy it.
8: They're also hosting the maps. Google gets away with giving people gigabytes of memory for free because they make money on advertising. The more people who use their free memory, the more ad space they sell. Unless you're suggesting that Blizzard spend lots of money hosting maps that they will never see a return on, which makes no financial sense. Or that Blizzard not host at all, which is a return to the anarchy of Battle.Net 1.0.
9: PC Games have had expansions for at least 15 years; calling BS on it now is ridiculous.
Some of the problems you suggest are real problems that should be worked out (though they're not going to be by release). Many of them are nonsense.
In any case, it seems pretty obvious at this point that none of #1, 2, and 3 are going to happen by release. Blizzard has already gone on record on all of these not being there. They have also gone on record as saying that they will include something that allows people to chat in the future, sometime before the release of the first expansion.
I mean really, when was the last time you heard someone go "god I fucking wished we have facebook integration and adding people by email instead of their usernames..."
Didn't Blizzard state that the e-mail thing was a stop-gap measure that they fully intend to replace?
Let's say that 15 million people buy SC2. It's entirely likely that many of them are people with Facebook accounts, and quite a few of them live and breathe Facebook. Now, ask them if they want Facebook integration in SC2 or not. Odds are, they will out number you.
SC2 isn't just for people on TeamLiquid.
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is this their reply to hd's thread with the kittens? this is complete and utter bs. this is like wow, just crap after heaping pile of crap. they said they were going to revamp the talent trees and make them fun.
anyone who critically thinks knows that personal anecdotes are not real forms of proof of anything. until there is actual proof that they are fixing the problems why believe them?
but it all comes down to money. thats the bottom line. blizzard doesn't care about you or me or any of their fans they just want them to buy the games( and the 2 expansions rofl) and feed them more money so they can keep their stock holders happy and give their ceos big bonuses
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Beta's been down for less than a week and everyone's upset that the feedback they've provided hasn't been implemented yet.
I'm not sure what you want - you're not going to get your changes implemented during the beta hiatus.
I love the dichotomy - Blizzard is the best and they make great games, but oh no, they're not making great games anymore because 2 features I wanted weren't implemented immediately in Beta.
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He sounds like tony the tiger from frosted flakes - not good, but GRREEEEAAATT
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On June 11 2010 12:36 Fraud wrote:
Beta's been down for less than a week and everyone's upset that the feedback they've provided hasn't been implemented yet.
I'm not sure what you want - you're not going to get your changes implemented during the beta hiatus.
I love the dichotomy - Blizzard is the best and they make great games, but oh no, they're not making great games anymore because 2 features I wanted weren't implemented immediately in Beta.
What? People have been voicing their concerns over bnet .5 since before the beta even came out.
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I have a question for all people who are saying that sc2 (or bnet 2.0) sucks / will continue to suck forever.
Is sc1 a good game? If yes, do you remember when it first came out? It was terrible.
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Oh Blizzard you're so cute... now give me my chat channels and LAN please.
On June 11 2010 12:44 dogabutila wrote:
I have a question for all people who are saying that sc2 (or bnet 2.0) sucks / will continue to suck forever.
Is sc1 a good game? If yes, do you remember when it first came out? It was terrible.
Comparing the beta stages of BW and the beta stages of SCII has little to no merit; Blizzard's first great RTS was Starcraft:BW - they've had 10 years of experience in game balance and design afterwards. Should we expect that SCII look like the result of the 1998 Blizzard or the 2010 Blizzard? SCI was not balanced to begin with, and Battle.net certainly had not reached its fullest capabilities at launch, but that doesn't serve as an excuse for Blizzard to completely ignore the sentiments of half of the gaming community.
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Blizzard created and continued development on three franchises that are beyond any other game, ever. We the fans have always been a part of that. For the next two parts of the Starcraft 2 Trilogy we'll see more improvements as we go, with patches in between similar to what happens in World of Warcraft. We've always had more polish applied, always attempting to make it better.
Zydraris is in PR. That's his job description right, to be a voice for the team at Blizzard. The feeling behind those words remind me of who we're really talking about.... Blizzard Entertainment.
I too have been spreading the Activision warcries. (by the way, i'm sure Activision has people watching these types of posts as corporate spies...be wary...) ...spreading the word about those realities is a must, and Blizz knows our demands.
That's why when I buy the game and Diablo 3, I'm buying it from the Blizzard Store. Not gamestop, (who doesnt sell pc games at 3/5 local stores) not Best Buy, etc etc.
Although a possible boycott still crosses my mind when examining the facts... It's too early to tell. But I can't simply believe "they were eaten by Activision" .....lol. It's Blizzard. I'm 28 and have been playing since Orcs and Humans in like 1994.
What I do know from climbing to gold league this beta is that Dustin really led a team to some awesome gameplay. You all know starcraft is the most intense experience evErRRrr...regardless of bnet. Give the devs a small break eh?
I love SC2. It's not perfect, nor was Rome built in a day. Beat your drums to the battle.net 2.0 conflict so blizzard knows they have a RL army behind them. We got this.
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On June 11 2010 10:21 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:40 v3chr0 wrote:On June 11 2010 06:35 avilo wrote:
Notice they said nothing about chatrooms or anything the community has asked for, he just gives of an anecdotal story about how things are gonna be just GREAT! Can we honestly expect anything different from Blizzard beside greatness? The fact that they are listening to complaints about B.net 2.0 and making changes because of them is enough to have hope. What good does it do to sulk and cry about what they didn't say, read between the lines, not everything has to be spelled out for you. Inevitably it all ends the same way, they add what we want, and regardless we all continue to love and play the games they create. Every day there are so many complaints in different forms about Battle.net 2.0; DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THEY DON'T KNOW/CARE ABOUT THIS? Get a clue, honestly, there is a REASON why Blizzard has always come out on top. What everyone seems to forget is that there was a BIGGER outcry about Modern Warfare 2, and Activision gave everyone the finger. And then MW2 was one of the bestselling games ever. The hardcore group is a minority - and when it comes to sales, they're better off catering to the casual gamer.
MW2 Matchmaking system is GREAT for consoles, of that I cannot fault them for. Consoles rely far more heavily on voice chat due to their limitations.
Unfortunately they got lazy and decided to port that directly to the PC. A matchmaking system for PC that features no chat is a dead PC game when it comes to multiplayer. Never ever underestimate how important the social part of a game is when it's mainstay = Bnet 2.0 Sc2 will live or die by the way Bnet 2.0 operates.
Right now it's going to die, thats what everyone is scared of...and SC2 doesn't have consoles to save its ass.
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I think Blizzard's actions tell us that they're so freaking busy just getting a working network and balancing the game that they can't possibly have our requests addressed (whether they will or not) by launch.
Maybe they'll screw up, maybe they won't. But you can't just hire a bunch more new guys to magically make bnet2 awesome in a month. Be patient, wait and see what happens.
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