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Well, this isn't a game. This is their goddamn platform. Why would Blizzard take something that had all these features, and remove it all only to patch it back to being normal again.
Bnet 1.0 should have been the BASE of what Bnet 2.0 should have been, but then they fucked up.
Your comment makes no logical sense
Because they had to rewrite things. Because B.net 2.0 is a new project.
It's like Windows 98 and Windows XP (or 2000 vs. ME is you prefer I guess), things didn't work perfectly at first with Windows XP, but then when applications (features) were ported, and features were worked out properly, and people started adjusting, Windows XP became better and better. The same with Windows Vista (it was very bad at first but became good just before 7 came out), and it will be the same with everything that is more than a simple features update.
Making things takes time. Making things well takes much more time. Finding out late in development that a feature you thought you had replaced is very much wanted by users (chat channels) means you can't just 'throw it in there and then', no matter how many users whine and complain that their feature isn't in there.
Do you think Blizzard will not add chat channels? After all the whine and complaints on various forums?
Saying "but then they fucked up" isn't really bolstering your argument here. Blizzard might have made a mistake, hell, I think they do, but they didn't fuck up. They made a good game. B.net 2.0 is good, especially for a beta. The release version will be much better. Jumping (or even reaching for) to conclusions right now is way, way too early.
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United States47024 Posts
I think a lot of people are angry because they are assuming this is the "comprehensive address" that Blizzard promised. This:
On June 11 2010 06:58 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:57 KawaiiRice wrote:
I can't believe they had to wait like a week and hype up this reply. Lol. This wasn't the reply. This was just a normal post lol. It wasn't even on the same forum, this was on EU, bashes post was in NA.
...needs to be reiterated.
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I'm starting to think that this forum would be ten times better if we forgot that Blizzard existed and thought that SC2 was made by RTS Creation Engine II.
This is starting to become religious, people are just taking one side or the other and refusing to budge on anything.
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these recent "hey guys, look blizzard loves you" anecdotes are all from Vllizard employees it seems
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People are naturally inclined to accept anecdotes in lieu of real solutions.
For some of the americans/canadians in the thread, I would ask you to remember a show that ran on ABC called Undercover Boss where each episode would end in the tears of the executive as they realized how ****y they treated their workers (making them pee in cans, ignoring family illnesses, giving them <2 weeks paid vacation a year) and would solve a few cases and people fricken loved it.
That show did nothing to solve the causes of the problems and a few forum posts will not be enough to convince me that the things I have seen are not indicative of reality.
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blizzard haters be on the prowl. bnet 2.0 isn't perfect, but some of you "zomg corporate activision be ruinin my games" are just complainers.
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On June 11 2010 07:56 beakermimi wrote:
Blizzard aren't stupid enough to not put chatrooms in their games. They know what people want and they won't risk ignoring peoples demands. Blizzard are the best game company, they have plenty of money to do whatever they wanted. People are forgetting that the game is in beta. I wouldn't be surprised if the beta was re-released with LAN support and chat rooms, because these are essential for Starcraft. They know it, the players know it, the players want it, blizzard have always satisfied players... put it all together and what do you get???
Blizzard always satisfied the players? It's not like i think Blizzard is evil or anything, they are a great company but do you know how they killed WoW Open PvP and basically turned the whole pvp system into a big joke? Arena lol. They look to make the most profit.
All they did care about was making the game easier for the dumb players. From Expansion to Expansion it got worse and worse. Can't blame them though thats how a company works, still i was disappointed. What about rating BGs btw, are they still working on it like they said 3 years ago? Im not up to date with warcraft.
So yea I definately can't agree with you.
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I don't understand what my reaction to this is supposed to be. 'Aww, that's sweet'?
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On June 11 2010 07:23 ccdnl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:49 soverRR wrote:On June 11 2010 06:37 Tropics wrote:
there's nothing important in there, just PR. And no amount of PR will save them now. This. This is what is obvious to any pair of unbiased eyes. But hopefully there is some dimple of truth in that Blizz employee's statement.
Of course its PR, thats her fucking job. That doesn't mean she has to be lying.
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Osaka27179 Posts
Bolding, capitalizing, and italicizing curse words doesn't make your post any better. Just a heads up.
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[QUOTE]On June 11 2010 06:40 v3chr0 wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 11 2010 06:35 avilo wrote:
Every day there are so many complaints in different forms about Battle.net 2.0;
DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THEY DON'T KNOW/CARE ABOUT THIS?
Get a clue, honestly, there is a REASON why Blizzard has always come out on top.[/QUOTE]
"Do you really want chat channels?"
Yeah, I think they don't care very much man.
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On June 11 2010 06:49 Musoeun wrote:
But we really would like Blizz to fix Battle.net. And we're used to Blizzard listening to fans (and customers) and getting stuff done that we want. Maybe we're spoiled. But in this case, Blizzard is not showing any intention of fixing the stuff the fans are complaining about.
Don't see how you can say this seeing as Beta is currently down, and that dramatic client changes like the ones we've asked for don't just happen overnight. If they don't show any steps after Beta goes back up then I'd say this is a valid point.
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On June 11 2010 06:40 v3chr0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:35 avilo wrote:
Notice they said nothing about chatrooms or anything the community has asked for, he just gives of an anecdotal story about how things are gonna be just GREAT! Can we honestly expect anything different from Blizzard beside greatness? The fact that they are listening to complaints about B.net 2.0 and making changes because of them is enough to have hope. What good does it do to sulk and cry about what they didn't say, read between the lines, not everything has to be spelled out for you. Inevitably it all ends the same way, they add what we want, and regardless we all continue to love and play the games they create. Every day there are so many complaints in different forms about Battle.net 2.0; DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THEY DON'T KNOW/CARE ABOUT THIS? Get a clue, honestly, there is a REASON why Blizzard has always come out on top.
What did they change about Bnet 2.0? NOTHING. They're just listening thats just it no comments or anything just "Oh just take our word for it. We made a lot of very good game, we know what we are doing."
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A little less conversation a little more action pls
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I wouldn't care so much if they just told us that they were working on adding the features that the community wanted, but on some issues they straight up said "No, we're not doing that." This is what I think pisses most people off.
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On June 11 2010 09:15 -Desu- wrote:
A little less conversation a little more action pls
And before this post the consensus was "WE DEMAND A RESPONSE FROM BLIZZ." One step at a time. How has blizz flooded us with conversation? This is the FIRST response we've gotten.
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Do you guys think that Blizzard coders are jesus christ dinosaur velicoraptor or something? It takes time to develop things fyi.
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they serve you the same old activision corporate bullshit and you guys lap it up like thirsty dogs
pure horse shit
battle.net 2.0 will go down in history as a massive failure.
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Canada5155 Posts
Contrary to popular belief, Blizzard is not solely making Starcraft for Teamliquid or the eSports scene.
Perrrrrhaps they're accommodating larger groups of users who, say for example, like facebook.
Game design, development, and publishing can often be a business first and an art second. Of course, ranking them in this manner is really ignoring the balance achieved; there are occasions when artistic risks are made, but these are not done without doing a little corporate calculus. Regardless, let's not forget that in the grand scheme of things, no matter how large we think competitive gaming and esports are, we're still a niche.
Thankfully we're quite the vocal niche.
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On June 11 2010 09:49 Mentat wrote:
they serve you the same old activision corporate bullshit and you guys lap it up like thirsty dogs
pure horse shit
battle.net 2.0 will go down in history as a massive failure.
You are so BORING. Jeez.
Seriously, do you not realize that you're more a sheep than anyone who's actually thoughtful about this? You're just another boring naysayer raring to bitch and moan about everything.
You guys talk about chatrooms like they're Nazi war criminals on the loose. Christ.
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