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On June 11 2010 06:49 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +We're all upset because feature x (chat chanels, LAN support, Lurkers, Reavers, Defilers, Scourge, Arbiters, Goliaths, etc.) is not included in the game, but just because they don't have everything from BW doesn't mean the game will fail automatically. The game is good. The game will probably be patched to be even better. If it never matches BW, really that's okay because BW is something special. But we all know this already and I don't know anybody (although some are probably still out there) who's worried about the game. But we really would like Blizz to fix Battle.net. And we're used to Blizzard listening to fans (and customers) and getting stuff done that we want. Maybe we're spoiled. But in this case, Blizzard is not showing any intention of fixing the stuff the fans are complaining about. At this point 95% of us are sold that the game's going to be good, but we'd like to actually be able to play it the way we want to.
Let us please not act like we know everything (for that matter, anything) that Blizzard is doing. They are constantly developing, testing, creating new things to be implement and just because we don't see it immediately, doesn't mean we'll eventually get what we want.
We might not get straight up chat channels right away, but, knowing Blizzard, they will give us a compromise that is just as good, if not better.
We need to stop with all of this instant gratification bullshit that society demands today, and let Blizzard do their job. Constructive feedback is good, but I rarely see that, at least in Blizzards direction.
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On a serious note, I can confirm you that Phase Two will start in several weeks, but we will disclose more information about the detailed plan of Phase Two as we get closer to it, don't worry, just follow these forums! Edit: "Several weeks" meaning "Being of a number more than two or three but not many" 
Actually this blue quote makes more happy though. I'm all for some semi-genuine dialogue between the community and blues, but this is way better.
The fact that a detailed plan needs to exist implies several core changes in functionality, and core changes in functionality most likely points towards changes in b-net.
And changes in b-net make me a happy camper. It doesn't have to be chat channels right noaw, any change is good change at this point, it can't really suck any more :p.
That is unless that change is "Now includes twitter integration" -_-.
Let us please not act like we know everything (for that matter, anything) that Blizzard is doing. They are constantly developing, testing, creating new things to be implement and just because we don't see it immediately, doesn't mean we'll eventually get what we want.
Where theirs your problem.
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On June 11 2010 07:01 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:49 Musoeun wrote:We're all upset because feature x (chat chanels, LAN support, Lurkers, Reavers, Defilers, Scourge, Arbiters, Goliaths, etc.) is not included in the game, but just because they don't have everything from BW doesn't mean the game will fail automatically. The game is good. The game will probably be patched to be even better. If it never matches BW, really that's okay because BW is something special. But we all know this already and I don't know anybody (although some are probably still out there) who's worried about the game. But we really would like Blizz to fix Battle.net. And we're used to Blizzard listening to fans (and customers) and getting stuff done that we want. Maybe we're spoiled. But in this case, Blizzard is not showing any intention of fixing the stuff the fans are complaining about. At this point 95% of us are sold that the game's going to be good, but we'd like to actually be able to play it the way we want to. Let us please not act like we know everything (for that matter, anything) that Blizzard is doing. They are constantly developing, testing, creating new things to be implement and just because we don't see it immediately, doesn't mean we'll eventually get what we want. We might not get straight up chat channels right away, but, knowing Blizzard, they will give us a compromise that is just as good, if not better. We need to stop with all of this instant gratification bullshit that society demands today, and let Blizzard do their job. Constructive feedback is good, but I rarely see that, at least in Blizzards direction.
I totally agree. It saddens me how gamers have become consumers that "want everything now and also this other thing!" if you know what I mean -.-
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On June 11 2010 06:56 GodIsNotHere wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:53 Half wrote:uh could you link to this quote? Blizzard is not showing any intention of fixing the stuff the fans are complaining about. At this point int the development cycle it isn't realistic to expect them to implement chat channels before release. This is true but I'm pretty sure the majority of people take it as a really bad joke that no one at Blizzard thought that the community might just want to have the ability to talk to each other.
i dont know, mby they had some statistic how much the chat is used?
i for examle havent been using the chat since years, having all my ppl in irc and more importantly teamspeak made it so 98 to actually type if u can SPEAK instead
mby they took their sc and wc3 bnet data and noticed that the majority just dont use chat that much?
but ofc even then i cant understand whats the deal to put chat into bnet 2.0, even if it only used by a minority, its not a 4th race afterall
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On June 11 2010 07:04 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 07:01 ryanAnger wrote:On June 11 2010 06:49 Musoeun wrote:We're all upset because feature x (chat chanels, LAN support, Lurkers, Reavers, Defilers, Scourge, Arbiters, Goliaths, etc.) is not included in the game, but just because they don't have everything from BW doesn't mean the game will fail automatically. The game is good. The game will probably be patched to be even better. If it never matches BW, really that's okay because BW is something special. But we all know this already and I don't know anybody (although some are probably still out there) who's worried about the game. But we really would like Blizz to fix Battle.net. And we're used to Blizzard listening to fans (and customers) and getting stuff done that we want. Maybe we're spoiled. But in this case, Blizzard is not showing any intention of fixing the stuff the fans are complaining about. At this point 95% of us are sold that the game's going to be good, but we'd like to actually be able to play it the way we want to. Let us please not act like we know everything (for that matter, anything) that Blizzard is doing. They are constantly developing, testing, creating new things to be implement and just because we don't see it immediately, doesn't mean we'll eventually get what we want. We might not get straight up chat channels right away, but, knowing Blizzard, they will give us a compromise that is just as good, if not better. We need to stop with all of this instant gratification bullshit that society demands today, and let Blizzard do their job. Constructive feedback is good, but I rarely see that, at least in Blizzards direction. I totally agree. It saddens me how gamers have become consumers that "want everything now and also this other thing!" if you know what I mean -.-
Your partially right, but gamers have every bit to be outraged when a crucial feature is expectantly dropped and not expected to be released until several months after release in a drastically changed form, especially when "change" in this medium more often then not means "dumbed down".
Theirs too sides of every issue. Sure you have the knee jerkers who are incapable of higher process thinking but you also have people who would most likely buy a load of dogshit if it was packaged neatly and had their brand name of choice. (Not accusing you of that).
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Yes yes this is all nice and merry
But they're being so vague with these little "promises"
They haven't been specific about any of the things they're going to "fix". Nothing about chat channels (HOW FUCKING HARD WOULD IT BE?), no intentions of removing the crappy Division system/no universal ladder ranking to see who truly is the best player in the world, no mention of cross-server play, not a single hint of LAN/offline multiplayer play.
Blizzard has spit back in our faces time and time again. In recent interviews they're basically just saying "Yeah, we know you want chat channels, LAN, etc. but we really don't care because you know you'll buy the game anyways. gg Blizz fans"
Until they specifically address at least one of these issues (for me chat channels is the biggest one), I refuse to believe they're actually going to "fix" anything. For all we know, they'll just throw another crappy substitution like Facebook integration and say "here guys, this fixes everything!"
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On June 11 2010 07:04 clickrush wrote:
It saddens me how gamers have become consumers that "want everything now and also this other thing!" if you know what I mean -.-
This would be a little different if Blizzard would at least live up to their own standard they set with a game they made 11 years ago.
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Well to be honest just because you are #1 in the ladder out of everyone doesn't mean your the best player  .
I have faith in blizzard I just don't see them ignoring everything we have said so far and if not well at least the game is good and blizzard will just lose respect and will have to work hard to get that back Raging about it and all that isn't going to fix the problem let alone will blizzard pay attention when you act like a spoiled little kid they don't' take posts like that seriously which I don't blame them for. Its hard to make everyone happy even if they did have LAN/Chat rooms there would still be a bunch of people complaining about something else.
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On June 11 2010 07:14 blade55555 wrote:Well to be honest just because you are #1 in the ladder out of everyone doesn't mean your the best player . I have faith in blizzard I just don't see them ignoring everything we have said so far and if not well at least the game is good and blizzard will just lose respect and will have to work hard to get that back Raging about it and all that isn't going to fix the problem let alone will blizzard pay attention when you act like a spoiled little kid they don't' take posts like that seriously which I don't blame them for. Its hard to make everyone happy even if they did have LAN/Chat rooms there would still be a bunch of people complaining about something else.
True, but it's a very good measure.
If they just put chat channels in, I would be happy enough to stop complaining. I can't say that's the same for everybody, but that's the biggest red flag for me.
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On June 11 2010 06:49 soverRR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:37 Tropics wrote:
there's nothing important in there, just PR. And no amount of PR will save them now. This.
This is what is obvious to any pair of unbiased eyes. But hopefully there is some dimple of truth in that Blizz employee's statement.
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On June 11 2010 07:10 Ronald_McD wrote:
Yes yes this is all nice and merry
But they're being so vague with these little "promises"
They haven't been specific about any of the things they're going to "fix". Nothing about chat channels (HOW FUCKING HARD WOULD IT BE?), no intentions of removing the crappy Division system/no universal ladder ranking to see who truly is the best player in the world, no mention of cross-server play, not a single hint of LAN/offline multiplayer play.
Blizzard has spit back in our faces time and time again. In recent interviews they're basically just saying "Yeah, we know you want chat channels, LAN, etc. but we really don't care because you know you'll buy the game anyways. gg Blizz fans"
Until they specifically address at least one of these issues (for me chat channels is the biggest one), I refuse to believe they're actually going to "fix" anything. For all we know, they'll just throw another crappy substitution like Facebook integration and say "here guys, this fixes everything!"
Let's think a little more objectively instead of screaming HOW HARD CAN IT BE?!
Is Blizzard stupid?
Has Blizzard ever thought of the short term?
Has Blizzard ever thought "Oh this might be sloppy, but we're Blizzard, they buy our stuff anyways"?
Or has Blizzard been the single most long-term-thinking company in pretty much the entire industry? Has Blizzard not released patches for Starcraft in the last few years?
No. They think in the long-term. And not because they love us so much but because they're not stupid. They know that a game like Starcraft 2 is a long-term bet, they have two expansions planned, they want to make a game that's good for the simple reason that it'll make them SELL.
That's why the quote from page one is so important. They know the game can be better. They acknowledge it. That means that it's in their best interests to fix it. Whatever they do, they do to make the game better, and if you don't want to believe that, I'd hate to be your employee. (not a personal attack here, sorry.)
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The guy quoted by OP did a good thing. Everyone talks about Blizzard as if they are this entity in and of itself and forget it is really just a collection of people, many just like you and me. They make money, they work hard -- they screw some stuff up they get some right too.
I do think OP is a bit silly, as the title is somewhat anti-climactic. This is a nice note, but not really a major announcement or even direct response to some of the more topical criticism.
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At the end of it all :
Haters are going to hate no matter what
Lovers are going to love no matter what
Whiners are going to whine no matter what
My personal opinion(for the thousand't time)-> As blattle.net 1.0 was majorly crappy at the beginning and still has serious flaws (despite what some people lead you to believe) it will be the same way in the beginning of a new system. Blizzard has set a goal for themselves to try to please everyone and that (quite apparently) is realy hard to do and will take some time. I love the game itself and think it will meet or surpass it's predecessor as a competitive esport and will be patient as new features and improvements will surely come with patches and the expansions.
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On June 11 2010 07:10 Ronald_McD wrote:Yes yes this is all nice and merry But they're being so vague with these little "promises" They haven't been specific about any of the things they're going to "fix". Nothing about chat channels (HOW FUCKING HARD WOULD IT BE?), no intentions of removing the crappy Division system/no universal ladder ranking to see who truly is the best player in the world, no mention of cross-server play, not a single hint of LAN/offline multiplayer play. Blizzard has spit back in our faces time and time again. In recent interviews they're basically just saying "Yeah, we know you want chat channels, LAN, etc. but we really don't care because you know you'll buy the game anyways. gg Blizz fans"
Until they specifically address at least one of these issues (for me chat channels is the biggest one), I refuse to believe they're actually going to "fix" anything. For all we know, they'll just throw another crappy substitution like Facebook integration and say "here guys, this fixes everything!"edit: Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 07:04 clickrush wrote:
It saddens me how gamers have become consumers that "want everything now and also this other thing!" if you know what I mean -.- This would be a little different if Blizzard would at least live up to their own standard they set with a game they made 11 years ago.
You're devoured by your Blizzard anger. (You're not the only one... sadly)
Stay objective, try not to see the devil in everything coming from Blizzard. In the end I doubt you really wanna hate this one company so much.
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I understand the lack of offline play. Piracy is a serious problem and they have every right to require people to be connected to the internet to play. Although I am sure it will be bypassed quickly I still don't care. Every lan I have been to has had an internet connection. However, lan latency while on a lan while connected to battle.net should definitely be implemented.
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On June 11 2010 07:00 exnomendei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:54 Scorch wrote:
Battle.net 2.0 is matchmaking and otherwise a boatload of steps backwards. Zhydaris admitting it isn't perfect and then telling some unrelated anecdote doesn't do anything to cheer me up. Battle.net wasn't great either when SC just came out. B.net became good through updates and patches.
Well, this isn't a game. This is their goddamn platform. Why would Blizzard take something that had all these features, and remove it all only to patch it back to being normal again.
Bnet 1.0 should have been the BASE of what Bnet 2.0 should have been, but then they fucked up.
Your comment makes no logical sense
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Blizzard aren't stupid enough to not put chatrooms in their games. They know what people want and they won't risk ignoring peoples demands. Blizzard are the best game company, they have plenty of money to do whatever they wanted. People are forgetting that the game is in beta. I wouldn't be surprised if the beta was re-released with LAN support and chat rooms, because these are essential for Starcraft. They know it, the players know it, the players want it, blizzard have always satisfied players... put it all together and what do you get???
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Has Blizzard actually done something with SC2 that's not due to WoW players crying about how imba a certain unit is?
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On June 11 2010 07:56 beakermimi wrote:
Blizzard aren't stupid enough to not put chatrooms in their games. They know what people want and they won't risk ignoring peoples demands. Blizzard are the best game company, they have plenty of money to do whatever they wanted. People are forgetting that the game is in beta. I wouldn't be surprised if the beta was re-released with LAN support and chat rooms, because these are essential for Starcraft. They know it, the players know it, the players want it, blizzard have always satisfied players... put it all together and what do you get???
Except...
http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=279372
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no question, bnet 2.0 will have all of the requested features and more eventually (except lan)
... available through microtransactions
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i hate how blizzard optimists seem to put being in brood war as a bad thing.
there argument is such that, just because it was in brood war, it doesn't have to be in SC2.
and although you are free to point out the flaw that i am not 100% quoting an am rather paraphrasing but id like to put across the point that its not because it was in brood war and we want our beloved back. its because they are very good features. pour example chat channels, chat channels were great in brood war and served what they needed to do, they could get a little bit spammy but they served there purpose, now compare it too blizzards battle.net, Facebook integration, i cannot say whether or not this service is serving its purpose because as far as i can tell, it serves no discernible one.
there is plenty of things from brood war we don't and we just think its wrong not too learn from the only other experience we have with starcraft games, in regards to improving this one.
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