• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:50
CET 21:50
KST 05:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1539 users

A short history of Activision Blizzard or how... - Page 38

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 49 Next All
psion
Profile Joined May 2010
106 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 17:26:32
July 02 2010 17:24 GMT
#741
If you were a business exec you'd realize that content control and planned obsolescence is more profitable in the lifespan of an IP. Making the perfect game won't make nearly as much money as milking a decent game.
divinesage
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore649 Posts
July 02 2010 18:13 GMT
#742
On July 03 2010 02:24 psion wrote:
If you were a business exec you'd realize that content control and planned obsolescence is more profitable in the lifespan of an IP. Making the perfect game won't make nearly as much money as milking a decent game.


I think it's time capitalism starts to think about how to give back to the community, and the world at large. Otherwise I don't see a future for the global economy anyway.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
July 02 2010 18:18 GMT
#743
On July 03 2010 03:13 divinesage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 02:24 psion wrote:
If you were a business exec you'd realize that content control and planned obsolescence is more profitable in the lifespan of an IP. Making the perfect game won't make nearly as much money as milking a decent game.


I think it's time capitalism starts to think about how to give back to the community, and the world at large. Otherwise I don't see a future for the global economy anyway.

Well that is in the hands of the consumers. Do YOU intend to NOT buy Starcraft II if you are dissatisfied with their policy?

Personally I have a "black list" of several major companies (several oil companies, one electronics innovation giant, one soft drink company, ...) whose products I dont buy. Are you willing to make the same sacrifice?
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
July 02 2010 18:20 GMT
#744
On July 03 2010 03:18 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 03:13 divinesage wrote:
On July 03 2010 02:24 psion wrote:
If you were a business exec you'd realize that content control and planned obsolescence is more profitable in the lifespan of an IP. Making the perfect game won't make nearly as much money as milking a decent game.


I think it's time capitalism starts to think about how to give back to the community, and the world at large. Otherwise I don't see a future for the global economy anyway.

Well that is in the hands of the consumers. Do YOU intend to NOT buy Starcraft II if you are dissatisfied with their policy?

Personally I have a "black list" of several major companies (several oil companies, one electronics innovation giant, one soft drink company, ...) whose products I dont buy. Are you willing to make the same sacrifice?


Not much of a sacrifice when there are close substitutes for all of those.
pRo9aMeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
595 Posts
July 02 2010 20:53 GMT
#745
wow, i didn't expect myself to actually read the whole thing but every part of it was such an eye-opener for me. I mean, I knew a little bit, but I didn't know all this.

Phenomenal OP
In training...let's play, gg! d^..^b
Chewie
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark708 Posts
July 02 2010 20:59 GMT
#746
On May 31 2010 06:58 Murdoink wrote:
Blizzard is the girl you liked in school
Activision is the typical asshole with money
And now they're married

Videogames

well said...

Damn this thread was a brick of reality right in my face :/
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
July 02 2010 21:02 GMT
#747
what bugged me the most was the 1 wish thing.

online subscription for call of duty. REALLY? not making all your games bot/hacker free, not making something a better experience but subscription?

i think he's trolling us, im 50% convinced he's trolling.
Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
July 02 2010 22:04 GMT
#748
after MW2 I'm probably never going to buy another activision game
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
July 02 2010 22:13 GMT
#749
the problem for us PC gamers is that it won't be of any use to us if we simply don't buy games. The CEOs are mostly complete morons who have no idea about the dynamics of the industry (the same thing is the case for music record labels) and they're simply not going to produce PC games anymore instead of trying to make something better ~~
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
July 02 2010 22:31 GMT
#750
On July 03 2010 06:02 shawster wrote:
what bugged me the most was the 1 wish thing.

online subscription for call of duty. REALLY? not making all your games bot/hacker free, not making something a better experience but subscription?

i think he's trolling us, im 50% convinced he's trolling.


I would say he is honest. He is there to make money, that's it.
I'm not defending him, Kotick is an ass but at least he isn't hiding it.
uremog
Profile Joined May 2010
United States6 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 22:35:45
July 02 2010 22:33 GMT
#751
I used to think things like "It'd be awesome to work for Blizzard". Now I just think "I'd never want my name mentioned in the same foul breath as Activision".

I feel so sorry for Blizzard.

Honestly, they're not enough to keep me from buying the game. But I'm sure many people would rather not buy (oh you know what i mean) because of Activision's decisions.
Gdarkness
Profile Joined November 2009
United States40 Posts
July 03 2010 00:27 GMT
#752
It's a bummer that Blizzard/Activision is moving in a direction that seems to focus more on milking money than providing a fun experience, since the history of Blizzard has been incredible games without constantly emptying your wallet to "have fun".

But I'm not worried, if another company realizes and "capitalizes" on what made Blizzard such a good developer, it won't be long before good games make a comeback.

I wouldn't blame "greed" towards Activision/Blizzards direction because all video games have a price tag (or an item shop, mechanism for revenue, etc.). All companies will be greedy, but when they lose track of the customer/community, then their downfall will follow.
be internet.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
July 03 2010 00:33 GMT
#753
On July 03 2010 07:04 Undisputed- wrote:
after MW2 I'm probably never going to buy another activision game


You mean InfinityWard because Activision only published it.
Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
July 03 2010 00:51 GMT
#754
I finally figured out whats been bothering me about kotick... Is it just me or is he the cockmongler?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-03 04:26:12
July 03 2010 04:23 GMT
#755
On July 03 2010 03:20 TOloseGT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 03:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 03 2010 03:13 divinesage wrote:
On July 03 2010 02:24 psion wrote:
If you were a business exec you'd realize that content control and planned obsolescence is more profitable in the lifespan of an IP. Making the perfect game won't make nearly as much money as milking a decent game.


I think it's time capitalism starts to think about how to give back to the community, and the world at large. Otherwise I don't see a future for the global economy anyway.

Well that is in the hands of the consumers. Do YOU intend to NOT buy Starcraft II if you are dissatisfied with their policy?

Personally I have a "black list" of several major companies (several oil companies, one electronics innovation giant, one soft drink company, ...) whose products I dont buy. Are you willing to make the same sacrifice?


Not much of a sacrifice when there are close substitutes for all of those.

Sure it is, when the closest gas station isnt one of that you "allow yourself to use" and when you have been an addict for "their Cola" for years and cant stand "the other brand". With the number of screw-ups of oil companies there is almost none left to use, but I am using my bike for as many trips as I can.

I doubt there is a "close substitute" for Starcraft, so that would be a big sacrifice. Personally I have waited for SC 2 for years as the one game I want to play. I will now "play it later", when there is a compilation of all three campaigns for 10€ or so. That minimizes the profit which they will make from me.

On July 03 2010 07:31 Piski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 06:02 shawster wrote:
what bugged me the most was the 1 wish thing.

online subscription for call of duty. REALLY? not making all your games bot/hacker free, not making something a better experience but subscription?

i think he's trolling us, im 50% convinced he's trolling.


I would say he is honest. He is there to make money, that's it.
I'm not defending him, Kotick is an ass but at least he isn't hiding it.

That is the "beaty" of it from their perspective ... they can be as greedy and as bad as they want and still it will make millions due to Blizzards reputation and the addiction level and spinelessness of their customers.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 03 2010 05:48 GMT
#756
Eh... some of these things aren't really legit concerns and some fueled by misinformation. Like the map marketplace... something like that is mostly there to allow somebody to put some money into making good mods. And you don't have to buy any of it if you don't want to. The way you wrote it out sounded like ALL maps will have to be payed for and there is some sort of fear of being nickeled and dimed for maps which is just silly since we have access to the map editor and there is little demand for more melee maps outside of the ladder pool.

And the WoW services like name changes. Before ANY of that was available there were many, many, many, many threads concerning things like race change, name change, and that people were willing to pay for it. I can see why some hate these features, because they feel these things should be free. Can't seem to find a word for that. What's a good word for someone expecting things to be free? Anyway, those features cost money to develop and part of the reason for the fee is that they don't want you using them (as one of the concerns for opening these features up, like realm transfers is people can abuse them if they were free, people jumping ship when their reputation sucks because they couldn't behave themselves). And before you say, why wouldn't Blizzard want money for using these features? Well some of these features have lengthy cooldowns so yeah.

And as far as the three expansions go... what's not to like about more expansions? The campaign still has the same number of missions as with SC1, so it's not like they split 1 product into 3 like MANY people continue to make it out to be. If you look at their single player, they didn't just throw together 30 missions and called it a day. They have all this RPG bullshit in there too. So from a design standpoint you can see why they did it.

Then the LAN issue... OK, LAN is cool, but your reason for it basically is so you can pirate it or "try it out" is the exact reason why there is no LAN. You just prove Blizzard right for taking it out. Tournament concerns for LAN is more legit.

As for EVERYTHING else, it disturbs me greatly and I fear for the future of Blizzard. Whoever said that Activizard is like a junky who wants to make a quick buck got it right. Wow... Kotick makes EA look like a good company. I haven't bought a game with "EA" slapped on the packaging in years. If they can treat Infinity Ward that way what can we say about Blizzard?
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Chewie
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark708 Posts
July 03 2010 06:11 GMT
#757
On July 03 2010 07:31 Piski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 06:02 shawster wrote:
what bugged me the most was the 1 wish thing.

online subscription for call of duty. REALLY? not making all your games bot/hacker free, not making something a better experience but subscription?

i think he's trolling us, im 50% convinced he's trolling.


I would say he is honest. He is there to make money, that's it.
I'm not defending him, Kotick is an ass but at least he isn't hiding it.

I'd like to cut your balls off. But I'm totally open about that.
zergporn
Profile Joined April 2010
Estonia156 Posts
July 03 2010 19:55 GMT
#758
noticed this today, tho its somewhat relevant to the thread lol
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
source: link
the game changes as you get higher
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12238 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-03 20:05:03
July 03 2010 20:03 GMT
#759
On July 03 2010 14:48 Ownos wrote:
And the WoW services like name changes. Before ANY of that was available there were many, many, many, many threads concerning things like race change, name change, and that people were willing to pay for it. I can see why some hate these features, because they feel these things should be free. Can't seem to find a word for that. What's a good word for someone expecting things to be free?


Entitled. And you're exactly right. There's far too much of that mentality permeating the community.
Moderator
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
July 03 2010 22:10 GMT
#760
I especially enjoyed a quote from that youtube video... he was talking about production values in games and how theyre on the rise and this will "allow us to unfold stories, develop characters.."

GOOD LORD MAN! You obviously know absolutely jack-shit-nothing about the history of your industry. There are SO many incredible stories from games dating all the way back to the 80s, and some tiny production values too! I'd start naming games but there are so many examples I just don't know where to start... This man is a complete idiot.
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 49 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group B
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
ZZZero.O167
LiquipediaDiscussion
LAN Event
15:00
Stellar Fest: Day 3
Clem vs ZounLIVE!
ComeBackTV 1620
UrsaTVCanada829
IndyStarCraft 366
EnkiAlexander 76
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 366
White-Ra 246
ProTech130
CosmosSc2 80
Railgan 66
ForJumy 18
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 167
Backho 68
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
PGG 62
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox909
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu480
Other Games
Grubby4012
FrodaN1637
B2W.Neo861
ceh9246
mouzStarbuck181
Sick136
Pyrionflax95
Mew2King94
ArmadaUGS72
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick951
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 23 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 26
• davetesta24
• Adnapsc2 15
• Reevou 8
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach21
• HerbMon 14
• Michael_bg 3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler72
• lizZardDota253
• Noizen43
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2300
Other Games
• WagamamaTV515
• Shiphtur358
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h 11m
ReBellioN vs HiGhDrA
Shameless vs Demi
LetaleX vs Mute
Percival vs TBD
OSC
12h 11m
Wardi Open
15h 11m
Wardi Open
19h 11m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 15h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.