because you already have the required buildings to pump out reapers en masse (assuming you are going bio build) and most factories would be better served with a tech lab for tanks or thor. Also, i think reapers are far more mobile.

PanzerDragoon

United States822 Posts

April 29 2010 22:05 GMT

#22

Keep in mind I'm not saying they are underpowered. I'm saying they are similar to Ultras in their role is already fulfilled by better, more versatile units.

Are reapers really that much better harassers than Hellions past the very early game? And they just have no utility past the 10 rax that other things don't already do (a medivac with 8 stimmed marines is a way better harass than the reapers, for example)

PanzerDragoon

United States822 Posts

April 29 2010 22:06 GMT

#23

On April 30 2010 07:05 nTooMuch wrote:

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If you are pumping reapers over marauders against P or T or over marines against Z you will probably lose.

Floophead_III

United States1832 Posts

April 29 2010 22:38 GMT

#24

Reapers fill the cheese role for terran. That's it. They're a dumb unit and honestly should be removed from the game or redesigned (bring back old school d8 charges plz)

leeznon

United States255 Posts

April 29 2010 22:39 GMT

#25

I don't think that Reapers should be a unit that's built from the barracks.

Since Reapers are strictly a harass unit, Reapers should be an upgrade to the marines. You should have to upgrade the Reaper jet pack from the tech lab, so you just select some marines to upgrade to Reapers.

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

April 29 2010 22:43 GMT

#26

On April 30 2010 07:39 leeznon wrote:
I don't think that Reapers should be a unit that's built from the barracks.

Since Reapers are strictly a harass unit, Reapers should be an upgrade to the marines. You should have to upgrade the Reaper jet pack from the tech lab, so you just select some marines to upgrade to Reapers.

Oh, you mean like how a zerg unit morphs into something else? That's totally the style of terran.

Zeke50100

United States2220 Posts

April 29 2010 22:47 GMT

#27

On April 30 2010 07:00 PanzerDragoon wrote:

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How are they better against those than Hellions? Which only cost minerals and can be pumped via reactors?

Reapers outdamage Hellions by a crapload, and much more easily microed. It really depends on whether or not you have a Fac.

Also, Hydras are VERY commonly used. Marauders are always used, but only because everybody thinks the Reaper sucks. If people knew, Reapers would be used against heavy Hydra armies.

lubu42

United States314 Posts

April 29 2010 22:49 GMT

#28

Well, how I build for Terran, I always start with reaper attack. It's not really a rush but quick into the game i can get a small squad that either ends the game or does some huge damage.

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That's a replay of a quick game i just played. After watching the replay i DO realize that the guy wasn't very good and that he didn't even start mining until about 10 seconds into the game but i assume he went afk for a sec. Either way, I do what happens in the replay everygame and it always has an impact whether it's against experienced players or nubs. After this i transition into my main build but ill save that for another forum. This is how in my opinion reapers should be used. They can one shot workers in a small squad like that, and they're very easy to kite with when you research nitro.

Boxhead

United States13 Posts

April 29 2010 22:52 GMT

#29

I think reapers are Terran's ability to annoy early game. Zerg have Zerglings and Protoss have chrono-boosted Zealots.

Also Reapers are good for drawing attention away from somewhere else, such as a choke.

teekesselchen

Germany886 Posts

April 29 2010 22:57 GMT

#30

-> 3, 4 Reapers you store for backstabbing won't do much damage if there are just 2 Stalkers or a cannon
-> Zerg should know what's up close to his base du to overlords plus he always has a queen
-> Didn't see it in TvT either, maybe because it's so gas heavy.

Games are way to clumsy with lot of basecamping to play reapers well imo. Actually it's more useful to go for marauder drop in most cases exept für early reaper harassment ofc although players did noticed that already and play stable counter builds.

I think the Reaper is an example for an overly specialized unit. It's way cooler to do such things with less specialized units plus those don't have to worry to be useless in combat.

TheTuna

United States286 Posts

April 29 2010 22:57 GMT

#31

In my opinion, Reapers should be able to Stim. The ability should only increase movespeed and increase pistol attack speed-stimmed D-8s would obviously be horrifically imbalanced.

I think this combined with nitro packs would make them possibly effective in stand-up fights against melee/short range units whilst also adding in some really fun micro.

That, or just increase them to 10 damage per shot base; that way they'd be capable of putting out some serious DPS while remaining glass cannons that are easily killed. Plus, it'd be another alternative to help Terrans deal with Immortals.

Thoughts? Anything that makes them more viable later on is needed. One marauder or stalker on a cliff means GG for your reaper harass.

No_eL

Chile1438 Posts

April 29 2010 23:00 GMT

#32

i think mines being researched, and cost like 100-100 could make reapers like vulture, would be awesome an army with reapers flanking an putting mines (maybe just 1 per unit), they are fragile but could be devastating researchin speed and mines in late game!

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

April 29 2010 23:01 GMT

#33

The problem is their role crosses over with the Hellion.
A fast harass unit that kills light?!
I'd rather spend 100 minerals and have an aoe attack, than 50 minerals and 50 precious gas.

I think that the terrain jump ability should be removed BUT they should higher HP and do a lot of high base damage to light and immortals, giving them a sensible role in the Terran ground army.

Oh and as for scouting... we need non OC scan back, that's a must imo.
Information for Terran in SC2 is too hard to come by.

TheTuna

United States286 Posts

April 29 2010 23:02 GMT

#34

On April 30 2010 08:00 No_eL wrote:
i think mines being researched, and cost like 100-100 could make reapers like vulture, would be awesome an army with reapers flanking an putting mines (maybe just 1 per unit), they are fragile but could be devastating researchin speed and mines in late game!

As much as I love spider mines, I think we need to avoid bringing them back.

If Blizzard is trying to change the SC2 meta away from the SC1 meta mines are a huge thing that really needs to go. They are quintessential SC1.

Wr3k

Canada2533 Posts

April 29 2010 23:03 GMT

#35

The purpose of the reaper is to be annoying and kill workers/tech buildings.

snace

Austria25 Posts

April 29 2010 23:05 GMT

#36

I actually won a few games thanks to reapers.
(Im not talking about mass reapers, im talking about 1-2-3 reapers)

I recently hat a TvT where the opponent tank pushed (scoutet - saw i had no starport and went fast siege) I went Bio.

As i saw him moving out I put the marauders I had outside of my base and sent 1 reaper I had built out of a hunch towards his base. I timed my flank with the reaper reaching his base. So his 2nd reinforcement tank and more units were on the way to his front line.

I barely killed the push but meanwhile I could pick off like 2-3 SCVs for free. (he was microing his push/reinforcements). I then switched to the reaper getting 2 more kills and he gged.

For a unit that costs 50/50 plus is in your tech anyways if you go Bio its a quite useful unit IMO.
Nobody says you have to mass them..

/edit: I use to queue the reaper with shift (move move and then attack at the right spot) then watch it on the minimap and time the attack to cause the most stress for the opponent. Works wonders - works even with drops into the mineral lines. Its a good way to multitask when you really gotta have all your attention on one spot (because it might be game-deciding)

snace

QueueQueue

Canada1000 Posts

April 29 2010 23:06 GMT

#37

On April 30 2010 07:49 lubu42 wrote:
he didn't even start mining until about 10 seconds into the game

I don't think using a game that has that in the description should really be used to emphasize the power of reapers.

Spidermonkey

United States251 Posts

April 29 2010 23:06 GMT

#38

The problem with any Reaper buff is it makes an already controversial early game rush more powerful. Early Reapers are hard to deal with, especially for Toss. I'm not willing to say they are in need of some buff yet but I would keep them on my "watch" list.

If the only use for a Reaper is 2-4 early game harassment I think the unit needs to be redone, but I don't think we can safely say that is the only use yet.