On April 07 2010 23:57 [ADT]-FaZiNaTe-[GeR] wrote:
Another great idea..... regeneration back to Patch 4 or 5.

And instead of 145 health 110 or so.... would be much much better.

Since much roaches ownz every unit in late game... 3-3 upgrades

and 1 supply is a bit wierd.. i guess oO

And i cannot understand the Immortal whiners.... own problem to play only roaches vs mass immortals oO and look at the prize.

Immortals 250/100 and 4 supply

Roaches 75/25 and 1 supply

= 4 roaches 300/100 and 4 supply

i think 4 beat the 1 immortal

if not the immortal is just a good counter for them... and zergs need other units oO

+1. I always see zergs go pure roach vs a mixed toss army with like 5-6 immortals in it then scream omg immortal op this is imba when they lose >.>
hopefully this patch will do some good for all the mu's

IaniAniaN

Canada555 Posts

April 07 2010 21:33 GMT

#544

I hope the roach nerf makes Z play more diverse, so that they can actually see what's missing. Zerg don't really need more units so much as they need more unique units. In BW realistically you had lings, mutas, lurkers and (sometimes) hydras as the backbones of your army. The good thing about all of those units is that the very way they attack and are used is completely different. In SC2 hydras and roaches act exactly the same, large oversight.

Musoeun

United States4324 Posts

April 07 2010 21:43 GMT

#545

On April 08 2010 01:46 lolaloc wrote:

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I haven't seen zerg use the scouting capabilities of roach yet. Basically, you have to research tunneling claws first. A burrowed roach in key places can be like an observer because it can still move around.

Of course not: currently, it's built for attack. Potentially losing a roach scouting when it's a valuable attacking unit as well is kind of silly.

suejak

Japan545 Posts

April 07 2010 21:58 GMT

#546

On April 08 2010 06:05 Zelniq wrote:
us server just went down
thanks blizz for not giving much warning and ruining a nice game yet again

LOL, what a douchebag.

Smurfz

United States327 Posts

April 07 2010 22:21 GMT

#547

Alright, just brainstorming here, but I have a rough idea. It might be too big of a change to present to the game, but I guess I'll present it nonetheless.

Roaches need to be damage sponges. They also need a reason to attack them before other units. The problem is, if you fulfill that reason by giving them a lot of ground DPS, they become very powerful ground units, and require specific units like the Immortal and Marauder to beat.

Basically, Roach needs a mechanic that supports the rest of the zerg army instead of a mechanic that only helps itself..

-Remove Organic Carapace and the current passive Roach ability.
-Nerf Roach attack to whatever extent is balanced
-Add a T2 upgrade called "Nutricide Sacs" (or something...)
-Basically, whenever an enemy BIOLOGICAL unit dies that the Roach has recently attacked or has killed, it bursts open and spills a small patch of green "Nutrient Creep" on the ground that lasts for 8 seconds in the location of the dying biological unit.
-Nutrient Creep heals all zerg units (friendly or enemy) on it, and gives the 30% speed bonus.
-Maybe EMP could disable the effects of Nutrient Creep if casted on it.

Why it might work well for the Roach
-It's an ability that promotes combining Roaches with Zerglings, and Ultralisks. Roaches would still serve as units to put in front of Hydralisks as well to meatshield them.
-It would make Roach ambushes powerful with Burrow+Move. Unburrow on a MM ball and pop a few different marines, and you gain the instant advantage.
-Creates interesting fast-paced small-scale territorial play.
-Roach already sprays green "creepish" stuff.
-Unique and fun.

suejak

Japan545 Posts

April 08 2010 00:32 GMT

#548

I think roaches' "special mechanic" should just be to make focusing other units hard to do -- i.e., cool micro swarming that is hard to get around.

They should be a sort of wall in front of your hydras, etc, I think.

verrater

United States11 Posts

April 08 2010 21:15 GMT

#549

I think they should increase roach mineral cost to something like 125 (or whatever) and supply to 2, give them back good regen above ground and lower damage or attack speed or just change them to a void ray type of ramp up attack.

makes them more unique and won't be as effective in big masses.

Immortals should do less basic damage or his bonus damage shouldn't work against buildings.

Karma_

Canada40 Posts

April 08 2010 23:52 GMT

#550

Great thread. Imo roach needs to just be weaker in HP. This will make it way more micro dependent, hittable by psi storm and hence less boring all around. Something like 75 hp. Then just adjust Immortals/rauders accordingly.

What made SC1 great was that picking a "counter" unit gave you a 10% advantage, not a 200% advantage. I've had equal resource/supply armies face each other in SC2 and if I picked the right units, I will come out of the fight losing 0 and he will lose his entire army. Game was a complete blowout when it should have been a fun great game. This seems to be 85% of my games sadly.

Another thing that would help the hard counters a lot would be making it easier to scout past the 3 minute mark without devoting so many resources. I find between 3-10 minutes I'm pretty blind, game turns into coin toss of who built the right units

gogogadgetflow

United States2583 Posts

April 09 2010 00:10 GMT

#551

On April 08 2010 06:05 Zelniq wrote:
us server just went down
thanks blizz for not giving much warning and ruining a nice game yet again

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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