I just wanted to make sure, am I the only one here to really not want to research all of these research? I just find that the ressource put into these research could and should be used to make other things or more useful research.

Minerals and Gas (especially) are very precious so I never, ever research any of these whatever race I am.

What say you?

dacthehork

United States2000 Posts

March 09 2010 07:22 GMT

yeah it's hard to really focus on upgrades since you HAVE to go certain units to counter.

investing all that money to upgrade a diverse unit selection just doesnt pan out.

In sc1 it makes sense, since you can mass units that share upgrades, in SC2 you HAVE to spread out your units in what types you use.

KiWiKaKi

Canada691 Posts

March 09 2010 07:23 GMT

its good with high templar

tirentu

Canada1257 Posts

March 09 2010 07:24 GMT

Get them for HT.

SarcasticOne

Australia213 Posts

March 09 2010 07:26 GMT

doesnt it mean a HT can cast storm straight out the gateway/warp gate?

Kantutan

Canada1319 Posts

March 09 2010 07:32 GMT

yeah, HT starts with 50, storm is 75, with the upgrade it will start with 100

Kantutan

Canada1319 Posts

March 09 2010 07:32 GMT

or was it +25 energy.. don't remember

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

March 09 2010 07:34 GMT

I know that this is basically the same thing as the increase energy max to 250 in scbw, but why did they take off the cap and just give the boost to starting mana now? (which is +25 starting)

The upgrade seems so much crappier now.

BoT, definitely useful for fungal spore casting infestors.

MadLag

Poland82 Posts

March 09 2010 07:37 GMT

its way to expensive in early stage ; / while later u can usually just mass spam casters so no need for it ; / (mb for HT if u need storm right out) this update would be much better if it increased energy pool

SoleSteeler

Canada5420 Posts

March 09 2010 07:39 GMT

#10

I think the average lifespan of a caster doesn't usually hit 200 energy anyway, so the +25 starting is probably more useful than going up to 250 energy. I would mind the upgrade being +25 starting AND +50 max though.

Dark.Carnival

United States5095 Posts

March 09 2010 07:55 GMT

#11

it's kinda nice for terran, getting it for ghosts in tvp means they can start with an emp. 75 energy on a medivac is nice, and there's less time waiting for 100-125 energy on ravens. that said i'd only spend the money to get it on ghosts in the mid game, but definitely not spend 100gas on it early on. i assume the same thing for HT, it's nice but not worth spending 100gas on til somewhere in the mid-game

Mikilatov

United States3897 Posts

March 09 2010 08:05 GMT

#12

Yeah I think they're great upgrades, just not really worth it considering most of these casters aren't produced in masses. They just need to decrease the cost of them, in my opinion.

CagedMind

United States506 Posts

March 09 2010 10:16 GMT

#13

You seem to have to spread out tech a lot when playing at least as a toss player. You can find yourself 2nd guessing buying some things.

StarsPride

United States364 Posts

March 09 2010 10:18 GMT

#14

there great for ht's. Morph in free storm.. makes pushing toss expos so hard without tanks..
But i think ravens need a buff and should come in with 100 energy.. or hunter seeker missles take less energy.. either one

MorroW

Sweden3522 Posts

March 09 2010 10:27 GMT

#15

i liked it better with sc1. where they got +50 total and spawn with about +16, alot more cost-worthy

now it feels kinda useless cause it takes 2~ minutes to upgrade and doesnt give alot

geno

United States1404 Posts

March 09 2010 10:29 GMT

#16

Amazing for HTs yeah. If you get it + storm and a phase prism, you can basically do storm drops in the form of storm warp-ins. You basically never have to wait for energy or refill the prism with HTs. You can just storm drop whenever you can build a HT. Or you can do the same thing with a pylon on a lot of different maps. It really makes me want to work more HT play into my game just to make use of this.

lololol

5198 Posts

March 09 2010 10:47 GMT

#17

The BW upgrades give +12.5 starting energy and 50 max, in SC2 it's 25 starting energy and it's better in general, since you're able to cast your main spell faster, while the max upgrade is only useful if you're not casting spells for a long period of time.
The main problem with upgrades in SC2 is that you need a more diverse army, making upgrade cost to benefit ratio lower. This applies especially to the damage/armor upgrades, since they are expensive, but you need them to be effective, so they restrict army diversity in a way.

MidKnight

Lithuania884 Posts

March 09 2010 12:06 GMT

#18

Those upgrade rock!
I mean, you can insta cast a storm or EMP with your newly built HTs or Ghosts.
Way more useful than BW upgrade for +12.5 mana and 50 max.

Most of the time you won't have unit around to gather that much energy anyway

FeeL_ThE_RusH

Ireland227 Posts

March 09 2010 15:26 GMT

#19

good upgrades but i'd like to see them reduced to 100/100 and maybe reduced in research time, it's hard to spend that 150 gas on it

Unentschieden

Germany1471 Posts

March 09 2010 16:25 GMT

#20

This Blog goes into detail on exactly this issue:
http://sc2betaevolution.blogspot.com/

TL:DR The new Upgrade benefit the ACTUAL use of Casters in games much better than the old one.

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