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On February 18 2010 17:16 stumpster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 17:13 NeoLearner wrote:
Hydra's back to lair tech? I thought they were forced to put it back to tier 1.5 because zerg was vulnerable for early air?
Any beta input on this? How do zerg fair against an early air raid? There was a stream earlier (I believe that it was Psyonic_Reaver) where he went very Phoenix heavy, and without Scourge or early Hydralisks the Zerg had no chance...and the Z did seem at least knowledgeable.
That's what I thought. The only early anti-air Zerg has now, is the queen. Which can be neutralized easily by 2 phoenix.
Guess I have to start thinking up the counter to this and scout early 
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On February 18 2010 12:03 EsX_Raptor wrote:
And it is because of these threads that 10 years from now people will look at a super old 2010 post and say OMG LOOK HOW THE BETA WAS!!!
So true people should go back to SC1 beta before starting the flame war
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I do actually believe that they may have removed lurkers because we all know how hard it is for newbs to beat lurkers..
Just watch some low level ZvTs and see Terran get massacred by a-moving his M&Ms into 3 lurkers and losing the game...
I hope it's not final.How the fuck could they remove one of the most iconic zerg units just like that..
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On February 18 2010 21:32 MidKnight wrote:
I do actually believe that they may have removed lurkers because we all know how hard it is for newbs to beat lurkers..
Just watch some low level ZvTs and see Terran get massacred by a-moving his M&Ms into 3 lurkers and losing the game...
I hope it's not final.How the fuck could they remove one of the most iconic zerg units just like that..
If it's not in the final version of Wings, they will probably try to put it in Fury...
I remember some interview where Blizzard talked about that exact problem, Iconic Zerg Units. Pretty much all their units are iconic...
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You'll likely see lurkers make an appearance in the single player campaign, the way they've been hinting that there will be lots of single player exclusive units.
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On February 18 2010 11:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Lurkers are not in sc2. I guess they figured that dodging spines with marines was unfair to lesser skilled players so they removed it as a whole.
they should remove siege tanks and high templars aswell then.
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One of the most recent blizzard tweets mentioned that lurkers and archons were being underutilised and that they are working to solve the problem. My guess is the simply disabled the lurker till they are happy with the changes they are making to it before allowing people to get use to the way it works.
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On February 18 2010 23:17 DeCoup wrote:
One of the most recent blizzard tweets mentioned that lurkers and archons were being underutilised and that they are working to solve the problem. My guess is the simply disabled the lurker till they are happy with the changes they are making to it before allowing people to get use to the way it works.
Could be. Although I think I saw an archon in a game yesterday.
I guess they just want to be able to add and change units without people abusing them. Perhaps Lurkers were doing damage too quickly?
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On February 18 2010 17:24 Drowsy wrote:
About how quickly can you get tier 2 units compared to sc1? Does fast expanding seem to be a viable strategy anymore?
I am not updated since Novembers Dreamhack version of the game, but from that I can tell you that Spawn Larvae from queen gave enough to be more worth to either econ drones or offensive lings than a second hatchery early game. You will still have good minerals with the queen. Not sure about the air info though (the phoenix did so little damage I thought it was useless), can't remember zerg using lurker there either. About the hydra thing, it does sound like it makes protoss/terran air a lot more viable than it should be.
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why have they removed medic for marines ??????
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On February 18 2010 23:44 Risepile wrote:
why have they removed medic for marines ??????
Because combining it with the dropship is kickass.
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I really wish they didn't remove d8 charges.. reapers just lost a lot of usefulness right there..
Also, chrono boost sounds pretty imba.
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Calm down, it is just a beta. Lurker will be back !
However, I am very upset because : I WANT SCOURGE BACK !!!
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Lurkers was the whole beuty of zerg omg...
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On February 18 2010 17:37 NeoLearner wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 17:16 stumpster wrote:On February 18 2010 17:13 NeoLearner wrote:
Hydra's back to lair tech? I thought they were forced to put it back to tier 1.5 because zerg was vulnerable for early air?
Any beta input on this? How do zerg fair against an early air raid? There was a stream earlier (I believe that it was Psyonic_Reaver) where he went very Phoenix heavy, and without Scourge or early Hydralisks the Zerg had no chance...and the Z did seem at least knowledgeable. That's what I thought. The only early anti-air Zerg has now, is the queen. Which can be neutralized easily by 2 phoenix. Guess I have to start thinking up the counter to this and scout early
A queen costs just 100 minerals and is better at shooting air than old hydras, have twice the health and can heal each other. If you want to defend against air why don't you build more than one queen? It is not like it takes larvae either.
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