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quinnydinny
Profile Joined February 2010
United States38 Posts
February 18 2010 02:20 GMT
#1
Tech Trees:
Zerg
Protoss
Terran
Jazriel
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada404 Posts
February 18 2010 02:29 GMT
#2
So what, Lurker's just aren't in the game anymore? Or does the tech tree only show what units are unlocked by building a structure?
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inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
February 18 2010 02:30 GMT
#3
Yeah lurkers weren't there it was weird.
Wire
Profile Joined July 2009
United States494 Posts
February 18 2010 02:56 GMT
#4
also apparently battlecruisers lost all their coolness and is back to yamato.

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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
February 18 2010 02:57 GMT
#5
Lurkers are not in sc2. I guess they figured that dodging spines with marines was unfair to lesser skilled players so they removed it as a whole.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
February 18 2010 02:59 GMT
#6
wtf they take out 2 zerg units and give nothing in return (lurker and infested terrans). I sure hope lurkers are gonna be at least in retail!
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
February 18 2010 02:59 GMT
#7
Ahh thank you very much OP.

I'm hoping we can put together a little compendium of all the units, costs, build times, types, upgrades, etc if there isn't already one... and we can keep it up to date after patches.
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diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
February 18 2010 03:01 GMT
#8
On February 18 2010 11:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Lurkers are not in sc2. I guess they figured that dodging spines with marines was unfair to lesser skilled players so they removed it as a whole.

yeah lets remove the most technical unit of zerg (save defilers maybe) so all we have left over is easy a-move Units!
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
February 18 2010 03:02 GMT
#9
Btw, I looked through the unit lists in all the other sc2 sites and they are horribly outdated. Just pointing it out in case some of you were planning on using those to form strategies.
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
February 18 2010 03:03 GMT
#10
And it is because of these threads that 10 years from now people will look at a super old 2010 post and say OMG LOOK HOW THE BETA WAS!!!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 18 2010 03:03 GMT
#11
On February 18 2010 12:01 damenmofa wrote:
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On February 18 2010 11:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Lurkers are not in sc2. I guess they figured that dodging spines with marines was unfair to lesser skilled players so they removed it as a whole.

yeah lets remove the most technical unit of zerg (save defilers maybe) so all we have left over is easy a-move Units!

More likely, they had a hard time deciding which tier to place them at, so they decided to take them out, see how balance plays out without them, and insert them appropriately to fill the gap.
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Entertaining
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada793 Posts
February 18 2010 03:12 GMT
#12
zerg is definetly missing something. all its units are just A-move till lategame.
NeoValkyrion
Profile Joined July 2009
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 03:18:22
February 18 2010 03:17 GMT
#13
One interesting thing I've noticed about Zerg is that the Infestor no longer has the ability to create infested Terrans. Now, whatever organic unit it targets with neural parasite will be infested and mind controlled for 10 seconds. Tried this on a Marine and Marauder, going to try it on Protoss next.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
February 18 2010 03:35 GMT
#14
I am really glad they went back to old protoss tech tree. I didnt like how for awhile they had made protoss into 3 tiers with the stargate unlocking the third tier.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 18 2010 04:54 GMT
#15
Maybe they're gonna replace lurkers in the game in a shiny new form in the expansions or something. That sounds like something blizzard would do. Just to make sure we buy them x]
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
February 18 2010 05:38 GMT
#16
I uploaded a quick vid of it all incliding units etc in game, it's not highly detailed as i can't go cheat and just mind control one of every race and build one of everything to show you the + armor and dmg from upgrades but i'll consider doing that later on


The video is still processing but it should churn out a HD vid sooner or later
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
February 18 2010 08:13 GMT
#17
On February 18 2010 11:20 quinnydinny wrote:
Tech Trees:
Zerg
Protoss
Terran


Hydra's back to lair tech? I thought they were forced to put it back to tier 1.5 because zerg was vulnerable for early air?

Any beta input on this? How do zerg fair against an early air raid?
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
stumpster
Profile Joined September 2009
United States67 Posts
February 18 2010 08:16 GMT
#18
On February 18 2010 17:13 NeoLearner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2010 11:20 quinnydinny wrote:
Tech Trees:
Zerg
Protoss
Terran


Hydra's back to lair tech? I thought they were forced to put it back to tier 1.5 because zerg was vulnerable for early air?

Any beta input on this? How do zerg fair against an early air raid?


There was a stream earlier (I believe that it was Psyonic_Reaver) where he went very Phoenix heavy, and without Scourge or early Hydralisks the Zerg had no chance...and the Z did seem at least knowledgeable.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
February 18 2010 08:24 GMT
#19
About how quickly can you get tier 2 units compared to sc1? Does fast expanding seem to be a viable strategy anymore?
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
February 18 2010 08:29 GMT
#20
Has anyone played ffa mode? What's it like?
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
February 18 2010 08:37 GMT
#21
On February 18 2010 17:16 stumpster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2010 17:13 NeoLearner wrote:


Hydra's back to lair tech? I thought they were forced to put it back to tier 1.5 because zerg was vulnerable for early air?

Any beta input on this? How do zerg fair against an early air raid?


There was a stream earlier (I believe that it was Psyonic_Reaver) where he went very Phoenix heavy, and without Scourge or early Hydralisks the Zerg had no chance...and the Z did seem at least knowledgeable.


That's what I thought. The only early anti-air Zerg has now, is the queen. Which can be neutralized easily by 2 phoenix.

Guess I have to start thinking up the counter to this and scout early
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
February 18 2010 08:43 GMT
#22
On February 18 2010 12:03 EsX_Raptor wrote:
And it is because of these threads that 10 years from now people will look at a super old 2010 post and say OMG LOOK HOW THE BETA WAS!!!


So true people should go back to SC1 beta before starting the flame war
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MidKnight
Profile Joined December 2008
Lithuania884 Posts
February 18 2010 12:32 GMT
#23
I do actually believe that they may have removed lurkers because we all know how hard it is for newbs to beat lurkers..

Just watch some low level ZvTs and see Terran get massacred by a-moving his M&Ms into 3 lurkers and losing the game...


I hope it's not final.How the fuck could they remove one of the most iconic zerg units just like that..
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
February 18 2010 12:41 GMT
#24
On February 18 2010 21:32 MidKnight wrote:
I do actually believe that they may have removed lurkers because we all know how hard it is for newbs to beat lurkers..

Just watch some low level ZvTs and see Terran get massacred by a-moving his M&Ms into 3 lurkers and losing the game...


I hope it's not final.How the fuck could they remove one of the most iconic zerg units just like that..


If it's not in the final version of Wings, they will probably try to put it in Fury...

I remember some interview where Blizzard talked about that exact problem, Iconic Zerg Units. Pretty much all their units are iconic...
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
February 18 2010 12:42 GMT
#25
You'll likely see lurkers make an appearance in the single player campaign, the way they've been hinting that there will be lots of single player exclusive units.
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ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
February 18 2010 12:55 GMT
#26
On February 18 2010 11:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Lurkers are not in sc2. I guess they figured that dodging spines with marines was unfair to lesser skilled players so they removed it as a whole.

they should remove siege tanks and high templars aswell then.
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DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
February 18 2010 14:17 GMT
#27
One of the most recent blizzard tweets mentioned that lurkers and archons were being underutilised and that they are working to solve the problem. My guess is the simply disabled the lurker till they are happy with the changes they are making to it before allowing people to get use to the way it works.
"Poor guy. I really did not deserve that win. So this is what it's like to play Protoss..." - IdrA
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
February 18 2010 14:29 GMT
#28
On February 18 2010 23:17 DeCoup wrote:
One of the most recent blizzard tweets mentioned that lurkers and archons were being underutilised and that they are working to solve the problem. My guess is the simply disabled the lurker till they are happy with the changes they are making to it before allowing people to get use to the way it works.


Could be. Although I think I saw an archon in a game yesterday.

I guess they just want to be able to add and change units without people abusing them. Perhaps Lurkers were doing damage too quickly?
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Simsar
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden27 Posts
February 18 2010 14:38 GMT
#29
On February 18 2010 17:24 Drowsy wrote:
About how quickly can you get tier 2 units compared to sc1? Does fast expanding seem to be a viable strategy anymore?

I am not updated since Novembers Dreamhack version of the game, but from that I can tell you that Spawn Larvae from queen gave enough to be more worth to either econ drones or offensive lings than a second hatchery early game. You will still have good minerals with the queen. Not sure about the air info though (the phoenix did so little damage I thought it was useless), can't remember zerg using lurker there either. About the hydra thing, it does sound like it makes protoss/terran air a lot more viable than it should be.
Risepile
Profile Joined February 2010
China12 Posts
February 18 2010 14:44 GMT
#30
why have they removed medic for marines ??????
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ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
February 18 2010 14:45 GMT
#31
On February 18 2010 23:44 Risepile wrote:
why have they removed medic for marines ??????

Because combining it with the dropship is kickass.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 18 2010 14:51 GMT
#32
I really wish they didn't remove d8 charges.. reapers just lost a lot of usefulness right there..

Also, chrono boost sounds pretty imba.
:)
Orzabal
Profile Joined December 2009
France287 Posts
February 18 2010 16:58 GMT
#33
Calm down, it is just a beta. Lurker will be back !

However, I am very upset because : I WANT SCOURGE BACK !!!

Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
February 18 2010 17:36 GMT
#34
Lurkers was the whole beuty of zerg omg...
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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
February 18 2010 18:11 GMT
#35
On February 18 2010 17:37 NeoLearner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2010 17:16 stumpster wrote:
On February 18 2010 17:13 NeoLearner wrote:


Hydra's back to lair tech? I thought they were forced to put it back to tier 1.5 because zerg was vulnerable for early air?

Any beta input on this? How do zerg fair against an early air raid?


There was a stream earlier (I believe that it was Psyonic_Reaver) where he went very Phoenix heavy, and without Scourge or early Hydralisks the Zerg had no chance...and the Z did seem at least knowledgeable.


That's what I thought. The only early anti-air Zerg has now, is the queen. Which can be neutralized easily by 2 phoenix.

Guess I have to start thinking up the counter to this and scout early

A queen costs just 100 minerals and is better at shooting air than old hydras, have twice the health and can heal each other. If you want to defend against air why don't you build more than one queen? It is not like it takes larvae either.
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