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On May 12 2011 00:44 Deadlift. wrote:
Couldn't another answer to the riddle be to point to a card and ask "If this card was a jack and I asked you if it was an ace, would you say yes?" If the card I pointed to was an ace you would say "maybe" and if it was a jack you would randomly say "yes" or "no."
Take THAT Day 9!
If the card is a jack and he says yes, you flip over the right card and it's still an ace. The riddle was weird and doesn't address the complexity of starcraft builds and early game knowledge, but it does work exactly as Sean described it.
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On May 12 2011 00:47 Drascus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 00:44 Deadlift. wrote:
Couldn't another answer to the riddle be to point to a card and ask "If this card was a jack and I asked you if it was an ace, would you say yes?" If the card I pointed to was an ace you would say "maybe" and if it was a jack you would randomly say "yes" or "no."
Take THAT Day 9! If the card is a jack and he says yes, you flip over the right card and it's still an ace. The riddle was weird and doesn't address the complexity of starcraft builds and early game knowledge, but it does work exactly as Sean described it.
I didn't say the riddle doesn't work, I just said there is another way to solve it. If you ask the question above and he says "maybe" you pick the middle card and get an ace, if he says "yes" or "no" you know the middle card is a jack so you pick either of the other two cards.
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How can he answer a yes/no question with maybe.
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On May 12 2011 01:03 Suptzs wrote:
How can he answer a yes/no question with maybe.
Throw in "he stands there and doesn't answer" to the Ace pile then.
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I always thought that questions that can't be answered by yes/no are always banned in this kind of riddles.
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dear day[9].
WHEN ARE YOU DOING A REAL PROTOSS DAILY AGAIN? feels like the daily is becoming a zerg show with some terrans that either get 90% winrate or are there to loose to the zerg. except for socke vs happy, the last protoss-daily was like #279, with hasuobs vs tlo and there are some other nice games including one toss some dailys before 279 too, but it is still like 20 dailys, or something depending how you count. just feel like I haven't learnt anything useful. got to masters thx to you but there's still grandmasters.
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On May 12 2011 01:41 rexob wrote:
dear day[9].
WHEN ARE YOU DOING A REAL PROTOSS DAILY AGAIN? feels like the daily is becoming a zerg show with some terrans that either get 90% winrate or are there to loose to the zerg. except for socke vs happy, the last protoss-daily was like #279, with hasuobs vs tlo and there are some other nice games including one toss some dailys before 279 too, but it is still like 20 dailys, or something depending how you count. just feel like I haven't learnt anything useful. got to masters thx to you but there's still grandmasters.
Idra convinced day9 that protoss is overpowered so day9 is trying to even it up by not helping toss players :D:D.
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Hey, Day[9]
I sent you a PM about a week ago and I don't know if you've read it but I really hope you have and I want you to know how much you've helped me get through this rough spot in my life.
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On May 12 2011 02:44 Sir Cleve wrote:
Hey, Day[9]
I sent you a PM about a week ago and I don't know if you've read it but I really hope you have and I want you to know how much you've helped me get through this rough spot in my life.
Doubt it, his PM box is probably super-filled.
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On May 12 2011 02:47 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 02:44 Sir Cleve wrote:
Hey, Day[9]
I sent you a PM about a week ago and I don't know if you've read it but I really hope you have and I want you to know how much you've helped me get through this rough spot in my life. Doubt it, his PM box is probably super-filled.
Yeah, I figured that's probably how it is.
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Will he ever do that #200/#300 special  ?
Would be cool if he does a day of his life in Korea special or something?
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On May 12 2011 00:47 Drascus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 00:44 Deadlift. wrote:
Couldn't another answer to the riddle be to point to a card and ask "If this card was a jack and I asked you if it was an ace, would you say yes?" If the card I pointed to was an ace you would say "maybe" and if it was a jack you would randomly say "yes" or "no."
Take THAT Day 9! If the card is a jack and he says yes, you flip over the right card and it's still an ace. The riddle was weird and doesn't address the complexity of starcraft builds and early game knowledge, but it does work exactly as Sean described it.
Sean is saying that you don't necessarily need complete knowledge to cover your bases or defend. In the example, you can win the game without knowing where the jack is. All you need is where the jack isn't.
Of course, the question that IdrA and Sean disagreed about was the ability to do this. If the zerg sees a 2rax no gas, that's simply not enough information to make any correct calls (all-in, pressure, or expand?). So you need more information than that. If you see a tech build, then finding a build that will defend against Marauder/Hellion all-in, Thor/Ghost rush, and Fast Medivac/Marine is difficult if not impossible. And I didn't even include Banshees.
The question is the potency of the build, scout timing, and how quickly one can react.
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I just watched the Daily #292 (2v2) on YT and wanted to share this hilarious video artifact with you. Hope you get a laugh out of it
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Anyone know what the song is on the stream atm? The preshow for daily #304
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I can't watch the daily today, does anyone know what its about?
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On SOTG, Idra specifically talked about the difficulties a zerg deals with when a terran opponent walls off, remains on one base during the early game and denies scouting by keeping marines on the perimeter of their base to quickly shoot down overlords before the overlord can see what the terran is up to.
Idra then outlined two general strategies the opponent could go for: they could do a 'standard build' which probably involves constructing a command center inside their base and eventually flying it out to take an expansion, in the hopes of beating the zerg in a long game, or they could do some sort of cheesy all-in intended to overwhelm the zerg early. As Idra described it, a zerg in this scenario can only guess at the strategy the opponent will go for and must blindly prepare their own strategy.
If the zerg prepares for an opponent by anticipating that the terran will play standard, and the terran is actually doing a cheesy all-in, the cheesy all-in will overwhelm the zerg before they can produce the necessary defenses to withstand such an assault, so they lose immediately. If the zerg blindly prepares an appropriate response for a cheesy all-in and the opponent is actually playing standard, the zerg's economy will be significantly behind, since they built fighting units rather than drones, and being in that position of disadvantage probably guarantees a loss.
This situation, as Idra described it, is like flipping a coin for the zerg. If the zerg guesses right, they have a fair (fair meaning balanced) chance to win against the terran's strategy. If the zerg guesses wrong, they will have placed themselves at a tremendous disadvantage and will not have a fair chance of winning against their opponent's strategy. Idra expressed that he did not like the role that chance and luck played in this specific scenario and complained it was imbalanced and poor design on Blizzard's part.
On SOTG, Day[9] didn't say that Idra was wrong or right. He expressed that he didn't like those sorts of discussions about balance vs. imbalance (saying he usually trolls that sort of discussion) and further, that he lacked the necessary experience playing zerg against terran in SC2 to be able to give an informed response about the very specific situation Idra described, and which I have outlined above.
Speaking only for myself, I would personally /really/ like to hear Day[9]'s thoughts on the role of chance and luck in SC2, and whether he thinks guessing should play a part in the outcome of games at the pro level. Idra discussed this as a problem from the perspective of a zerg player in a very specific scenario unique to zerg, with a significant bias for his race, but chance, luck and guessing can be deciding factors in a game of Starcraft 2 for any race.
As we've watched this particular point/incident get discussed, and discuss it ourselves, we as an audience of spectators should keep in mind that Idra and Day[9] are friends and colleagues. They're both very smart guys and incredibly proficient players of RTS games who talk about and sometimes disagree with one another about SC2 on a level of understanding most of us will never have. Their respective fanbases, combined with Day[9]'s playful and often teasing sense of humor and Idra's incredibly blunt and often disparaging manner has made some people eager for some sort of dramatic conflict between the two of them. I really noticed that when I was watching the chat on justin tv while Day[9] was doing his latest daily (#303, May 10th). Idra fans were slamming Sean and arguing with Day[9] fans, who were slamming Greg and arguing back. We should all keep in mind that these two guys have great respect for one another and stop trying to inflame conflict and drama between them that simply doesn't exist.
TLDR:
Day[9] and Idra are both awesome. If you think one of them is right and one of them is wrong, you're being an idiot. Instead of bickering over who's the smarter strategist or superior player, focus on getting all the knowledge you can from both of them and learn to be a better gamer!
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On May 12 2011 11:06 Asherak wrote:
Anyone know what the song is on the stream atm? The preshow for daily #304
I'd love an answer to this question as well!
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Ballin' it up
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On May 12 2011 11:09 ExquisiteRed wrote:
I can't watch the daily today, does anyone know what its about?
Morrow's ZvP. For future reference, you can see the description of what the daily's going to be on TL's event calendar.
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