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There are a few improvements that could be made to make watching replays of an event almost as good as watching it live. It's too easy, without some standards and various behaviours by replay sites, to spoil the outcome so I'd suggest some features that keep viewing games more exciting.
The option to hide replay duration. Knowing the game ends in one minute tells you a lot.
Replays are always saved with player names in alphabetical order. All sites should follow this naming convention. Too often the first name is the winner.
Replays can be joined together into one file for a whole multi-map series that plays continuously and is downloaded once, other wise knowing the number of games to get a win (Bo3, Bo5) and the number of replays you've downloaded will spoil the last game as you know the outcome.
Hopefully you can understand how these changes would improve following a scene by replays which will be a bigger part of SC2 than they are of SC at present.
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Money/units/units that r being made/ it s just examples of things that i would like to see.
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There's a very big difference between watching replays to learn and watching replays for fun.
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to be quite honest all you need to watch a replay is;
fog of war
speed
viewpoint
resource count
nothing more. i know im for sure going to be "minimizing" all the extra unnecessary boxes displaying essentially useless information.
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Interestingly enough, there are a number of hidden replay commands that can show leaderboards for different things. Most of them are useless, but you can use it to easily see both player's resource counts at the same time.
The commands:
+ Show Spoiler + /replay show kills -- Shows the number of kills.
/replay show razings -- Shows the number of razings.
/replay show slaughter -- Shows the slaughter leaderboard.
/replay show resources -- Shows the resources.
/replay show minerals -- Shows the minerals.
/replay show gas -- Shows the gas.
/replay show score -- Shows the total score.
/replay show score units -- Shows the units score.
/replay show score buildings -- Shows the buildings score.
/replay show score kills -- Shows the kills score.
/replay show score razings -- Shows the razings score.
/replay show score user -- Shows the custom score.
/replay hide -- Hides the leaderboard.
I don't know how many people know about this, but Heinermann posted them over at SEN and I had no idea.
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On September 27 2009 20:23 Symmetry wrote:Interestingly enough, there are a number of hidden replay commands that can show leaderboards for different things. Most of them are useless, but you can use it to easily see both player's resource counts at the same time. The commands: + Show Spoiler + /replay show kills -- Shows the number of kills.
/replay show razings -- Shows the number of razings.
/replay show slaughter -- Shows the slaughter leaderboard.
/replay show resources -- Shows the resources.
/replay show minerals -- Shows the minerals.
/replay show gas -- Shows the gas.
/replay show score -- Shows the total score.
/replay show score units -- Shows the units score.
/replay show score buildings -- Shows the buildings score.
/replay show score kills -- Shows the kills score.
/replay show score razings -- Shows the razings score.
/replay show score user -- Shows the custom score.
/replay hide -- Hides the leaderboard. I don't know how many people know about this, but Heinermann posted them over at SEN and I had no idea.
Wait -- this is in SC:BW ?
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oh my GOD yes it is in SC:BW. thankyou for posting that symmetry!
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OMG...how did I not know about this? Epic.
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Sweden33719 Posts
WTF, they sure hid those commands well LOL
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OMG Symmetry you rule!
Is there any chance this can go to Liquipedia? 
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wow I never knew about those commands either
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Finland1714 Posts
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Omfg hahaha. You learn something new everyday. Thanks~
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wow lol. nice commands. how come no one's ever mentioned this before? o.o
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wow. i wonder if professionals knew about this?
thanks for the post. are these all of the commands? or are there more?
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As far as I know that's all of them. You can check out the source here.
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Wow...I never knew those commands:/
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you could just watch reps in chaoslauncer....
epic commands post though! sheeeeeexy
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I want my replays online, with friends....come on now blizzard, YOU CAN DO IT....-_-
Thx for the replay command list
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You gotta be kidding me. Let's take a poll:
Poll: Did you know about replay commands before Symmetry's post?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
If you answer yes, you're a bastard for keeping it to yourself.
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8751 Posts
Wow I can't believe those commands exist. But I think show resources is the only useful one and only because it's slightly more convenient than clicking.
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How the fuck did we not know about this?
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holy shit that is awesome i never knew about those replay commands! It seems to get stuck sometimes though (IE the resource one will stop counting and you can tell its inaccurate because you see it's different when you click on the respective player's units). I wish there was a food count one.
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Calgary26003 Posts
WHAT THE FUCK? Why didn't anyone say anything about those commands?
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makes me wonder what else is buried deep in BW that we still have yet to discover...
this is a Nice find indeed after 10+ years
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LOL. Move this to the BW forum. That is hilarious. Never ever knew that.
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Wow 40 no's and 1 yes. Symmetry must be the only person on earth who knew about this.
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WTF? I've been watching replays since they were added and never had an inkling this existed
Other crap I didn't know:
ALT+# Selects and moves the screen to the assigned unit group.
CTRL+C Centers the screen on the currently selected unit
ALT+C Centers the screen on the currently selected unit
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WOW how did no-one know this?
Vague sidenote: anyone know how to change whose hotkeys you use in a replay? I've never been able to figure it out 
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games been out for 12 years and its most dedicated players are just now figuring this out lol
as far as the hotkeys thing I think it only works for the player that was in slot 1.
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On September 28 2009 04:14 251 wrote:
games been out for 12 years and its most dedicated players are just now figuring this out lol
as far as the hotkeys thing I think it only works for the player that was in slot 1.
Thanks.
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On September 28 2009 01:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Wow I can't believe those commands exist. But I think show resources is the only useful one and only because it's slightly more convenient than clicking.
Unit score is extremely useful since it tells you how much resources each player got in their armies. Unit score = sum of minerals + gas cost of all units.
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I was browsing this topic a while ago randomly, noticed Symmetry's post, noticed how I didnt know about them, took a mental note to try them out sometime.
Then by now this thread has exploded looks like I was not the only one who didnt know about those:D
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haha this is insane, no one knew about this after all these years?
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8751 Posts
On September 28 2009 04:14 251 wrote:
games been out for 12 years and its most dedicated players are just now figuring this out lol
as far as the hotkeys thing I think it only works for the player that was in slot 1.
To be fair, the game has been out 11 years and replays have been out for 8 years. And since Blizzard never released documentation of these commands in patch notes, it's not even certain that the commands have existed for 8 years. I've never known a dedicated gamer to spend his time experimenting with line commands while watching replays (or while doing anything). That's for the dedicated tinkerers who have more productively spent their time designing tools that fill in the vast gaps left by Blizzard. Indeed, Observer Mode exceeded Blizzard's attempt at improving the observer's experience infinitely more than these replay commands.
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8751 Posts
On September 28 2009 04:52 Klockan3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2009 01:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Wow I can't believe those commands exist. But I think show resources is the only useful one and only because it's slightly more convenient than clicking. Unit score is extremely useful since it tells you how much resources each player got in their armies. Unit score = sum of minerals + gas cost of all units.
If that is the formula, then what do you mean by all units? All units produced or all units currently alive? All produced isn't very usefl. Even if it's currently alive, the inclusion of peons in the equation will make it inconvenient. Battles that occur without every unit being involved won't result in useful numbers and the production of new units while battles occur will also need to be taken into consideration. So in the end, it seems more convenient to simply remain aware of the units that went into a battle and came out by looking at them rather than attempting to find useful information in the change of that score.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On September 28 2009 04:14 251 wrote:
games been out for 12 years and its most dedicated players are just now figuring this out lol
as far as the hotkeys thing I think it only works for the player that was in slot 1.
If you are in slot 1, you get the player in slot 1's hotkeyss.
If you are in slot 2, you get the player in Slot 2's hotkeys...
And so on.
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On September 28 2009 05:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2009 04:52 Klockan3 wrote:On September 28 2009 01:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Wow I can't believe those commands exist. But I think show resources is the only useful one and only because it's slightly more convenient than clicking. Unit score is extremely useful since it tells you how much resources each player got in their armies. Unit score = sum of minerals + gas cost of all units. If that is the formula, then what do you mean by all units? All units produced or all units currently alive? All produced isn't very usefl. Even if it's currently alive, the inclusion of peons in the equation will make it inconvenient. Battles that occur without every unit being involved won't result in useful numbers and the production of new units while battles occur will also need to be taken into consideration. So in the end, it seems more convenient to simply remain aware of the units that went into a battle and came out by looking at them rather than attempting to find useful information in the change of that score.
It most likely is the same unit score that you can see at the end of a game / that you can access with triggers in UMS maps.
That means that it should display the resources spent for units up until now, including all lost units.
From watching a replay it looks like it is just like that.
There actually is a "units and buildings" score available in the map editor too, as well as a "kills and razings" count. Basically the 2 scores / counts added up. So it might be possible that there actually are 2 more commands, but they certainly are not the commands I tried ("units and buildings", "unitsandbuildings").
Now what you can use those scores for is the difference in resources harvested. You'd have to add up units and buildings score (if the command really doesn't exist), as well as the current resources if you want to be precise. It's nothing really important, but could be interesting in a few scenarios.
The kills counters might be nice if you are trying to keep track of the kills during harrassment (so you don't have to count the marines yourself, or maybe when there are multiple drops at once).
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Yo Blizzard, thanks for the info! haha, these are pretty cool.
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On September 28 2009 04:11 noddyz wrote:WOW how did no-one know this? Vague sidenote: anyone know how to change whose hotkeys you use in a replay? I've never been able to figure it out
I'm pretty sure you get a player's hotkeys according your player slot. If you are in slot 1 you will get the keys of the player who had slot 1 in the game. For example, on Desti there are only 2 slots and if you host a replay and a friend joins, you will usually fill the top two slots (the two the original players filled) and you have there keys. Occasionally you won't get any hotkeys no matter what... not sure why...
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Another option that would improve replays would be to toggle observer or player chat. I've seen a lot of replays where the observers are chatting away (sometimes in languages I can't understand) and it's very distracting to have a large portion of your screen covered in text.
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Wow.... I was once a serious map maker of sc, so I learned how to use all the bugs/glitches of sc to make maps with. I am now a competitive D+/C- iccup player so I learned all the melee bugs/glitches, but I never knew about those replay commands, heh.
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Wow. Thank you Symmetry! Now I won't have to click on each player's units back and forth to get a resource count.
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Amazing!
Haha, how strange for such commands to exist and never really be revealed to the public. The resource tool really makes things quite nice ^.^
Must show my sc buddies this.
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whoa, there you go. thanks mate
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Hungary11305 Posts
On September 28 2009 07:17 lac29 wrote:
liquipedia anyone?
Your wish has been granted.
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On September 28 2009 11:15 Alphonsse wrote:
Another option that would improve replays would be to toggle observer or player chat. I've seen a lot of replays where the observers are chatting away (sometimes in languages I can't understand) and it's very distracting to have a large portion of your screen covered in text.
or languages that can't be read by windows/starcraft because you have to change your computers settings and restart for each different asian language...very annoying...
oh and...why are the commands in spoiler tags? still trying to hide them?
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On September 27 2009 20:23 Symmetry wrote:Interestingly enough, there are a number of hidden replay commands that can show leaderboards for different things. Most of them are useless, but you can use it to easily see both player's resource counts at the same time. The commands: + Show Spoiler + /replay show kills -- Shows the number of kills.
/replay show razings -- Shows the number of razings.
/replay show slaughter -- Shows the slaughter leaderboard.
/replay show resources -- Shows the resources.
/replay show minerals -- Shows the minerals.
/replay show gas -- Shows the gas.
/replay show score -- Shows the total score.
/replay show score units -- Shows the units score.
/replay show score buildings -- Shows the buildings score.
/replay show score kills -- Shows the kills score.
/replay show score razings -- Shows the razings score.
/replay show score user -- Shows the custom score.
/replay hide -- Hides the leaderboard. I don't know how many people know about this, but Heinermann posted them over at SEN and I had no idea.
LOL WAT? Jesus Christ, first time I saw such commands T.T Thanks, lol
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yeah i was wondering why you can type in a replay in single player...
i guess i didn't wonder hard enough.
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Whoa, never knew about these!
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Many thanks, blizzard shouldn't have hidden them away so It's amazing how we were loving replays so much we didn't expect more functionality.
Somewhat telling though, blizz are making out that this stuff is new in sc2...i think even THEY didn't know it was in. Maybe some plucky coder snuck it in at the last minute.
Agree with the other choices in the thread however, nothing wrong with customisable replays. (specially to avoid spoilers)
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Not really a replay thing, but somewhat related. I want to not have to put the same bleeping map file in multiple locations in order to watch replays. Right now I have 4 (FOUR!) copies of (2)AncientIsles.w3x in my Warcraft 3 folder. 1 in Maps\, 1 in Maps\FrozenThrone\, and 2 in Maps\Download\ (yup, same file. Same md5sum and everything).
And while I'm dreaming, support for watching old version replays would be nice too. Like if the game logic was built as a library rather than into one monolithic executable.
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Vatican City State491 Posts
WTF my first thought was that it was an option added by the launcher, but then I realized that blizzard's policy has failed..
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On September 28 2009 10:53 Leg[end] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2009 04:11 noddyz wrote:WOW how did no-one know this? Vague sidenote: anyone know how to change whose hotkeys you use in a replay? I've never been able to figure it out I'm pretty sure you get a player's hotkeys according your player slot. If you are in slot 1 you will get the keys of the player who had slot 1 in the game. For example, on Desti there are only 2 slots and if you host a replay and a friend joins, you will usually fill the top two slots (the two the original players filled) and you have there keys. Occasionally you won't get any hotkeys no matter what... not sure why...
Do you know how to change the slot you are into before starting the replay?
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Probably not by coincidence, I heard about the replay commands today from a friend.
Wtf, why wasn't this in the tutorial?
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what was this thread about?? NVM... thanks for sharing this commandas, never hear about them before and I read A LOT about SC.
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How did the first person discover this if there was no documentation about it whatsoever? 0_o
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On September 30 2009 08:42 General Nuke Em wrote:
How did the first person discover this if there was no documentation about it whatsoever? 0_o
Hacking perhaps? Or maybe he just really wanted to find out why you can type in replays?
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haha syymetry i bet you feel like the king now
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I am now using "/replay show resources", constantly.
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On September 29 2009 17:41 Infenwe wrote:
And while I'm dreaming, support for watching old version replays would be nice too. Like if the game logic was built as a library rather than into one monolithic executable.
Pretty sure this is in.
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On September 30 2009 08:51 cakemanofdoom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2009 08:42 General Nuke Em wrote:
How did the first person discover this if there was no documentation about it whatsoever? 0_o Hacking perhaps? Or maybe he just really wanted to find out why you can type in replays?
Heinermann has documented large portions of the game's data. He probably found the commands among the code somewhere. He's also the person who found EUDs and stuff.
On September 30 2009 13:04 0mgVitaminE wrote:
haha syymetry i bet you feel like the king now
:D
But not really, I wasn't the one who found them 
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Someone tested the commands with 1.09 and they worked.
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On September 30 2009 22:01 emikochan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2009 17:41 Infenwe wrote:
And while I'm dreaming, support for watching old version replays would be nice too. Like if the game logic was built as a library rather than into one monolithic executable. Pretty sure this is in.
There is some software that allows you to choose the version of SC:BW you wanna run, very useful when you wanna watch old reps.
The fact we just know about these commands is even more astonishing than a guy using markers to finger his gf O_O
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Can we ask blizzard and see if we get a response as to why these kinda things were never documented? -_-
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I was wondering about that... is it really still fingering if you're using markers?
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On September 27 2009 20:23 Symmetry wrote:Interestingly enough, there are a number of hidden replay commands that can show leaderboards for different things. Most of them are useless, but you can use it to easily see both player's resource counts at the same time. The commands: + Show Spoiler + /replay show kills -- Shows the number of kills.
/replay show razings -- Shows the number of razings.
/replay show slaughter -- Shows the slaughter leaderboard.
/replay show resources -- Shows the resources.
/replay show minerals -- Shows the minerals.
/replay show gas -- Shows the gas.
/replay show score -- Shows the total score.
/replay show score units -- Shows the units score.
/replay show score buildings -- Shows the buildings score.
/replay show score kills -- Shows the kills score.
/replay show score razings -- Shows the razings score.
/replay show score user -- Shows the custom score.
/replay hide -- Hides the leaderboard. I don't know how many people know about this, but Heinermann posted them over at SEN and I had no idea.
POST OF THE YEAR!
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On September 27 2009 20:23 Symmetry wrote:Interestingly enough, there are a number of hidden replay commands that can show leaderboards for different things. Most of them are useless, but you can use it to easily see both player's resource counts at the same time. The commands: + Show Spoiler + /replay show kills -- Shows the number of kills.
/replay show razings -- Shows the number of razings.
/replay show slaughter -- Shows the slaughter leaderboard.
/replay show resources -- Shows the resources.
/replay show minerals -- Shows the minerals.
/replay show gas -- Shows the gas.
/replay show score -- Shows the total score.
/replay show score units -- Shows the units score.
/replay show score buildings -- Shows the buildings score.
/replay show score kills -- Shows the kills score.
/replay show score razings -- Shows the razings score.
/replay show score user -- Shows the custom score.
/replay hide -- Hides the leaderboard. I don't know how many people know about this, but Heinermann posted them over at SEN and I had no idea.
Omfg, wow holy fuck. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has this always been in the game?
Best thread derail in the history of TL. Thread title change plz.
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Very cool stuff! Never knew the commands were avliable in replays.
Never knew about hotkeys either, thats cool!
Always knew the F keys work in replays but all this stuff will help me watch my replays alot better!
Thanks guys!
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