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[Story Spoilers!] Origins of Zerg

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decemberscalm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1353 Posts
March 14 2013 04:11 GMT
#1
I have to say I absolutely enjoyed the Heart of the Swarm campaign. The entire time, I constantly thought: well this is cool. It did bring up some questions which I will ask in the spoilers.



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Did the origins of Zerg get retconned? I ask this after playing through the primal zerg missions.

1. Primal Zerg strains contain strains assimilated from the swarm not on Zerus.
My primary example will be the Zergling, who according to lore came from the Dune Runners of Zz'Gash. The swarm assimilated this creature close to the Koprulu sector, so it seems highly unlikely primal zerg would contain such a strand.
Abathur seemed to think the primal zerg stole designs from the swarm. This could be a possible answer. With broods going feral and leaders going separate ways a section of the swarm could have landed on Zerus, feeding the strain to the Primal.
A counter argument against this is that lifeforms constantly change on Zerus. Strains don't make sense in terms of Primal Zerg as presented by HotS. It would only make sense if Primal Zerg reflected SC1's description of pre-overmind Zerg.

2. The original description of Zerus is an ashy, volatile, and volcanic world. We find Zerus as a lush, jungle planet. The first Zerg were parasitic organisms that infested and took over creatures. Pre-overmind they sought only to assimilate host creatures that would advance their evolution. The behavior of primal Zerg in hots reflects a more queen of blades approach: adsorbing all biomass. Primal Zerg apparently just eat creatures and grow stronger. I completely "wut" when I was playing through dinosaur Zerg world.



All this being said, I don't actually care if anything was retconned, in fact I expected it. This is Blizz after all, but I bring this discussion because I am a big lore nerd. It was certainly a fun campaign though

What do you guys think? Am I missing something here?
naastyOne
Profile Joined April 2012
491 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 04:34:29
March 14 2013 04:32 GMT
#2
Well, Overmind doesn`t nececerely tells truth, you know. So, if the descriptions are based on th Overmind, it does mean they could be altered, i mean, the entire controll thrugh the microorganims could be a feature introduced by bad xel-naga.

The fact that Primals know about the fallen one, and changes to the swarm, indicates that there was some, not nececerely frindly iteraction between the swarm and primals.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 14 2013 04:40 GMT
#3
You're not missing anything. It was retconned.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 14 2013 04:42 GMT
#4
the most bullshit thing i found is kerrigan could fly...... like REALLY? SHE COULD FUCKING FLY! It would make everything so fucking easier
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decemberscalm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1353 Posts
March 14 2013 04:45 GMT
#5
On March 14 2013 13:42 NB wrote:
the most bullshit thing i found is kerrigan could fly...... like REALLY? SHE COULD FUCKING FLY! It would make everything so fucking easier

I laughed so hard at the moment. Thought, am I on something man, because this is getting silly.

Leviathan has tractor beams man.
Freeborn
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany421 Posts
March 14 2013 04:59 GMT
#6
1.Actually if you talk to Abathur on Zerus he will mention how pissed he is that the primal zerg already adapted the swarms hydralisk design and how quickly they did it.
So that explains all the primal variants of swarm units.

2.The next point is that young planets are usually volcanic and ashen but they can develop quickly into lush worlds when the atmosphere cools down, as happened to Earth as well. Though that would probably take a long time.

That is also it a bit countered by the fact that the ancient primal zerg was supposed to have lived when Amon took the zerg.

And the thing about zergs being parasitic - I am not sure how that fits in with the whole evolution idea. Does the parasite change host DNA? or does it switch hosts and change it's own dna?

Eating something seems like a valid way to obtain DNA. Although in general I got the feel that most of that stuff was not very well thought out. I also found the various primal zerg talking in their different animal growls a bit silly.

The primal zerg should have been unable to talk with only the ancient one being different due to his advanced state of evolution.
Story wise and also in terms of presentation and believability Zerus was the weakest part of the campaign.
The missions themselves were a lot of fun though.
6BiT
Profile Joined December 2011
513 Posts
March 14 2013 05:06 GMT
#7
I completely "wut"


This

Originally we were told Zerus was an ash world, but come HotS its a giant jurassic park lol
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grindl
Profile Joined December 2010
United States6 Posts
March 14 2013 06:01 GMT
#8
Retconned is putting it mildly. It's like they took the entire Zerg backstory, said "huh, these names are cool", and trashed the rest.
Skarjak
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada17 Posts
March 14 2013 06:34 GMT
#9
Agree, they completely retconned the entire Zerg race. Pretty indicative of the ability of Blizzard's story team...

Basically, take your SC1 manual and put in the shredder, it doesn't mean anything anymore. Certainly the entire Zerg section has been rewritten. If at least they had been rewritten into something interesting, but instead we end up with the Zerg being "noble savages" who were corrupted by "an ancient evil". Hard to get more generic than that.

Basically the Zerg are orcs.
decemberscalm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 06:42:07
March 14 2013 06:41 GMT
#10
On March 14 2013 13:59 Freeborn wrote:
1.Actually if you talk to Abathur on Zerus he will mention how pissed he is that the primal zerg already adapted the swarms hydralisk design and how quickly they did it.
So that explains all the primal variants of swarm units.

2.The next point is that young planets are usually volcanic and ashen but they can develop quickly into lush worlds when the atmosphere cools down, as happened to Earth as well. Though that would probably take a long time.

That is also it a bit countered by the fact that the ancient primal zerg was supposed to have lived when Amon took the zerg.

And the thing about zergs being parasitic - I am not sure how that fits in with the whole evolution idea. Does the parasite change host DNA? or does it switch hosts and change it's own dna?

Eating something seems like a valid way to obtain DNA. Although in general I got the feel that most of that stuff was not very well thought out. I also found the various primal zerg talking in their different animal growls a bit silly.

The primal zerg should have been unable to talk with only the ancient one being different due to his advanced state of evolution.
Story wise and also in terms of presentation and believability Zerus was the weakest part of the campaign.
The missions themselves were a lot of fun though.

1. The primal zerg didn't seem like they actually assimilated strains or anything like that. Each individual would eat essence to evolve itself, or at least that is how it seemed to be presented. This weird representation of just tons of animals eating whatever they can to absorb it's essence contradicts pre-overmind zerg: assimilate only what will move them towards perfection. They did have weird hatcheries that were basically big mobile zerg, and some sort of tribes like organization. If the Primal Zerg are organized enough from Tribes, I don't see why they haven't gone off world. Overlords were present since the overmind took the swarm off Zerus. Too much interfighting and inner strife perhaps.

2. From the manual : "The Zerg left the lifeless, burning world of Zerus and laid waste to every planet they found along their path towards the Protoss Homeworld." It is possible. It would have to be billions of years ago when the Zerg left. The milky way is absolutely massive though, and the Zerg might not have found faster means of transportation yet.
Keep in mind that the aeon of strife ended relatively recently, at 500 BCE. Seems unlikely, but at least tangible.


The manual gives a pretty nice idea how the Zerg evolved
http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/misc/StarCraft.PDF






On March 14 2013 15:34 Skarjak wrote:
Agree, they completely retconned the entire Zerg race. Pretty indicative of the ability of Blizzard's story team...

Basically, take your SC1 manual and put in the shredder, it doesn't mean anything anymore. Certainly the entire Zerg section has been rewritten. If at least they had been rewritten into something interesting, but instead we end up with the Zerg being "noble savages" who were corrupted by "an ancient evil". Hard to get more generic than that.

Basically the Zerg are orcs.


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chaosfreak11
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore367 Posts
March 14 2013 08:27 GMT
#11
On March 14 2013 14:06 6BiT wrote:
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I completely "wut"


This

Originally we were told Zerus was an ash world, but come HotS its a giant jurassic park lol


It has been a long time since Zerus was an ash world. The climate changed and it became a fertile land.
Fen1kz
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation216 Posts
March 14 2013 08:33 GMT
#12
Dont take it seriously
sc1 had its own scenario
sc2 is just like wc3
Zergs/Orcs had left their crushing world Zerus/Draenor, led by Amon/Archimonde with help from Narud/Mannoroth, with curse of Overmind/Demon Blood, and suddenly one zerg/orc named Sarah/Thrall free them from this possession
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
March 14 2013 12:08 GMT
#13
By now it's easier just listing things in the SC universe that WASN'T retconned in SC2, than listing things that was.
Psychlone
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada90 Posts
March 14 2013 12:51 GMT
#14
In the SC1 manual, it says the primal Zerg were closer to the Larvae: some kind of wormlike/leechlike parasitical creature that latched on another creature to take it over and absorb the DNA.

It's not necessarily completely retconned, if the Primal zerg still come from Larvae. The Jurassic Park theme feels a bit silly though.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 13:02:31
March 14 2013 13:01 GMT
#15
On March 14 2013 17:27 chaosfreak11 wrote:
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On March 14 2013 14:06 6BiT wrote:
I completely "wut"


This

Originally we were told Zerus was an ash world, but come HotS its a giant jurassic park lol


It has been a long time since Zerus was an ash world. The climate changed and it became a fertile land.


This, if anything I see Xerus as being like Earth in the fact since the Overmind was such an old creature (he knew of Amon so he must have lived a very, very long time) I imagine that he left Xerus after evolving early when the planet was still lifeless and due to not being able to use warp technology until the first Starcraft game, in the time it took them to push towards the Korpulu sector could have been millions of years. There's never been any date given as to when the zergs evolved and there's a large chance that the primordial swamp where you get the swarm hosts is actually where the Overmind initially spawned from.

That ooze could have been on the planet well before the swamp and jungle started to grow. Also with the primal zerg being like larva, don't forget they've been in a constant state of battle for survival for centuries so they've evolved to take their own forms, much like the swarm did (but differently)
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monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
March 14 2013 13:09 GMT
#16
What did people think of the final zerus mission fact it was almost a clone of a diablo boss fight?
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
March 14 2013 13:37 GMT
#17
Nothing is retconned wtf.

In the mission where you go to the spawning pool the ancient one shows that the original zerg was a larva, you can see it if you watch closely. The primals adapting everything is what also surprises Abathur as they ninja the hydralisk immediately.

Zerus being a jungle is because the climate changed over time(thousands of years i think).
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 14 2013 13:44 GMT
#18
On March 14 2013 22:09 monkh wrote:
What did people think of the final zerus mission fact it was almost a clone of a diablo boss fight?

Nothing special, it was more like "again?" feeling, it wasn't really copy of Diablo 3 boss, since that Boss isn't invented for the first time in Diablo 3 anyway, it happened a lot in the past, seen bosses like that in WoW mostly, even before the Diablo 3. It is getting generic, but I liked 3 bosses before that(that also were a lot like bosses from WoW or any game from that genre).
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mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 15:55:20
March 14 2013 15:51 GMT
#19
On March 14 2013 22:09 monkh wrote:
What did people think of the final zerus mission fact it was almost a clone of a diablo boss fight?


I thought it was kinda cool to have them all clones of d3 boss fights

the first leader who shot fire in a straight line = diablo
the second leader where you are stuck in room and he runs around ramming into walls = the butcher
the third leader who pops all those banelings = azmodan
the last one with the tentacles coming down = belial

Sorry for not remembering the names of the leaders :p

ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
March 14 2013 16:20 GMT
#20
On March 14 2013 13:45 decemberscalm wrote:
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On March 14 2013 13:42 NB wrote:
the most bullshit thing i found is kerrigan could fly...... like REALLY? SHE COULD FUCKING FLY! It would make everything so fucking easier

I laughed so hard at the moment. Thought, am I on something man, because this is getting silly.

Leviathan has tractor beams man.


To be fair, EVERY zerg on the planet was being shuttled back to the leviathan somehow. And you know what, she is the most powerful zerg so who knows, maybe she can float less so than fly. That or leviathans can pull things with super psionic tractor beams like you said,
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
March 14 2013 16:27 GMT
#21
On March 14 2013 13:42 NB wrote:
the most bullshit thing i found is kerrigan could fly...... like REALLY? SHE COULD FUCKING FLY! It would make everything so fucking easier


hmm one of the most powerful being in the universe could fly doesn't surprise me at all. Judging by how powerful she is it's easier to think about what she can't do than what she can.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 16:32:04
March 14 2013 16:28 GMT
#22
On March 14 2013 22:37 Andr3 wrote:
Nothing is retconned wtf.

In the mission where you go to the spawning pool the ancient one shows that the original zerg was a larva, you can see it if you watch closely. The primals adapting everything is what also surprises Abathur as they ninja the hydralisk immediately.

Zerus being a jungle is because the climate changed over time(thousands of years i think).


It's funny how they ninja basically all the zerg forms in the first mission the instant you land without anything even dying yet. I give credit to Blizzard for trying to explain it but it's still iffy storytelling.

Blizzard didn't even attempt to explain how Zerus came to life again. You don't just burn the entire surface of a world and have it magically come back to life even over a BILLION years. The primals could have been hidden, yes, but what about the bloody plants and everything else that formed the base of the ecosystem that couldn't run away? Even then you're still changing the lore that all life on Zerus was utterly destroyed. You can say that the overmind lied (though Blizzard didn't) but a retcon by any other name is still a retcon.

On March 14 2013 22:37 Andr3 wrote:
Nothing is retconned wtf.

In the mission where you go to the spawning pool the ancient one shows that the original zerg was a larva, you can see it if you watch closely. The primals adapting everything is what also surprises Abathur as they ninja the hydralisk immediately.

Zerus being a jungle is because the climate changed over time(thousands of years i think).


Merely putting a larva on display doesn't mean anything at all. The original larva was a parasitic organism that burrowed into hosts, it only became more dominant and diverse when the Xel'Naga super-accelerated its evolution to make it the dominant life form. And this only raises more questions... if the Xel'Naga had "missed" some zerg larva how did the parasites manage to survive without any life forms on the planet? And if the Xel'Naga didn't miss any how and why did Amon miss incorporating them into his swarm?

And this is all aside from a larger point: even if this isn't a retcon HotS does a TERRIBLE job explaining what the crap happened. The story of the zerg origins and HotS aren't supposed to need to be explained by the fans assembling a lore jigsaw puzzle or a bunch of outside novels that most players never read. That's just bad storytelling. The fact that this topic is even debatable shows that even in the case that HotS is consistent with SC1 it did not communicate the story well at all.

On March 15 2013 01:27 Wildmoon wrote:
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On March 14 2013 13:42 NB wrote:
the most bullshit thing i found is kerrigan could fly...... like REALLY? SHE COULD FUCKING FLY! It would make everything so fucking easier


hmm one of the most powerful being in the universe could fly doesn't surprise me at all. Judging by how powerful she is it's easier to think about what she can't do than what she can.


It surprised me because she's NEVER FLOWN BEFORE even in cinematics where it would have been useful. I was seriously waiting to see the mutalisk carrying her off sky-hook style for about 10 seconds before they finally panned the camera high enough so that I could see it wasn't there. Besides psionic powers have never been equal to flight before... even archons can only hover.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 14 2013 17:58 GMT
#23
I would imagine the flight is an ability she gained after empowering her stregnth in the crysallis and also taking the ancient zergs essence.
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willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
March 14 2013 18:11 GMT
#24
She actually gained the ability to fly once she absorbed Mengsk's face-essence. It will be ret-conned to this during the LotV story because she needed the ability to fly to fight Amon and Mengsk was hoarding this essence! ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
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Warpish
Profile Joined June 2011
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 18:34:03
March 14 2013 18:33 GMT
#25
On March 15 2013 03:11 willoc wrote:
She actually gained the ability to fly once she absorbed Mengsk's face-essence. It will be ret-conned to this during the LotV story because she needed the ability to fly to fight Amon and Mengsk was hoarding this essence! ALL PART OF THE PLAN.


LOL. Now everything makes sense. That's why she needed to kill Mengsk. Mengsk's face essence was the missing link to Kerrigan's flying evolution. Now she can fly and kamehame just like Goku. ;D

By the way did you guys noted that Kerrigan (the pinnacle of evolution) managed to evolve high heels in her feet. I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
March 14 2013 18:36 GMT
#26
On March 15 2013 03:33 Warpish wrote:
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On March 15 2013 03:11 willoc wrote:
She actually gained the ability to fly once she absorbed Mengsk's face-essence. It will be ret-conned to this during the LotV story because she needed the ability to fly to fight Amon and Mengsk was hoarding this essence! ALL PART OF THE PLAN.

By the way did you guys noted that Kerrigan (the pinnacle of evolution) managed to evolve high heels in her feet. I don't know if I should laugh or cry.


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SkaPunk
Profile Joined October 2010
United States471 Posts
March 14 2013 18:46 GMT
#27
In every thread everyone is like WTF kerrigan can fly? But I mean shes clearly telekinetic, seems like a pretty short jump from lifting everything in fights in the air to lifting herself.
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ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
March 14 2013 19:00 GMT
#28
On March 15 2013 03:46 SkaPunk wrote:
In every thread everyone is like WTF kerrigan can fly? But I mean shes clearly telekinetic, seems like a pretty short jump from lifting everything in fights in the air to lifting herself.

Yes... so she should have been flying a long bloody time.

If zerg just needs DNA, can't they evolve off of shed skin samples and hairs? Nothing needs to be killed really. Might need to eat in order to grow, but that can be anything. Also, evolution comes through breeding and mutation. As far as we know, zerg do not actually reproduce, but only make replicas out of larvae. The scene where they drop banelings into lava over and over until some learned to fly made no sense. And even if the mechanism did make sense, why didn't some evolve the ability to resist heat instead?
naastyOne
Profile Joined April 2012
491 Posts
March 14 2013 19:00 GMT
#29
So, nobody was bloody surprised by Kerrigan`s ability to lift others, like lifting valerian Mengsk into air dath-Vader style, lift siege tanks into air in WOL, and crush battlecruisers in the ground, but when she uses that same ability on itself, everyone is like "WTF????1111, how is that even possible?"
Bobgrimly
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand250 Posts
March 14 2013 19:02 GMT
#30
I think everyones problem with flight is its not sc! The amount of DBZ usage is what annoys people. SC had its own style. It wasn't DBZ. Now blizzard retcons everything and is terribly lazy for writing we have DBZ with a new style zerg that wasn't the original zerg.
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ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
March 14 2013 19:05 GMT
#31
On March 15 2013 04:00 naastyOne wrote:
So, nobody was bloody surprised by Kerrigan`s ability to lift others, like lifting valerian Mengsk into air dath-Vader style, lift siege tanks into air in WOL, and crush battlecruisers in the ground, but when she uses that same ability on itself, everyone is like "WTF????1111, how is that even possible?"

We're not puzzled she can fly, we're puzzled she suddenly started flying.
Bobgrimly
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand250 Posts
March 14 2013 19:13 GMT
#32
Starcraft lore copied from the original manual....

Spoilered for length

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The Xel’Naga were more successful with
their second venture than they could have
imagined. They labored to advance the
evolution of the most insignificant life form
on Zerus, a race of miniature insectoids known
as the Zerg. Through Xel’Naga proto-genetic
manipulations, the Zerg survived the torrential
firestorms of their world and thrived. Although
extremely small, worm-like, and possessing
no ability to manipulate their physical
surroundings, the Zerg adapted to survive.
They developed the ability to burrow into the
flesh of the less vulnerable species indigenous
to Zerus. Feeding off the nutrients contained
within the spinal fluids of their hosts, the Zerg
learned to parasitically merge with their host
creatures. Once they became capable of
controlling the metabolic and anatomical
processes of their hosts, the Zerg used their
new bodies to manipulate their surroundings.
As the Zerg incorporated more and more
host creatures into their fold, they began to
assimilate their various genetic strains and
processes. Zerg chemistry began to mutate and
adapt according to the volume of new genetic
material being processed. However, as diverse
as the range of host creatures became, there
was always the undeviating drive to consume
only the most evolutionarily advanced species
encountered. The Zerg were innately selective
as to which species they consumed, ensuring
that at every stage of their development they
STARCRAFT
Zerg History
The Grand Experiment52 Blizzard Entertainment®
were at the top of the proverbial food chain.
Any race that the Zerg came across that was
deemed unworthy of assimilation was
eradicated to further purify the strains.
The Xel’Naga soon made an alarming
discovery. The original races assimilated by the
Zerg were hardly recognizable after only a few
generations of their inception. Somehow the
Zerg had developed the ability to supercharge
and steer the latent evolutionary processes
within their host creatures. The host creatures
fell prey to the effects of gradual physical
mutations that caused all of the various strains
to grow armor piercing spines, razor-sharp
limbs, and ultra dense carapaces. Over a
surprisingly short amount of time, the strains
grew to resemble a terrifyingly ravenous and
unified race.
overmind
The Xel’Naga, remembering all too well that
their failure with the Protoss was a result of
pushing the sentience of the fledgling species
too quickly, decided to follow a different path
with the burgeoning Zerg. Attempting to
waylay the potential hazards of differing egos,
the Xel’Naga structured the collective
sentience of the Zerg into a unified,
amalgamated ‘Overmind’. The Overmind
coalesced into a semi-sentient being that
represented the primary drives and instincts
of all of the Zerg strains. As time passed, the
Overmind developed the rudiments of
personality and advanced intellect.
Although the Overmind directed the actions
of every creature within the swarm, it did so
through the use of secondary agents. The
Overmind created a new strain of Zerg that
could facilitate the communication of its
whims. These Cerebrates were massive
versions of the original Zerg insectoids and
were engineered to process and carry out the
various objectives of the Overmind. Each
Cerebrate had a unique objective, such as
‘defend the Hive’, ‘scout for potential strains’,
‘produce more warriors’, or ‘eradicate all life
forms’. The Cerebrates were then empowered
to build their own Hive clusters and carry out
their intended agendas. Over time they
developed personalities that corresponded to
their primary drives. However, the Cerebrates
were still genetically incapable of ignoring or
overriding the commands of the Overmind.
The Zerg chain of command lengthened as
new races were incorporated into the swarm.
Cerebrates began to use secondary agents to
communicate their orders as well. For the
defense and productivity of the immediate
Hive, the Cerebrates turned to Queens to
further extend their control over the swarms.
The Queens oversaw Drone activity
throughout the resource lines of the Hives and
kept a vigilant watch over the budding spore
colonies of the collective. In times of battle,
Cerebrates called upon the Overlords to
directly relay their commands to the myriad
warriors of the swarm. Overlords not only
transported Zerg warriors into the fray, but also
directed their attacks against their enemies.
Just as the Cerebrates followed the Overmind,
the Queens and Overlords were incapable of
disobeying the commands from their
Cerebrates. This rigid system of command kept
the swarms at peak, savage efficiency.
As the swarms continued to grow and
strengthen, the Overmind turned its thoughts
towards its own future. It realized that within
a few short centuries its race had assimilated
all of the indigenous life upon Zerus. It knew
that to further evolve the swarm, the Zerg
would need to leave Zerus. The Overmind
began to reach out with its senses, looking for
something - anything - which would provide
them with transport from this world. That
opportunity soon arrived. A race of
gargantuan, space-faring life forms passed
through the Zerus system, and the Overmind
called to them. Drawn to the barren world by53 Blizzard Entertainment® 53
and began to incorporate the energies of these
Crystals into its own. Through the intimate
knowledge of evolution and proto-genetic
physiology gained from the Xel’Naga, the
Overmind was able to increase the level of
sentience in many of the higher Zerg strains,
while still keeping them fully under its control.
Through dissecting the memories of the
Xel’Naga, the Overmind was made aware of
the myriad races that had at one time or
another been influenced by the ancient race.
The Xel’Naga had kept a detailed genetic
history of each race, giving the Overmind a
clear understanding of their respective
strengths and weaknesses. Most importantly,
the Overmind learned of an exceedingly
powerful race that lived near the galaxy’s fringe
known only as the Protoss. The Overmind
knew then that the Protoss and the Zerg would
eventually be caught in an inevitable,
apocalyptic conflict.
The Determinant
The Zerg left the lifeless, burning world of
Zerus and laid waste to every planet they
found along their path towards the Protoss
Homeworld. As they progressed slowly
through the trackless dark between the stars,
the Zerg assimilated only the strongest of the
races that they came across. The swarm
continued to build steadily, ever-increasing in
size and power. As they progressed, the
Overmind sent out numerous deep-space
probes that scouted ahead of the swarm,
searching for new worlds to plunder.
Despite innumerable victories, the
Overmind was greatly disturbed. The
Overmind was aware that the Protoss had
become a highly psionic race, able to bend
and warp the very fabric of reality to their
whims. It sought a way to counter the
awesome might of the Protoss, but found no
answers among the genetic strains it devoured.
this beacon, they were quickly assimilated by
the swarm. The inclusion of super-dense hides
and the ability to exist in a vacuum bolstered
the genetic pool of the swarm. Soon the Zerg
warriors were conditioned to survive the
harshness of space.
This pivotal moment in the development of
the Zerg was not lost to the Xel’Naga. The Zerg,
despite having an extreme physical handicap,
had succeeded in not only surviving, but in
retaining the purity of their terrible overriding
essence. The Xel’Naga knew that they had
achieved their goal.
The Fall of the Xel’Naga
The pride in their achievements proved to
be the fatal downfall of the Xel’Naga. The
Overmind, while slowly expanding itself into
the void of space, became aware of the mighty
Xel’Naga world-ships hovering ominously
above the skies of Zerus. The Xel’Naga, having
kept a constant watch on the Overmind, were
horrified to find that it had actually severed
their psychic link, effectively hiding itself from
their view. With its need to consume driving
its minions into a lustful frenzy, the Overmind
launched the now space-faring Zerg swarms
at the unsuspecting Xel’Naga. The ancient race
did what they could to stem the tide of the
ever-advancing Zerg onslaught, but in the end
their efforts were in vain. Wave after wave of
Zerg swarms hammered the reinforced hulls
of the Xel’Naga’s ships with no signs of
abatement. Within only a few hours the Zerg
overran the defenses of their creators and laid
waste to the Xel’Naga fleet.
As the greater whole of the Xel’Naga race
was consumed by the raging, genetic
whirlwind of the Zerg, the Overmind gained
the knowledge and insights of its masters. The
Overmind processed thousands of sentient
beings into itself, causing it to grow far more
powerful than it had ever imagined. It learned
the secrets of the sacred Khaydarin Crystals,54 Blizzard Entertainment®
On the verge of despair, the Overmind
made an amazing discovery. One of its deepspace probes had relayed the location and vital
statistics of a race that occupied a series of
nondescript worlds, right under the shadow
of the Protoss.
The new race, called Humanity, was mere
generations away from developing into a
formidable psionic power. But the Overmind
also knew that Humanity was still in its infant
stages, hardly capable of defending itself
against the ravenous Zerg. Although a shortlived and seemingly frail species, the
Overmind knew that Humanity would be the
final determinant in its victory over the Protoss.
If it could assimilate the psionic potential of
Humanity, the Overmind would have the
ability to combat the Protoss on its own terms.
Thus, the Zerg swarms slowly made their
way towards the burgeoning worlds of
Humanity. The journey lasted for sixty years,
but eventually the massive, extended Zerg
Swarm reached the outskirts of the Terran
Sector of Koprulu. Sending in a scouting
Brood, the Overmind soon discovered that the
Humans dwelt on over a dozen different
worlds within the Sector. Seeding the
atmosphere of the planet called Chau Sara
with rudimentary Hive-spores, the Overmind
began to unfold its master plan to enslave
Humanity. The Hive-spores gradually drifted
down to the surface of Chau Sara and saturated
the ground with their denuding, alien toxins.
Although the Human colonists had no idea
that the Zerg had subtly infested the topsoil of
their world, Zerg minions began to descend
to the planet’s surface and construct their
bizarre structures and Hive clusters. Once the
infestation of the colony was well underway,
the Overmind sent its voracious children to
the other nearby worlds. Insidious and elusive
in their tasks, the agents of the Overmind soon
infested the colonial worlds of Chau Sara, Mar
Sara, Brontes, and Dylar IV, unnoticed by the
denizens of those colonies.
Yet, from out of the cold void of space, a
mighty fleet of Protoss warships emerged to
combat the Zerg invasionary forces. The
Overmind, anxious to learn what it could
about the enigmatic Protoss, decided to let
them hamper the initial infestation process.
Holding its ravenous warriors at bay, the
Overmind watched as the Protoss razed the
colony of Chau Sara. Apparently, the Protoss
were aware that the Hive Spores had already
despoiled the planet and seeking to prevent
further infestation, incinerated the planet.
Such decisive action pleased the Overmind,
who could only marvel at how the Protoss
wrought absolute devastation with such grace
and power. Knowing that the coming conflict
would be the greatest challenge of its
existence, the Overmind pulled its forces back
to observe how the Protoss, and Humanity,
would react next.


The zerg were nothing more than worms and didn't even become parasitic until the xel'naga started "evolving them". So primal untouched zerg would be worms. Not essence absorbing super beings. And yes the planet should be a volcanic/incinerated wasteland. And read the bit about the overmind SEVERING its link with the xel'naga. Consuming the XEL'NAGA. Not being a pawn. RET CON CITY SC2.
For the swarm
ProbeEtPylon
Profile Joined October 2010
168 Posts
March 14 2013 19:20 GMT
#33
I have a question: The Xel'Naga created the Zerg, right? Did Amon corrupt the Zerg AFTER THAT? Maybe that's the difference between the primal Zerg and the Overmind's Zerg.
beer
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 19:34:40
March 14 2013 19:33 GMT
#34
On March 15 2013 04:20 ProbeEtPylon wrote:
I have a question: The Xel'Naga created the Zerg, right? Did Amon corrupt the Zerg AFTER THAT? Maybe that's the difference between the primal Zerg and the Overmind's Zerg.


"Primal" Zerg were primitive species and had been created by natural evolution. But Xel Naga hastened it evolution and gave them Overmind to command. Corruption had to be done, when Overmind was already complete.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
March 14 2013 19:35 GMT
#35
On March 15 2013 04:20 ProbeEtPylon wrote:
I have a question: The Xel'Naga created the Zerg, right? Did Amon corrupt the Zerg AFTER THAT? Maybe that's the difference between the primal Zerg and the Overmind's Zerg.

We saw primal zergs encompassing most of the zerg strains with weaker but still formidable strength. If by corruption you mean create the overmind, that would mean the overmind did a pretty shitty job of guiding the swarm evolution all these years. Just think, over the past few weeks you've accomplished more evolution of the zerg strains than the Overmind has its entire existence.
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
March 14 2013 19:44 GMT
#36
On March 15 2013 04:20 ProbeEtPylon wrote:
I have a question: The Xel'Naga created the Zerg, right? Did Amon corrupt the Zerg AFTER THAT? Maybe that's the difference between the primal Zerg and the Overmind's Zerg.


I think that's the underlying point to the story in WoL and HotS - that he corrupted the zerg overmind some time after its creation and before he and the XN were destroyed, so the zerg could serve as his puppets after they assimilated the protoss. But any plan that relies on you dying and coming back to life is shoddy at best imo...
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
decemberscalm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 19:51:11
March 14 2013 19:48 GMT
#37
On March 15 2013 04:13 Bobgrimly wrote:
Starcraft lore copied from the original manual....

Spoilered for length

+ Show Spoiler +
The Xel’Naga were more successful with
their second venture than they could have
imagined. They labored to advance the
evolution of the most insignificant life form
on Zerus, a race of miniature insectoids known
as the Zerg. Through Xel’Naga proto-genetic
manipulations, the Zerg survived the torrential
firestorms of their world and thrived. Although
extremely small, worm-like, and possessing
no ability to manipulate their physical
surroundings, the Zerg adapted to survive.
They developed the ability to burrow into the
flesh of the less vulnerable species indigenous
to Zerus. Feeding off the nutrients contained
within the spinal fluids of their hosts, the Zerg
learned to parasitically merge with their host
creatures. Once they became capable of
controlling the metabolic and anatomical
processes of their hosts, the Zerg used their
new bodies to manipulate their surroundings.
As the Zerg incorporated more and more
host creatures into their fold, they began to
assimilate their various genetic strains and
processes. Zerg chemistry began to mutate and
adapt according to the volume of new genetic
material being processed. However, as diverse
as the range of host creatures became, there
was always the undeviating drive to consume
only the most evolutionarily advanced species
encountered. The Zerg were innately selective
as to which species they consumed, ensuring
that at every stage of their development they
STARCRAFT
Zerg History
The Grand Experiment52 Blizzard Entertainment®
were at the top of the proverbial food chain.
Any race that the Zerg came across that was
deemed unworthy of assimilation was
eradicated to further purify the strains.
The Xel’Naga soon made an alarming
discovery. The original races assimilated by the
Zerg were hardly recognizable after only a few
generations of their inception. Somehow the
Zerg had developed the ability to supercharge
and steer the latent evolutionary processes
within their host creatures. The host creatures
fell prey to the effects of gradual physical
mutations that caused all of the various strains
to grow armor piercing spines, razor-sharp
limbs, and ultra dense carapaces. Over a
surprisingly short amount of time, the strains
grew to resemble a terrifyingly ravenous and
unified race.
overmind
The Xel’Naga, remembering all too well that
their failure with the Protoss was a result of
pushing the sentience of the fledgling species
too quickly, decided to follow a different path
with the burgeoning Zerg. Attempting to
waylay the potential hazards of differing egos,
the Xel’Naga structured the collective
sentience of the Zerg into a unified,
amalgamated ‘Overmind’. The Overmind
coalesced into a semi-sentient being that
represented the primary drives and instincts
of all of the Zerg strains. As time passed, the
Overmind developed the rudiments of
personality and advanced intellect.
Although the Overmind directed the actions
of every creature within the swarm, it did so
through the use of secondary agents. The
Overmind created a new strain of Zerg that
could facilitate the communication of its
whims. These Cerebrates were massive
versions of the original Zerg insectoids and
were engineered to process and carry out the
various objectives of the Overmind. Each
Cerebrate had a unique objective, such as
‘defend the Hive’, ‘scout for potential strains’,
‘produce more warriors’, or ‘eradicate all life
forms’. The Cerebrates were then empowered
to build their own Hive clusters and carry out
their intended agendas. Over time they
developed personalities that corresponded to
their primary drives. However, the Cerebrates
were still genetically incapable of ignoring or
overriding the commands of the Overmind.
The Zerg chain of command lengthened as
new races were incorporated into the swarm.
Cerebrates began to use secondary agents to
communicate their orders as well. For the
defense and productivity of the immediate
Hive, the Cerebrates turned to Queens to
further extend their control over the swarms.
The Queens oversaw Drone activity
throughout the resource lines of the Hives and
kept a vigilant watch over the budding spore
colonies of the collective. In times of battle,
Cerebrates called upon the Overlords to
directly relay their commands to the myriad
warriors of the swarm. Overlords not only
transported Zerg warriors into the fray, but also
directed their attacks against their enemies.
Just as the Cerebrates followed the Overmind,
the Queens and Overlords were incapable of
disobeying the commands from their
Cerebrates. This rigid system of command kept
the swarms at peak, savage efficiency.
As the swarms continued to grow and
strengthen, the Overmind turned its thoughts
towards its own future. It realized that within
a few short centuries its race had assimilated
all of the indigenous life upon Zerus. It knew
that to further evolve the swarm, the Zerg
would need to leave Zerus. The Overmind
began to reach out with its senses, looking for
something - anything - which would provide
them with transport from this world. That
opportunity soon arrived. A race of
gargantuan, space-faring life forms passed
through the Zerus system, and the Overmind
called to them. Drawn to the barren world by53 Blizzard Entertainment® 53
and began to incorporate the energies of these
Crystals into its own. Through the intimate
knowledge of evolution and proto-genetic
physiology gained from the Xel’Naga, the
Overmind was able to increase the level of
sentience in many of the higher Zerg strains,
while still keeping them fully under its control.
Through dissecting the memories of the
Xel’Naga, the Overmind was made aware of
the myriad races that had at one time or
another been influenced by the ancient race.
The Xel’Naga had kept a detailed genetic
history of each race, giving the Overmind a
clear understanding of their respective
strengths and weaknesses. Most importantly,
the Overmind learned of an exceedingly
powerful race that lived near the galaxy’s fringe
known only as the Protoss. The Overmind
knew then that the Protoss and the Zerg would
eventually be caught in an inevitable,
apocalyptic conflict.
The Determinant
The Zerg left the lifeless, burning world of
Zerus and laid waste to every planet they
found along their path towards the Protoss
Homeworld. As they progressed slowly
through the trackless dark between the stars,
the Zerg assimilated only the strongest of the
races that they came across. The swarm
continued to build steadily, ever-increasing in
size and power. As they progressed, the
Overmind sent out numerous deep-space
probes that scouted ahead of the swarm,
searching for new worlds to plunder.
Despite innumerable victories, the
Overmind was greatly disturbed. The
Overmind was aware that the Protoss had
become a highly psionic race, able to bend
and warp the very fabric of reality to their
whims. It sought a way to counter the
awesome might of the Protoss, but found no
answers among the genetic strains it devoured.
this beacon, they were quickly assimilated by
the swarm. The inclusion of super-dense hides
and the ability to exist in a vacuum bolstered
the genetic pool of the swarm. Soon the Zerg
warriors were conditioned to survive the
harshness of space.
This pivotal moment in the development of
the Zerg was not lost to the Xel’Naga. The Zerg,
despite having an extreme physical handicap,
had succeeded in not only surviving, but in
retaining the purity of their terrible overriding
essence. The Xel’Naga knew that they had
achieved their goal.
The Fall of the Xel’Naga
The pride in their achievements proved to
be the fatal downfall of the Xel’Naga. The
Overmind, while slowly expanding itself into
the void of space, became aware of the mighty
Xel’Naga world-ships hovering ominously
above the skies of Zerus. The Xel’Naga, having
kept a constant watch on the Overmind, were
horrified to find that it had actually severed
their psychic link, effectively hiding itself from
their view. With its need to consume driving
its minions into a lustful frenzy, the Overmind
launched the now space-faring Zerg swarms
at the unsuspecting Xel’Naga. The ancient race
did what they could to stem the tide of the
ever-advancing Zerg onslaught, but in the end
their efforts were in vain. Wave after wave of
Zerg swarms hammered the reinforced hulls
of the Xel’Naga’s ships with no signs of
abatement. Within only a few hours the Zerg
overran the defenses of their creators and laid
waste to the Xel’Naga fleet.
As the greater whole of the Xel’Naga race
was consumed by the raging, genetic
whirlwind of the Zerg, the Overmind gained
the knowledge and insights of its masters. The
Overmind processed thousands of sentient
beings into itself, causing it to grow far more
powerful than it had ever imagined. It learned
the secrets of the sacred Khaydarin Crystals,54 Blizzard Entertainment®
On the verge of despair, the Overmind
made an amazing discovery. One of its deepspace probes had relayed the location and vital
statistics of a race that occupied a series of
nondescript worlds, right under the shadow
of the Protoss.
The new race, called Humanity, was mere
generations away from developing into a
formidable psionic power. But the Overmind
also knew that Humanity was still in its infant
stages, hardly capable of defending itself
against the ravenous Zerg. Although a shortlived and seemingly frail species, the
Overmind knew that Humanity would be the
final determinant in its victory over the Protoss.
If it could assimilate the psionic potential of
Humanity, the Overmind would have the
ability to combat the Protoss on its own terms.
Thus, the Zerg swarms slowly made their
way towards the burgeoning worlds of
Humanity. The journey lasted for sixty years,
but eventually the massive, extended Zerg
Swarm reached the outskirts of the Terran
Sector of Koprulu. Sending in a scouting
Brood, the Overmind soon discovered that the
Humans dwelt on over a dozen different
worlds within the Sector. Seeding the
atmosphere of the planet called Chau Sara
with rudimentary Hive-spores, the Overmind
began to unfold its master plan to enslave
Humanity. The Hive-spores gradually drifted
down to the surface of Chau Sara and saturated
the ground with their denuding, alien toxins.
Although the Human colonists had no idea
that the Zerg had subtly infested the topsoil of
their world, Zerg minions began to descend
to the planet’s surface and construct their
bizarre structures and Hive clusters. Once the
infestation of the colony was well underway,
the Overmind sent its voracious children to
the other nearby worlds. Insidious and elusive
in their tasks, the agents of the Overmind soon
infested the colonial worlds of Chau Sara, Mar
Sara, Brontes, and Dylar IV, unnoticed by the
denizens of those colonies.
Yet, from out of the cold void of space, a
mighty fleet of Protoss warships emerged to
combat the Zerg invasionary forces. The
Overmind, anxious to learn what it could
about the enigmatic Protoss, decided to let
them hamper the initial infestation process.
Holding its ravenous warriors at bay, the
Overmind watched as the Protoss razed the
colony of Chau Sara. Apparently, the Protoss
were aware that the Hive Spores had already
despoiled the planet and seeking to prevent
further infestation, incinerated the planet.
Such decisive action pleased the Overmind,
who could only marvel at how the Protoss
wrought absolute devastation with such grace
and power. Knowing that the coming conflict
would be the greatest challenge of its
existence, the Overmind pulled its forces back
to observe how the Protoss, and Humanity,
would react next.


The zerg were nothing more than worms and didn't even become parasitic until the xel'naga started "evolving them". So primal untouched zerg would be worms. Not essence absorbing super beings. And yes the planet should be a volcanic/incinerated wasteland. And read the bit about the overmind SEVERING its link with the xel'naga. Consuming the XEL'NAGA. Not being a pawn. RET CON CITY SC2.


Primal Zerg wouldn't be worms. Primal Zerg would be the creatures leftover AFTER the xel naga toyed with that race. Zerg as a whole changed. This would be when the Overmind left Zerus. Any residual Zerg, perhaps by random chance missing the psionic link were not ordered by the Overmind to exodus, and therefore left on the planet Zerus. They should still be able to infest and assimilate creatures.

This is my main problem, how the Primal Zerg are represented.

Primal Zerg would have to be remnants of Zerg, not taken by the Overmind off planet. Considering these creatures have already been tampered with by the xel naga, they should still be a race that assimilates hosts into their fold, (only towards perfection). Primal Zerg stealing zergling, hydra, muta, and gaurdian designs fits this lore.
What doesn't fit is this sort of weird tribes like Zerg that just goes around eating other animals for their essence. It could have been billions of years and the Zerg could have changed to this over time, but it seems implausible. Primal Zerg Overmind style would have easily crushed the Primal Zerg who were indiscriminate about how they gained evolution.
Infestation and assimilation vs eating creatures for essence. Seems like a completely different beast.



@Zerg Flying

I literally meant it when I said Leviathans have tractor beams. That seems to be the only reasonable explanation. It was absolutely hilarious, but still plausible considering they have a form of warp drive too. I still died laughing .



@Zerus
We do not have a time frame for when the overmind left Zerus and how long it too the swarm to reach the Kropulu sector. For the ash world to turn into a lush jungle jurassic park world it requires billlions and billions of years. Not simply millions. I wonder how long it takes overlords to travel through space. It might have been incredibly slow. The overmind might also have been taking its time, to evolve a stronger swarm before they encountered the Protoss.
This transformation is possible.
decemberscalm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1353 Posts
March 14 2013 19:54 GMT
#38
On March 15 2013 04:20 ProbeEtPylon wrote:
I have a question: The Xel'Naga created the Zerg, right? Did Amon corrupt the Zerg AFTER THAT? Maybe that's the difference between the primal Zerg and the Overmind's Zerg.

Primary difference would be the command structure. Xel Naga gave the Zerg the overmind to avoid another aeon of strife and internal fighting that destroyed the Protoss.

Any Zerg that went missed, or randomly mutated a lack of psionic link would be without a command structure, leading to a more individualistic Zerg.
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
March 14 2013 19:54 GMT
#39
To keep this going remember these events in this chronological order:
1) Zerg appear on Zerus in their first form. Overmind maybe existed already or came to be from the parasites.
2) Xel'Naga discover the zerg.
3) Xel'Naga tamper with the zerg.
4) Zerg kill the Xel'Naga mothership. All Xel'Naga are presumed dead at this point.
5) Zerg travel to other planets due to technology/evolution taken from Xel'Naga ship.

Now, where would what Amon did to the zerg fit in? I'm thinking in between 3 and 4. It could also be that #3 was all and only Amon's doing. I would guess that Amon actually tampered with the zerg with the intention of killing off the remaining Xel'Naga.
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