Levels and rewards

On February 23 2013 04:02 crashpoint wrote:
how can i get the skins there happens nothing when i go with the mouse abovee the pic

On February 23 2013 05:17 phodacbiet wrote:
So how is this leveling system different from the wol system where u get portraits for x wins? I guess you do get exp for losing but its not much so i dont see much difference, maybe save 10-20 games for max level i guess.

On February 23 2013 06:06 Penguinator wrote:
The difference with the leveling system in HotS is that you get experience based on resources mined, united killed, etc., meaning that you will also gain experience from losing games, just not as much. This is to deter people from farming portraits by cheesing every single game, as the amount of wins is no longer a factor. For example: let's say you 6 pooled 5 games in a row, and each game lasts 6 minutes. You would probably gain the same amount of experience from playing a 30 minute long macro game.

On February 23 2013 05:17 Noizhende wrote:
no portraits for random?

On February 23 2013 05:55 MockHamill wrote:
So does the number of xp for each level differ compared to the beta version? In beta you max out on levels very fast.

What the heck is #8 Terran?

SoK decal as last terran decal is kind of bleh :S The other races get two completely new decals and terran's is like a reused one.

On February 23 2013 06:40 shid0x wrote:
disappointed with lvl 29 terran,i mean come on...

On February 23 2013 06:33 Existor wrote:

Hellbat


Reused? I think it's a completely new decal

On February 23 2013 08:02 GinDo wrote:
I wonder, Do you have to play WOL to unlock the old portraits. Or can we continue in HOTS. Especially considering that each are won in different ways. WOL by how many wins, and HOTs by EXP.

On February 23 2013 08:02 GinDo wrote:
I wonder, Do you have to play WOL to unlock the old portraits. Or can we continue in HOTS. Especially considering that each are won in different ways. WOL by how many wins, and HOTs by EXP.

On February 23 2013 06:19 Louis8k8 wrote:

No love for the likes of us ;_;

What the heck is #8 Terran?

My favorite tier is the supply unit models for all 3 races.

SoK decal as last terran decal is kind of bleh :S The other races get two completely new decals and terran's is like a reused one.

On February 23 2013 08:32 Nerevar wrote:
So assuming that we get about 50,000 per game (assuming macro games), this means that it would take about 95 games to max out on a race. Assuming that these games are 20 minutes each, this would mean about 32 hours to max out per race, which would make maxing out on all races take at least 95 hours.

However, there are a lot of unrealistic assumptions with these calculations, such as not factoring in cheese games, waiting, and other anomalies. Nevertheless, providing incentives for at least 95 hours of gameplay, regardless of wins or losses, seems like a good move.

On February 23 2013 08:37 Beakyboo wrote:


The experience per level in beta won't necessarily be the same as at release, or at least I'd hope it's not. I'd find it really strange if you can get the top tier portrait in HotS in 100 games when the WoL ones required 1000 wins.

On February 23 2013 08:56 Existor wrote:

Agree, they're over-nerfed that progression and hardness for newer players. They should increase amount of experience by 2x or 4x times more than now.

If you're agree, support this thread please
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7978988097

On February 23 2013 10:35 Infernal_dream wrote:


Uh, what he's saying is that you're going to get "end game" rewards much sooner than 1000 games. What you're saying is we need even more xp, which would reduce that number even more. Honestly, they should nerf the xp. It only taking probably a max of 300 games to get the equivalent of the 1k win portraits is pretty dumb.

On February 23 2013 21:47 SoleSteeler wrote:
So do you still get the WoL portraits for wins too?

On March 02 2013 17:53 Siggeh wrote:
Oh really wanted the new queen model T_T
Still a lot of awesomeness tho : D

On February 23 2013 06:06 Penguinator wrote:
The difference with the leveling system in HotS is that you get experience based on resources mined, united killed, etc., meaning that you will also gain experience from losing games, just not as much. This is to deter people from farming portraits by cheesing every single game, as the amount of wins is no longer a factor. For example: let's say you 6 pooled 5 games in a row, and each game lasts 6 minutes. You would probably gain the same amount of experience from playing a 30 minute long macro game.

On March 02 2013 23:01 Zelniq wrote:
Dancing is a weird reward.. Who really uses dances in real games except to act like an ass to their opponent. It would be better if after your opponent leaves the game, your units automatically dance or something. Or perhaps if your units are idle for long enough, they randomly start dancing heh. Of course they'd have to fix it so the dancing wouldn't interfere with their responsiveness when action is needed.

On February 23 2013 08:46 tg4u wrote:
Dancing colosus ! i must see that

On March 08 2013 12:12 Defacer wrote:

A much stronger loop would be to turn XP into currency, and allow players to trade in XP for minerals/gas at the start of the next game, unlock access to maps, or earn new units or hero characters that you can use in 1v1 or team games. It could exist on a separate ladder, or what I like to call my Imaginary Wood League.

On March 02 2013 23:01 Zelniq wrote:
Dancing is a weird reward.. Who really uses dances in real games except to act like an ass to their opponent. It would be better if after your opponent leaves the game, your units automatically dance or something. Or perhaps if your units are idle for long enough, they randomly start dancing heh. Of course they'd have to fix it so the dancing wouldn't interfere with their responsiveness when action is needed.

On March 08 2013 12:22 Disengaged wrote:


I'm sorry but that is pretty stupid.

On March 08 2013 12:25 Defacer wrote:
If you knew anything about game development, you would know that it's not. It basically a way of turning the SC2 ladder experience into something closer to WoW, improving the stickiness of the product and given new users reason to continue to playing the game.

Most people aren't even capable of playing at a Diamond level, and never will no matter how hard they try. Ask yourself, how do you keep those players interested and addicted to the game for the next five years?

On March 08 2013 12:25 Defacer wrote:


If you knew anything about game development, you would know that it's not. It basically a way of turning the SC2 ladder experience into something closer to WoW, improving the stickiness of the product and given new users reason to continue to playing the game.

Most people aren't even capable of playing at a Diamond level, and never will no matter how hard they try. Ask yourself, how do you keep those players interested and addicted to the game for the next five years?

On March 08 2013 12:41 Proof. wrote:

Couldn't something similar to that be implemented through a custom map?

On March 08 2013 12:40 BigRedDog wrote:
Exactly. The idea is to give you some sort of reward if you keep playing. That's the same idea why games like mafia or farmville are so popular. They are nothing but just numbers moving around. They make you do something every now and then and give you reward every now and then. Just like how slot machine works.

Though I want to say I will never sit for hours to grind game after game after game to get these award. Then again, I did that for a few times at WOL LOL.

We like achievements. Even if it ain't just about improving skills or climbing the ladder or winning. We still enjoy the feeling when we get something for it.

These awards means nothing anyways.....it doesn't make me play better or make my race stronger....it is all look and feel.

Remind me of what Napoleon said...A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.

On March 08 2013 12:25 Defacer wrote:


If you knew anything about game development, you would know that it's not. It basically a way of turning the SC2 ladder experience into something closer to WoW, improving the stickiness of the product and given new users reason to continue to playing the game.

Most people aren't even capable of playing at a Diamond level, and never will no matter how hard they try. Ask yourself, how do you keep those players interested and addicted to the game for the next five years?

On March 08 2013 12:55 Disengaged wrote:


Exchanging XP for currency and then turning in said currency in for more minerals and gas at the start of a match would ruin the game because people who play the game for hours and hours on end would have a clear advantage over those who don't.

If Blizzard should do something then it cannot affect the game/gameplay. Look at LoL. The things that they have and release is purely cosmetic unless you want to count hero's and it doesn't affect the gameplay.

Portraits, new skins, dances, etc, is more then enough to keep people interested. The problem that arises is that if Blizzard doesn't keep adding new skins, dances, portraits, then yes people can lose interest. Now, I can see exchanging xp for currency to get new skins work. Anything that affects the gameplay cannot.

On March 08 2013 13:01 Defacer wrote:


Trading XP for minerals is fucking broken. That's the point.

Think about it: the current ladder is really good at measuring and rewarding merit. The best players rise up the ladder and win.

But the current ladder is HORRIBLE at rewarding participation. It's absolutely radioactive to new or young players, or even average gamers that want to play for funsies.

I would never introduce a currency for The Pro Ladder, but for a separate ladder? Why not? If a poor noob loses six or seven games in a row, give him the power to trade in his crappy experience for a free win.

On March 08 2013 13:01 Defacer wrote:


Trading XP for minerals is fucking broken. That's the point.

Think about it: the current ladder is really good at measuring and rewarding merit. The best players rise up the ladder and win.

But the current ladder is HORRIBLE at rewarding participation. It's absolutely radioactive to new or young players, or even average gamers that want to play for funsies.

I would never introduce a currency for The Pro Ladder, but for a separate ladder? Why not? If a poor noob loses six or seven games in a row, give him the power to trade in his crappy experience for a free win.

On March 08 2013 15:58 Infernal_dream wrote:


So you want to give the carebears something? At the cost of players who are actually trying to become better? Sorry, that's a retarded idea. You should never give something that gives a statistical advantage in an RTS game. I could just lose a billion games in a row and then get extra minerals at the start of my next 50 games and 6 pool instantaneously and reach masters league. Obviously exaggerated but it displays how broken your idea is. You shouldn't be rewarded for losing. That's purpose defeating. It removes the goal all together.

On March 08 2013 12:22 Defacer wrote:


It's exactly this attitude that is holding the game back from expanding it's audience and being more fun (and profitable)!

Zelniq is absolutely right — from a pro perspective. Zelniq is literally in the 97-98th percentile of players that sees no value and has no need for dances.

Now, for the millions and millions of potential customers that just might not become a grandmasters, masters, or even a diamond league players, dancing is a cool add-on feature. Hell, customers might even be willing to pay extra for cool and unique animations.