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Cajunman's Burrow Roach Push ZvX - Page 2

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Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
January 18 2013 22:26 GMT
#21
Any protoss who does a forge FE you can try to proxy a hatchery in their base. Even if only 1 larva is spawned from the hatchery it means they have to deal with a burrow roach with no stalkers for a long time. Or they pull 4 or more probes early on to deal with a proxy hatch. Or they build cannons and you can just break the front. I had a lot of fun with this.
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Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 23:21:15
January 18 2013 23:19 GMT
#22
On January 19 2013 05:22 baldgye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 05:08 CajunMan wrote:
On January 19 2013 04:50 baldgye wrote:

but I just don't really see how this is any better than a standard roach rush, other than being more annoying...



That's the idea.

It's more annoying because it can be more cost effective and lasts longer both of which buy you time at home to take your third, Drone, and/or tech regular roach rushes can be shutdown fast and hard by opponents who prepare well with this I believe even if they do burrow forces out mobile detection before they can ever think about doing anything.



yeah, but instead of just randomly burrowing your units where ever they happen to be, would be more to your advantage to burrow in the places where he'd want to wall... then you wouldn't need to tech to anything else and be able to kill him with speed lings...

Genius. if you can keep his wall open speedlings are the way to go. what I'd like to see is what happens when you get scouted and transition to a defensive footing. ie, he throws down another cannon and chronos out sentries while building up to a gateway push. are there good ways to utilize burrow for a defense while plaything from slightly behind?
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CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
January 19 2013 04:28 GMT
#23
Hey guys updated OP with more replays!!!!
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
January 19 2013 05:18 GMT
#24
Hey Cajun, props to you for coming up with this build and providing the videos. Nice to watch from a lower level zerg... I'm going to try these.

Maybe not optimal rush but who cares? The beta is all about trying new stuff right? GG
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10836 Posts
January 19 2013 05:27 GMT
#25
...Cool but this is not really something that people wouldn't be able to figure out on there own lol.

I'm sorry but I really don't like it when people do a build that probably 75% + of Zerg's are going to be doing or trying at least once by default due to burrow being at tier 1 now, and then name it after themselves for the sole purpose of trying to grab attention...Why is it whenever someone does a build that has already been done and is not even that creative, they feel the need to name it "My build" , then post there stream link.

gl hf but just because you do a build doesn't mean YOU invented it or it is YOURS, no offense but there is too many people saying a build they did before on ladder is 100% theres and created by them. gl hf gg
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CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 05:35:38
January 19 2013 05:35 GMT
#26
On January 19 2013 14:18 ElMeanYo wrote:
Hey Cajun, props to you for coming up with this build and providing the videos. Nice to watch from a lower level zerg... I'm going to try these.

Maybe not optimal rush but who cares? The beta is all about trying new stuff right? GG



Thanks man these are ment just for you if I help one person it is worth my time. I will post more later as I optimize make sure you watch todays videos too the builds worked better

On January 19 2013 14:27 GGzerG wrote:
...Cool but this is not really something that people wouldn't be able to figure out on there own lol.

I'm sorry but I really don't like it when people do a build that probably 75% + of Zerg's are going to be doing or trying at least once by default due to burrow being at tier 1 now, and then name it after themselves for the sole purpose of trying to grab attention...Why is it whenever someone does a build that has already been done and is not even that creative, they feel the need to name it "My build" , then post there stream link.

gl hf but just because you do a build doesn't mean YOU invented it or it is YOURS, no offense but there is too many people saying a build they did before on ladder is 100% theres and created by them. gl hf gg


Haters gonna hate
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
January 19 2013 09:14 GMT
#27
I really love these videos
your commentaries are easy to follow and it's fun to watch as these new strategies get developed by real talent.

Thanks for these.
moo...for DRG
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
January 19 2013 09:54 GMT
#28
Can you hide all videos to spoilers each? Hard to open this page everytime and load it again. Thank you
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
January 23 2013 05:44 GMT
#29
Hey guys few people wanted the exact build here is one of them and I will do video on it!

(taken from one of the ZvP games they change slightly with each match up very slightly)

14 Pool
16 Hatch
16 Ovi
16 Queen
20 1st Gas
2nd Queen when the first one is done!
and only 1 set of lings when ovi pops
with your first 100 Gas get burrow
@5:30 get your Roach Warren
@5:50 2nd Gas (2 in this one)
get a few more drones bout 6-7 at nat and get to bout 54 Supply total for room for roaches add 1 more if you add more drones)
8-10 roaches soon as your RW pops and move with at least 8 together.

After you start the attack I drone behind it take the rest of gases (remember to add 3rd to 2nd gas) and either go muta or expo and play from a more normal infestor style(or w/e depending on matchup)
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
January 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#30
more videos, cajunman!
I've been waiting for weeks for more burroach action!
moo...for DRG
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
January 30 2013 01:12 GMT
#31
about time for the roaches to shine abit
BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
461 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 02:39:05
January 30 2013 02:38 GMT
#32
thanks for the short videos. I am going try this build.

Big Red Dog!
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
January 30 2013 07:08 GMT
#33
On January 29 2013 06:12 neoghaleon55 wrote:
more videos, cajunman!
I've been waiting for weeks for more burroach action!



I definatly will please keep looking for them unfortunately I have been doing a lot of moving so I haven't been able too hopefully when I'm fully settled I'll be back in business.
MrSourGit
Profile Joined August 2012
England135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 12:07:54
March 13 2013 12:07 GMT
#34
I'll watch all these when I get home from work . Data allowance on my phone is running low sadly !

Towards the end of WoL I was trying a 2 base roach push with speed and +1 , I got it down pretty well , got around 12-14 roach out pretty dam quick (can't remember the time) and all the timings (+1 and speed) matched up nicely.
Now though with early burrow I did the same kinda build but with burrow instead of +1 , it won me the match (ZvT) , but I'm thinking now , burrow movement , would be better than speed maybe , could add the element of surprise and sneak up on any tanks , with a lair 1st you can also get an overseer out for widow mines , problem is keeping reapers at bay till then .... Hmmmm lol.

Fking live HoTS , so much testing to be done !
There is gonna be some seriously random shit flyin out in matches for a few months

Gogo zergs !
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TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
March 13 2013 15:45 GMT
#35
Definitely agree with you that these roach pushes are great openers, and burrow is such a nice upgrade. Your Burroach ZvT is very similar to the build I use, going to be a lot of fun to play with
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VelRa_G
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada304 Posts
March 13 2013 18:50 GMT
#36
The Burroach Obama?
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