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@ OP
You must have a lot of time in your hands =) Very nice work overall and i agree with everything but the part about the "leave League" option.
Its a thing that can help casuals to get over Ladder anxiety easily. Even myself, who plays over 10 Games each day, get really frustrated and demotivated when i´m deeply in the minus on my Win/Loss ratio and with this option i can simply reset everything.
So it does have a point and the negatives that it makes points useless to judge skill:
Isnt that the case now too?
I can think of no way to make points more meaningless then tey are now. I can easily (and did) achive 1800 points in master by simply only playing when i have bonus pool.
just my 2 cents ^^
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very well done, agree with a lot of the things that are said in here. hopefully blizz takes a good look at this because it will definitely help them show what i assume most of the community wants
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Very impressive. I do however would like to stress that the default viewing option for custom games should be a random list of "open games waiting for players", just like in WC3. Otherwise the scene dies as just the same few maps gets played over and over.
Blizzard also has to solve the issue with an people stuck on "connecting.." in a map. It means that map can never start, and every time you try to join that map, you end up with the guy stuck on connecting, so basically that map is disabled.
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Amazing post, this is how all feedback should be
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That's some quality beta testing
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Well done. They better use detailed reports like these.
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Even though Blizzard have said in interviews that they browse the forums this amazing feedback needs more spread. We don't want it overlooked.
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The HotS UI is a major improvement over that terrible, terrible 1.5 UI. But everything is relative.
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Got an additional one btw:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qzatal.jpg)
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On December 10 2012 06:16 Ero-Sennin wrote:Show nested quote +This option allows a player to leave their league. This is a very bad feature. There is no legitimate use of this feature. Players with MMR near the boundary of promotion could abuse this feature to make it easier to get promoted. If the goal is to make promotions easier, then do this by increasing the uncertainty threshold of MMR required for promotion.
If instead the goal is to make it easier to change divisions, there is no point in changing divisions. Divisions are already meaningless. Allowing division hopping would make the division rank even more meaningless for absolutely no reason at all, since players could “choose” newer and easier divisions.
Allowing people to leave their league also resets their points to 0 and refunds their entire bonus pool. So this hurts casuals who aren’t aware that using this option requires them to start from scratch.
Moreover, it makes points a worse measure of skill, because the player would have to use up their entire bonus pool again in order for points to correctly measure skill, even if the system already has an accurate MMR for players who were active enough to use up their previous bonus pool. This wouldn’t be an issue if joining a new league after leaving a league retained the player’s previous points and bonus pool, accounting for time elapsed. But then, players could abuse this as a way of hiding their stats and ladder standing by leaving their league after each game. I'd have to disagree. Now I haven't played HOTS yet so I may be wrong, but if you're right that leaving the league resets points to zero and gives back your bonus pool..... THIS IS GOOD! But I would say that it should only be able to be used once a week. Say you're in whatever league it doesn't matter, and you're concerned with your wins/losses or points, whatever, and you go on a massive losing streak. You know the kind, where sometimes people want to break their CDs and all that fun stuff. Well guess what. Rage reset, BOOM! Clean slate. Or if they have a different account they can hop on there, but instead of looking at an ugly 15 game losing streak and dropping from top 20 in their division to rank 70, they can /clearstats and start from scratch. This is a good feature to have. But how will we know who the good people are? Most pros already have a good idea through playing people and through tournament play. Judging skill based solely on ladder hasn't worked yet anywhere, so why try to force it to work now?
I'm not even sure what the OP is mumbling about wiht the leave league feature anyway. It's only something you have when you're in GrandMaster league and don't want to be there for various reasons. I'm not sure how much it is used anyway but you're just put back to Masters if you leave Grandmasters league. You don't have that button in lower leagues at all.
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O_O oh boy... how many hours did all the research and comparison procedure took?
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Very nice! Thanks for spending your time on this! I hope they will listen to (at least some of) your suggestions.
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can u post the link to the b.net forum in the op pls ?
this was a lot of work, i might not agree with everything but still with most
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On December 10 2012 07:47 Seiniyta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 06:16 Ero-Sennin wrote:This option allows a player to leave their league. This is a very bad feature. There is no legitimate use of this feature. Players with MMR near the boundary of promotion could abuse this feature to make it easier to get promoted. If the goal is to make promotions easier, then do this by increasing the uncertainty threshold of MMR required for promotion.
If instead the goal is to make it easier to change divisions, there is no point in changing divisions. Divisions are already meaningless. Allowing division hopping would make the division rank even more meaningless for absolutely no reason at all, since players could “choose” newer and easier divisions.
Allowing people to leave their league also resets their points to 0 and refunds their entire bonus pool. So this hurts casuals who aren’t aware that using this option requires them to start from scratch.
Moreover, it makes points a worse measure of skill, because the player would have to use up their entire bonus pool again in order for points to correctly measure skill, even if the system already has an accurate MMR for players who were active enough to use up their previous bonus pool. This wouldn’t be an issue if joining a new league after leaving a league retained the player’s previous points and bonus pool, accounting for time elapsed. But then, players could abuse this as a way of hiding their stats and ladder standing by leaving their league after each game. I'd have to disagree. Now I haven't played HOTS yet so I may be wrong, but if you're right that leaving the league resets points to zero and gives back your bonus pool..... THIS IS GOOD! But I would say that it should only be able to be used once a week. Say you're in whatever league it doesn't matter, and you're concerned with your wins/losses or points, whatever, and you go on a massive losing streak. You know the kind, where sometimes people want to break their CDs and all that fun stuff. Well guess what. Rage reset, BOOM! Clean slate. Or if they have a different account they can hop on there, but instead of looking at an ugly 15 game losing streak and dropping from top 20 in their division to rank 70, they can /clearstats and start from scratch. This is a good feature to have. But how will we know who the good people are? Most pros already have a good idea through playing people and through tournament play. Judging skill based solely on ladder hasn't worked yet anywhere, so why try to force it to work now? I'm not even sure what the OP is mumbling about wiht the leave league feature anyway. It's only something you have when you're in GrandMaster league and don't want to be there for various reasons. I'm not sure how much it is used anyway but you're just put back to Masters if you leave Grandmasters league. You don't have that button in lower leagues at all.
Yes, you do. It's there even if you're in Bronze league.
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On December 10 2012 08:24 Special Endrey wrote:
can u post the link to the b.net forum in the op pls ?
this was a lot of work, i might not agree with everything but still with most
It's linked in the first paragraph of the OP.
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just saw, i am blind, thx 
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On December 10 2012 08:26 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 07:47 Seiniyta wrote:On December 10 2012 06:16 Ero-Sennin wrote:This option allows a player to leave their league. This is a very bad feature. There is no legitimate use of this feature. Players with MMR near the boundary of promotion could abuse this feature to make it easier to get promoted. If the goal is to make promotions easier, then do this by increasing the uncertainty threshold of MMR required for promotion.
If instead the goal is to make it easier to change divisions, there is no point in changing divisions. Divisions are already meaningless. Allowing division hopping would make the division rank even more meaningless for absolutely no reason at all, since players could “choose” newer and easier divisions.
Allowing people to leave their league also resets their points to 0 and refunds their entire bonus pool. So this hurts casuals who aren’t aware that using this option requires them to start from scratch.
Moreover, it makes points a worse measure of skill, because the player would have to use up their entire bonus pool again in order for points to correctly measure skill, even if the system already has an accurate MMR for players who were active enough to use up their previous bonus pool. This wouldn’t be an issue if joining a new league after leaving a league retained the player’s previous points and bonus pool, accounting for time elapsed. But then, players could abuse this as a way of hiding their stats and ladder standing by leaving their league after each game. I'd have to disagree. Now I haven't played HOTS yet so I may be wrong, but if you're right that leaving the league resets points to zero and gives back your bonus pool..... THIS IS GOOD! But I would say that it should only be able to be used once a week. Say you're in whatever league it doesn't matter, and you're concerned with your wins/losses or points, whatever, and you go on a massive losing streak. You know the kind, where sometimes people want to break their CDs and all that fun stuff. Well guess what. Rage reset, BOOM! Clean slate. Or if they have a different account they can hop on there, but instead of looking at an ugly 15 game losing streak and dropping from top 20 in their division to rank 70, they can /clearstats and start from scratch. This is a good feature to have. But how will we know who the good people are? Most pros already have a good idea through playing people and through tournament play. Judging skill based solely on ladder hasn't worked yet anywhere, so why try to force it to work now? I'm not even sure what the OP is mumbling about wiht the leave league feature anyway. It's only something you have when you're in GrandMaster league and don't want to be there for various reasons. I'm not sure how much it is used anyway but you're just put back to Masters if you leave Grandmasters league. You don't have that button in lower leagues at all. Yes, you do. It's there even if you're in Bronze league.
Well, my apologies. I looked and it's indeed there. I don't see a problem it being there however.
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could not agree more with removing the joke-decals, always thought it was flashy to begin with, not it glows, and its animated. Really reminds me of ricerrockets with there altezzas
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Make sure to post on the Battle.net Forums to push the post and make sure that Blizz reads it! Awesome post btw!
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